Tea Partiers Know Science Better Than Liberals?!?

[verdo]

Re: Tea Partiers Know Science Better Than Liberals?!?

I don't really see how the tea party is all that educated tbh when they manage to push the U.S. to the brink of default only to get a less conservative resolution passed by the senate at the end of the day. From what I've seen so far, they have zero political tact. Just a rabidness to get 100% of what they want

[photon555]

Re: Tea Partiers Know Science Better Than Liberals?!?

I don't really see how the tea party is all that educated tbh when they manage to push the U.S. to the brink of default only to get a less conservative resolution passed by the senate at the end of the day. From what I've seen so far, they have zero political tact. Just a rabidness to get 100% of what they want

So your criticism is that they settled for a political compromise after pushing hard for their POV? A main point of their argument is that private implementation of the ACA should be postponed for a year because of all the problems, and because so many others got postponements and exemptions. Isn't that fair? And if the ACA is so great why are there so many exemptions being granted, including the very people who passed the law? I seem to remember it was Obama who wouldn't negotiate at all. At the bitter end he had Reid do the dirty work so he could stay out of it. The main problem of the Tea Party is a corrupt mass media that's owned by the democrats, and thus a large proportion of Merican sheeple that don't see the approaching cliff, and don't want to see it.

But no doubt it's all good; everything will turn out all right. Look, there's a unicorn! giving out more EBT cards and free phones. Gotta go. /sarc off

[jiimbergin]

Re: Tea Partiers Know Science Better Than Liberals?!?

So your criticism is that they settled for a political compromise after pushing hard for their POV? A main point of their argument is that private implementation of the ACA should be postponed for a year because of all the problems, and because so many others got postponements and exemptions. Isn't that fair? And if the ACA is so great why are there so many exemptions being granted, including the very people who passed the law? I seem to remember it was Obama who wouldn't negotiate at all. At the bitter end he had Reid do the dirty work so he could stay out of it. The main problem of the Tea Party is a corrupt mass media that's owned by the democrats, and thus a large proportion of Merican sheeple that don't see the approaching cliff, and don't want to see it.

But no doubt it's all good; everything will turn out all right. Look, there's a unicorn! giving out more EBT cards and free phones. Gotta go. /sarc off

+1

[photon555]

Re: Tea Partiers Know Science Better Than Liberals?!?

Verdo, to be clear, the last line, /sarc is not directed at you, but rather the general consensus of bloviating herbivores that insist on rearranging the deck chairs while the ship is going down hard by the bow. The rest I stand behind. And oh yeah, I like your sig image.

[vt]

Re: Tea Partiers Know Science Better Than Liberals?!?

Photon 555 said to Verdo:

"So your criticism is that they settled for a political compromise after pushing hard for their POV? A main point of their argument is that private implementation of the ACA should be postponed for a year because of all the problems"

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/wolf-blitzer-white-house-should-have-delayed-obamacare-for-a-year

http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/08/jo...out-obamacare/

[Woodsman]

Re: Tea Partiers Know Science Better Than Liberals?!?

Off topic, but just heard from a colleague at NIH and they are in the catbird seat. Every fed FTE is going to be made whole for the 16 days they were out and will accrue vacay time for the period of the shutdown.

It turned out to be a paid vacation and they're actually going to come out ahead a little. Nice for them and they certainly aren't responsible for the shutdown, but egads! It's almost enough to make me start whistling Dixie and move to Texas.

We are so farked.

[dropthatcash]

Re: Tea Partiers Know Science Better Than Liberals?!?

That was me, thanks.

I'm not as trusting as you seem to be Shakes. I need to actually, you know, read the study you posted before making a decision on its merits. See otherwise I'd just be confirming biases. Then again I've had more sleep and aren't as cranky you seem to be.

Right now I'm nursing an Oban and just can't care all that much. But you remind me again tomorrow, okay. After you get some rest.

What? an prejudiced, arrogantly biased hateful leftist? Carry on.

[LorenS]

Re: Tea Partiers Know Science Better Than Liberals?!?

I think there was a pay increase in the bill too.

[Woodsman]

Re: Tea Partiers Know Science Better Than Liberals?!?

What? an prejudiced, arrogantly biased hateful leftist? Carry on.

None of those here, but appreciate you outing yourself as an idiot. And it only took 74 posts for you to do it. Bravo!

[flintlock]

Re: Tea Partiers Know Science Better Than Liberals?!?

People who believe all the negative press on the Tea Party are gullible fools who can't recognize when they are being manipulated by propaganda. That said, there are a lot of freaking morons in the Tea Party. But then that's typical for any political party, where the loudest mouths always get all the attention.

[jiimbergin]

Re: Tea Partiers Know Science Better Than Liberals?!?

