The Germans about to pull the Rug on UK/US Empire?

[Mega]

Bit of background.
Paul craig Robberts sez that this "Trade agreement" is the US locking Europe into their collasping empire. However i note that the ECB & PBOC have just signed an agreement to swap Euro's for Yuan in trade..............Germany wants VERY much to join with Russia & China to form the New Euro-asia empire.....they want out of the Ango-saxion scum.

After the toxic CDO's sold to their banks & the non too hidden attempts to break up the Euro, who could blame Merkel. Perhaps this "bugging" is the excuse she needs, after all she just called a Euro-wide meeting to discuss America's skull-duggly.

So, all she has to do is DEMAND America takes action which America can't/won't do...........and either delay or outright KILL the "Trade agreement".

Mike

[Mega]

Re: The Germans about to pull the Rug on UK/US Empire?

Atlantic trade deal at risk from NSA bugging Angela Merkel phone

Key political leaders in Germany have warned that the Trans-Atlantic free trade pact may be in jeopardy after claims the US has been spying on Chancellor Angela Merkel’s mobile phone.

Barack Obama was reportedly furious when he learned that the NSA was spying on Angela Merkel Photo: Rex Features






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By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

6:14PM BST 24 Oct 2013

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Sigmar Gabriel, leader of Germany’s Social Democrats (SPD) and chief negotiator in coalition talks with Mrs Merkel, said it would be “hard to imagine” that the free trade deal between the EU and the US can go ahead if the American intelligence agencies are carrying out cyber-warfare against Europe.


Mrs Merkel herself appeared furious as she walked into the Justus Lipsius building in Brussels for an EU summit. “Spying among friends is not on. Trust will now have to be rebuilt,” she said.


The Trans-Atlantic pact is billed by David Cameron as the “biggest bilateral trade deal in history”, intended to cut down a thicket of commercial barriers and pull the world economy out of the doldrums. It would create a single market covering 40pc of global GDP from 2014 onwards.


Yet anger has been building across Europe as revelations keep coming to light from documents leaked by NSA defector Edward Snowden. Le Monde reported this week that the NSA had targeted 70,000 French telephones, SMS, and emails over a single month between December 2012 and January 2013, some involving business leaders with no obvious link to terrorism. Wanadoo and Alcatel-Lucent were among the targets.


French premier Jean-Marc Ayrault said he was “profoundly shocked that they would stoop so low as to collect data that has no strategic or defence justification”. The NSA denies that it ever targets commercial secrets.

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Berlin has tried to play down the scandal until now but the alleged bugging of Mrs Merkel’s private phones have changed the chemistry of the affair. Her office called it a “grave breach of trust”. Cabinet office minister Ronald Pofalla said NSA targeting of the Chancellor takes the scandal to a “whole new level” .

Thomas Oppermann, the SPD’s leader on the Bundestag’s intelligence committee, said the NSA actions were “an attack on the sovereignty of a democratic state” and would now become the a central issue in the coalition talks with Mrs Merkel.
While spy agencies invariably get up to tricks, it oversteps the line to eavesdrop on the leaders of close NATO allies. Mrs Merkel’s private number was reportedly included in the Snowden dossier leaked to Spiegel magazine.

Markus Kerber, head of Germany’s business federation, BDI, pleaded with the authorities not to let the spying dispute halt trade talks. “The deal will create 100,000 jobs in Germany alone and generate at least €5bn a year in growth,” he said.
Britain is a champion of the free trade pact, estimating that it will create 2m jobs on both sides of the Atlantic and generate extra output of almost $400bn a year for the global economy.

Spiegel reported that US President Barack Obama was furious when he first learned that the NSA was spying on Germany’s Chancellor, with whom he has warm ties. He ordered the surveillance to be stopped immediately. If so, diplomats say this should take some of the emotional sting out of the scandal and give both sides a way to defuse the crisis

[don]

Re: The Germans about to pull the Rug on UK/US Empire?

How serious? If Germany asks the US to exit militarily from Germany, and forms its own, US-independent command structure, then its serious. Otherwise they're hamstrung in the end.

[Forrest]

Re: The Germans about to pull the Rug on UK/US Empire?

How serious? If Germany asks the US to exit militarily from Germany, and forms its own, US-independent command structure, then its serious. Otherwise they're hamstrung in the end.

Isolation of the US from reserve status might be the first step in isolating us from having troops planted all over the world.

The Saudi's are also highly ticked at the US over Syria, and we have the Fifth fleet there...but for how long?

Any chance that as our reserve status is ripped away that we lose all those bases world wide?

[don]

Re: The Germans about to pull the Rug on UK/US Empire?

the two are inextricably bound

[Forrest]

Re: The Germans about to pull the Rug on UK/US Empire?

the two are inextricably bound

That's unfortunate in some ways and good in others. I'd like to downsize our excessively large military, but finding jobs for vets in a crunch could be a problem.

As usual, the end results of the American Ponzi Scheme offer little good for the short run.

[coolhand]

Re: The Germans about to pull the Rug on UK/US Empire?

That's unfortunate in some ways and good in others. I'd like to downsize our excessively large military, but finding jobs for vets in a crunch could be a problem.

As usual, the end results of the American Ponzi Scheme offer little good for the short run.

Putting vets to work building light rail infrastructure, pipeline infrastructure (to fuel nat-gas transportation economy) &/or high speed rail in the event of a breakdown of the existing petrodollar system would be a viable option IMO

[shiny!]

Re: The Germans about to pull the Rug on UK/US Empire?

Putting vets to work building light rail infrastructure, pipeline infrastructure (to fuel nat-gas transportation economy) &/or high speed rail in the event of a breakdown of the existing petrodollar system would be a viable option IMO

Not to mention protecting our borders and screening what comes into our ports. And don't forget lektrode's idea of using the military to set up and run low-cost/free community health care clinics around the country. They've already got the organization and know-how. No need to create another huge bureaucracy for healthcare.

[makimanos]

Re: The Germans about to pull the Rug on UK/US Empire?

History teaches us to be afraid of the Germans. Churchill was wrong. The real enemy wasn't Russia.
Germans should have never been permitted to control Europe.

[don]

Re: The Germans about to pull the Rug on UK/US Empire?

Germans should have never been permitted to control Europe.

Which era are you talking about? - now, I assume.

Wasn't this inevitable with re-unification?

Compared to the US Germany is a new nation. Ambitious, and unlike the US, since 1870 hemmed in by established great powers.

War seems kind of inevitable under those circumstances.

Ever notice how the geopolitical goals of a nation seldom change, regardless of the form of government?

Monarchy (Kaiser) - Corporate Fascism (Nazis) - Republic?

Will Germany "expand" sans territory?

Watch and see.