Global warming.......guess what.......its TOTAL Bollocks!

[reggie]

Re: Global warming.......guess what.......its TOTAL Bollocks!

Reggie is correct, it's a complex system. This is why climate change can't be modeled.

Forrest agrees with this and implies that therefore humans cannot have any effect on the system.

The burden of proof lies with Forrest. That climate change can't be modeled doesn't prove that humans cannot have an effect on the system. Ideally, we should be striving to fuck with the system as little as possible, because we don't know what can happen as a result of ******* with the complex system. This is not an argument in favor of cap and trade, hopefully it won't be taken as such.

Wow. Can I frame this?

I don't think anything close to that phrase has ever been uttered here at iTulip. Thank you!

[Forrest]

Re: Earth not a person, but could be stable

In a technical discussion, we should not personify the earth. I also believe the global climate may be stable to small perturbations, but I cannot figure out what the stabilization dynamic is. Is there negative feedback which stabilizes the earths temperature to a variety of perturbations?

A major dispute between climate alarmists and AGW deniers is the degree of positive/negative feedback in the climate system. If you increase thermal power to the earth by 0.1%, how much must the earth's temperature rise to be in thermal equilibrium ? People are trying to get answers to this, by looking at local water vapor variations and the resulting radiant temperature changes.

PS...I'm so sorry...I will make very sure never to refer to 'Mother Nature' again as anything but 'it'. I am sure that this is also more politically correct as well as technically correct. We must remain gender neutral as well in these difficult times.

[Woodsman]

Re: Global warming.......guess what.......its TOTAL Bollocks!

Reggie is correct

[vt]

Re: Global warming.......guess what.......its TOTAL Bollocks!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...d-recover.html

[Stroebel]

Re: Global warming.......guess what.......its TOTAL Bollocks!

Schmidt pointed out, however, that the real anomaly in the recent climate record is not the last decade but the year 1998, which saw a sharp spike in atmospheric temperatures. "If you take 1998 out, there is no pause," he said. According to NASA data, the ten hottest years since 1880 have all happened since 1998, with 2010 being the hottest of all.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...-science-ipcc/

Can I safely assume that NASA's temperature are part of the vast conspiracy among the scientific community to tax us all? Or would that be too wishful.

[Forrest]

Re: Global warming.......guess what.......its TOTAL Bollocks!

Schmidt pointed out, however, that the real anomaly in the recent climate record is not the last decade but the year 1998, which saw a sharp spike in atmospheric temperatures. "If you take 1998 out, there is no pause," he said. According to NASA data, the ten hottest years since 1880 have all happened since 1998, with 2010 being the hottest of all.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...-science-ipcc/

Can I safely assume that NASA's temperature are part of the vast conspiracy among the scientific community to tax us all? Or would that be too wishful.

NASA, being a US Governmental Agency, no doubt prints what it is told to print. Their scientific staff are not necessarily involved in what NASA says officially, but one must recall that most scientists live on research grants from the US Government as well. This cannot but help influence them to one degree or another, whether consciously or not.

Data is being manipulated, and some reporters simply do not believe anymore all that they are told by the 'Powers that Be'.

A little truth can be refreshing from time to time. Our difficulty is ascertaining which reports are truthful.

[Thailandnotes]

Re: Global warming.......guess what.......its TOTAL Bollocks!

especially when journalist are terrorists

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?...&jumival=10957

[vt]

Re: Global warming.......guess what.......its TOTAL Bollocks!

Now Japan thinks global warming in a farce:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/japan-drast...-business.html

As well as Australia:

http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/14/au...warming-taxes/

China, Russia, South Korea, Taiwan, and others are building nuclear power plants while the U.S. does little:

http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/Cu...ors-Worldwide/

[Forrest]

Re: Global warming.......guess what.......its TOTAL Bollocks!

especially when journalist are terrorists

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?...&jumival=10957

Thanks for the link...most interesting!

[Forrest]

Re: Global warming.......guess what.......its TOTAL Bollocks!

Now Japan thinks global warming in a farce:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/japan-drast...-business.html

As well as Australia:

http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/14/au...warming-taxes/

China, Russia, South Korea, Taiwan, and others are building nuclear power plants while the U.S. does little:

http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/Cu...ors-Worldwide/

It's amazing how well countries other than America are figuring out what is true and what is not.

Down with Corporate Media!

[BadJuju]

Re: Global warming.......guess what.......its TOTAL Bollocks!

Yeah, we'll see. I suppose most climate scientists are wrong, then. And FIRE doesn't actually exist.

[photon555]

Re: Global warming.......guess what.......its TOTAL Bollocks!

Yeah, we'll see. I suppose most climate scientists are wrong, then. And FIRE doesn't actually exist.

Yeah, most climate scientists are wrong, then, and FIRE is trying to make gazzillions off a phony crisis.

Check out this short story.

http://www.calgarysun.com/2013/11/16...climate-change

The last line of the story is the kicker:

"Originally about 300 people were slated to participate in the Calgary protest, but due to a snow storm only about 50 showed up."

But...but...but...it's climate change, not just global warming, you see. Yeah, right, it's going to get hot and cold at the same time, just like a hot fudge sundae. I love hot fudge sundaes, especially with nuts on top.

[vt]

Re: Global warming.......guess what.......its TOTAL Bollocks!

I've thought for years that the global warming movement was just a scare tactic to drum up another tax and spend scam.

If these zealots were serious they would have pushed for nuclear power years ago. When PCO finally kicks in big time we will be in serious economic and energy trouble, while Asia is building nuclear plants like crazy.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/16/gl...up-50-percent/

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/w...mperature.html

Solar activity is a major cause; and the sun has been very quiet thus has warming stopped.