Off topic, but just heard from a colleague at NIH and they are in the catbird seat. Every fed FTE is going to be made whole for the 16 days they were out and will accrue vacay time for the period of the shutdown.

It turned out to be a paid vacation and they're actually going to come out ahead a little. Nice for them and they certainly aren't responsible for the shutdown, but egads! It's almost enough to make me start whistling Dixie and move to Texas.

We are so farked.

you could also try NC or TN, both are quite nice!

[jiimbergin]

Re: Tea Partiers Know Science Better Than Liberals?!?

People who believe all the negative press on the Tea Party are gullible fools who can't recognize when they are being manipulated by propaganda. That said, there are a lot of freaking morons in the Tea Party. But then that's typical for any political party, where the loudest mouths always get all the attention.

The Tea Party is here in Western NC and I know quite a few. The ones I know are anything but stupid.

[DSpencer]

Re: Tea Partiers Know Science Better Than Liberals?!?

Off topic, but just heard from a colleague at NIH and they are in the catbird seat. Every fed FTE is going to be made whole for the 16 days they were out and will accrue vacay time for the period of the shutdown.

It turned out to be a paid vacation and they're actually going to come out ahead a little. Nice for them and they certainly aren't responsible for the shutdown, but egads! It's almost enough to make me start whistling Dixie and move to Texas.

We are so farked.

This was my complaint all along. They do this every time and everyone that pays attention knew it was going to happen again. Imagine if they were actually honest about what was happening:

"Hey everyone, we can't agree on a budget so we're just going to give every non essential government employee a paid vacation until we figure this out. Oh we're also going to make a big show out of it so that we annoy and inconvenience you as much as possible and obviously we'll continue drawing our salary despite our total failure to perform our jobs."

-Elected Officials

[DSpencer]

Re: Tea Partiers Know Science Better Than Liberals?!?

I don't really see how the tea party is all that educated tbh when they manage to push the U.S. to the brink of default only to get a less conservative resolution passed by the senate at the end of the day. From what I've seen so far, they have zero political tact. Just a rabidness to get 100% of what they want

For starters, educated and effective are not the same thing. And the elected "tea party" politicians are not necessarily representative anyway.

The main problem is your perspective though. You are viewing this as if the politicians' goal was to achieve some kind of legislative victory. This is almost never the true goal. The goal is: get more publicity, get more votes, get more power. If making a big spectacle achieves these ends (which sadly it did for some) then they have succeeded in their goal.

For example, look at this ridiculous situation with John Boehner:

“We fought the good fight. We just didn’t win,” conceded House Speaker John Boehner as lawmakers lined up to vote on a bill that includes nothing for Republicans demanding to eradicate or scale back Obama’s signature health care overhaul.

Despite all the tension within the GOP lately, Boehner got a standing ovation from fellow Republicans during what will likely be the last GOP conference during the government shutdown, according to the told the National Review.

Further, Rep. John Fleming (R-Md.) said Boehner’s “stock has risen tremendously” in terms of his leadership.

It's simply unbelievable.

[Woodsman]

Re: Tea Partiers Know Science Better Than Liberals?!?

People who believe all the negative press on the Tea Party are gullible fools...

Makes sense to me. And what about those who won't believe the negative data or their own eyes? What do we make of their impediment? My point is yours, flint, only it's the Tea Party affiliates who are the ones being manipulated by propaganda. And that propaganda is funded and developed not in support of the interests of the good burghers in the Tea Party, but the interests of amoral billionaires like the Kochs. If everyone is okay with that, then I'm a happy minority of one on this issue.

So no, I don't see these folks as exactly the good burghers the right wing press makes them out to be. I think if things get mad max-y here at home, the Tea Party will be the perfect medium for growing all sorts of peculiar ideologies. There is no similarly organized movement on the left save occupy whatever and I did say "organized." Note also whose necks were being stepped on and which cohort was under the baton during the Occupy summer. Contrast that with the reaction to the Tea Party theater and at least consider if that difference might have any bearing on how the TPTB view the Tea Party?

Seeing the Tea Party as a source of concern and looking at them warts and all doesn't make me or anyone else who shares the opinion either gullible or foolish. If anything, it's a marker of realism and historical understanding. What's wrong with recognizing that the mindset of the TP aligns almost perfectly with the worst social and economic ideas of the GOP, which in turn aligns further with some of more discredited ideas rooted in the experience of the American South. If that makes someone foolish or gullible, what does ignoring it make one?

We seem to think we are immune from this in America, but just look at the reaction we see here in this most erudite of forums when some right leaning folks are confronted with ideas that most everywhere in the world are unremarkable and centrist propositions. If hackles get up here in our oasis of civility, oh brother what is the Tea Party like!