We do need to work for more clean energy, and more things like hybrid diesels, energy efficient homes, etc.

But we don't need to panic and shut down energy use. Or tax and spend more in a fragile economy.

[Forrest]

Re: Global warming.......guess what.......its TOTAL Bollocks!

More Global Warming

Posted by Martin Armstrong

Thank God this is Global Warming. Can you imagine how much snow would have fallen in Egypt for the first time in 112 years had there NOT been Global Warming? I prefer warm weather. It is bloody cold!!!!!! This theory of Global Warming is up there with Marxism.

[Southernguy]

Re: Global warming.......guess what.......its TOTAL Bollocks!

Global warming is not bollocks. Even if the scientific basis is not worked out to the last detail, global temperature is rising in atmosphere as well as in the oceans.
CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is rising as well, no doubt about that.
And then there is the precaution principle. What's the need for this frantic rate of consumption?
Warren Buffet seems to understand this.
Watch out specially the comparative costs, in the USA, one of the places in the world with cheapest coal and natural gas, between NG, coal and wind.
Wind Power Rivals Coal With $1 Billion Order From Buffett

By Ehren Goossens Dec 17, 2013 6:03 AM GMT-0200
The decision by Warren Buffett’s utility company to order about $1 billion of wind turbines for projects in Iowa shows how a drop in equipment costs is making renewable energy more competitive with power from fossil fuels. Turbine prices have fallen 26 percent worldwide since the first half of 2009, bringing wind power within 5.5 percent of the cost of electricity from coal, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. MidAmerican Energy Holdings Co., a unit of Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway Inc., yesterday announced an order for 1,050 megawatts of Siemens AG wind turbines in the industry’s largest order to date for land-based gear.
Wind is the cheapest source of power in Iowa, and the deal indicates that turbines are becoming profitable without subsidies, according to Tom Kiernan, chief executive officer of the American Wind Energy Association trade group. That’s a boost for suppliers including Siemens, General Electric Co. and Vestas Wind Systems A/S, and a threat to coal miners such as Peabody Energy Corp.
“If Congress were to remove all the subsidies from every energy source, the wind industry can compete on its own,” Kiernan said at a press conference at a Siemens factory in Fort Madison, Iowa, yesterday, when the order was announced.

Photographer: Daniel Acker/Bloomberg

Completed wind turbine blades made for General Electric Co.'s renewable energy business... Read More

Other wind-turbine companies are recovering from slumps. The market value of Vestas, Europe’s biggest turbine supplier, increased 86 percent in the second half through yesterday and it’s expected to report net income in the current quarter for the first time since since mid-2011.
Energy ‘Hedge’

Growing demand for wind power will offset waning use of fossil fuels, said MidAmerican Energy CEO Bill Fehrman. This order for 448 turbines follows a December 2010 agreement to use 258 Siemens turbines for other projects in Iowa.
Wind farms provide “a hedge for our customers going forward in an era of reduced coal generation,” he said at the event. The projects will qualify for the federal production tax credit for wind power, which is set to expire at the end of the year.
One of the five Iowa wind farms, the 44-megawatt Vienna II project, is already in operation. The company expects another 506 megawatts of turbines to begin producing power next year and the rest will go online in 2015, Fehrman said.
The company is investing a total of $1.9 billion in the five projects. Broadwind Energy Inc. will supply the towers.
MidAmerican expects to close some coal-powered plants in 2015 as the price of wind power continues to slide, said Adam Wright, vice president of wind generation and development for MidAmerican’s Iowa utility.
Retiring Coal

“Those coal retirements do require us to have some excess capacity or an increase in capacity,” he said yesterday in an interview. “If you strip away everything from all generation resources, I think wind is more competitive.”
Wind turbines typically cost about $1 million for each megawatt of capacity, making the deal worth more than $1 billion for Siemens, Markus Tacke, chief executive officer of the company’s wind power division, said without providing an exact price.
Power from wind is now cheaper than power from newly built natural gas plants, said Amy Grace, chief wind analyst for Bloomberg New Energy Finance.
“Most people expect gas to become more expensive,”she said in an interview. “I think in most windy areas in the U.S it will be competitive by 2020.”
Wind Forecast

The industry is expected to install about 32 gigawatts of new wind capacity worldwide this year, down 28 percent from last year, according to New Energy Finance, in part because of low demand in the U.S. in the first half after the production tax credit lapsed. It was renewed at the start of 2013. Demand next year will rebound to about 43.7 gigawatts.
Power from coal costs about $78.30 a megawatt-hour to produce and gas costs $69.71, compared with $82.61 for onshore wind farms, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.
The cost of wind power has declined about 90 percent in the past two decades, and 30 percent in the past three years, Kiernan said.
The cost and reliability of coal will ensure that it remains part of the energy mix, Vic Svec, head of investor relations for St. Louis-based Peabody Energy, the biggest U.S. coal producer, said in an e-mailed statement.
Siemens will supply hubs and nacelles, the car-sized units that house the gears, electronics and gearboxes for turbines, from its plant in Hutchinson, Kansas, and rotors and blades from the Fort Madison facility.
Siemens has also agreed to supply turbines for Cape Wind, the proposed offshore wind farm off the coast of Massachusetts that faced opposition from local residents including the Kennedy family. The company said the project will qualify for a key federal credit, the investment tax credit, which is also set to expire Dec. 31.
To contact the reporter on this story: Ehren Goossens in New York at egoossens1@bloomberg.net
To contact the editor responsible for this story: Reed Landberg at landberg@bloomberg.net