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    no, not in the canals . . .

    Nasa's Curiosity rover finds water in Martian soil



    Water has been discovered in the fine-grained soil on the surface of Mars, which could be a useful resource for future human missions to the red planet, according to measurements made by Nasa's Curiosity rover.

    Each cubic foot of Martian soil contains around two pints of liquid water, though the molecules are not freely accessible, but rather bound to other minerals in the soil.

    The Curiosity rover has been on Mars since August 2012, landing in an area near the equator of the planet known as Gale Crater. Its target is to circle and climb Mount Sharp, which lies at the centre of the crater, a five-kilometre-high mountain of layered rock that will help scientists unravel the history of the planet.

    On Thursday Nasa scientists published a series of five papers in the journal Science, which detail the experiments carried out by the various scientific instruments aboard Curiosity in its first four months on the martian surface. Though highlights from the year-long mission have been released at conferences and Nasa press conferences, these are the first set of formal, peer-reviewed results from the Curiosity mission.

    "We tend to think of Mars as this dry place – to find water fairly easy to get out of the soil at the surface was exciting to me," said Laurie Leshin, dean of science at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute and lead author on the Science paper which confirmed the existence of water in the soil. "If you took about a cubic foot of the dirt and heated it up, you'd get a couple of pints of water out of that – a couple of water bottles' worth that you would take to the gym."

    About 2% of the soil, by weight, was water. Curiosity made the measurement by scooping up a sample of the Martian dirt under its wheels, sieving it and dropping tiny samples into an oven in its belly, an instrument called Sample Analysis at Mars. "We heat [the soil] up to 835C and drive off all the volatiles and measure them," said Leshin. "We have a very sensitive way to sniff those and we can detect the water and other things that are released."

    Aside from water, the heated soil released sulphur dioxide, carbon dioxide and oxygen as the various minerals within it were decomposed as they warmed up.

    One of Curiosity's main missions is to look for signs of habitability on Mars, places where life might once have existed. "The rocks and minerals are a record of the processes that have occurred and [Curiosity is] trying to figure out those environments that were around and to see if they were habitable," said Peter Grindrod, a planetary scientist at University College London who was not involved in the analyses of Curiosity data.

    Flowing water is once thought to have been abundant on the surface of Mars, but it has now all but disappeared. The only direct sources of water found so far have been as ice at the poles of the planet.

    The other papers included x-ray diffraction images of the soil in order to work out the crystalline structure of the minerals on the Martian surface and analysis of a volcanic rock called "Jake_M", which is named after a Nasa engineer. The analysis showed that the rock was similar to a type on Earth known as a mugearite, which is typically found on ocean islands and in rift zones.

    Grindrod said that the latest results published by the Nasa team were just the start of the scientific insights that would come from Mars in the next few years. "It's the first flexing of Curiosity's analytical muscles," he said. "Curiosity spent a long time checking out the engineering, instruments and procedures it was going to use – these papers cover just that engineering period. The targets here weren't chosen because of their science goals as such but as good targets to test out the instruments."

    Leshin said that, as well as the excitement of exploring a new world for the first time, the increasingly detailed analysis of the Martian surface would be critical information for planning human missions. As well as the water discovery, analysis of the soil has also shown, for example, the presence of a type of chemical called a perchlorate, which is can be toxic to people. "It's only there at a 0.5% level in the soil but it impedes thyroid function," she said. "If humans are there and are coming into contact with fine-grained dust, we have to think about how we live with that hazard. To me it's a good connection between the science we do and the future human exploration of Mars."

    She added: "I do think it's inevitable that we'll send people there and so let's do its as smartly as we can. Let's get as smart as we can before we go."

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    "I do think it's inevitable that we'll send people there and so let's do its as smartly as we can. Let's get as smart as we can before we go."
    Jamestown Redux?

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      Perhaps, but no friendly natives to get them through the first winter.

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        Water on Mars?

        Pop Quiz Time

        Mars needs:

        A) A JP Morgan H2O trading derivative;
        B) A big-ass fracing unit (the solution to all problems, non?);
        C) A Central Bank with a QE program;
        D) All of the above.

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        • #5
          Re: Water on Mars?

          Originally posted by Forrest View Post
          Perhaps, but no friendly natives to get them through the first winter.


          We need to start training Tahitian girls to be astronauts.

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          • #6
            Re: Water on Mars?

            Can I help?

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            • #7
              Re: Water on Mars?

              Maybe a few nukes would vaporize enough stuff to make an atmosphere. Sulfur Dioxide, C02 and Oxygen -- what a pleasant atmosphere that would make.

              I think I'll stay here.

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                Nasa scientists find evidence of flowing water on Mars


                Liquid water runs down canyons and crater walls over the summer months on Mars, according to researchers who say the discovery raises the chances of being home to some form of life.

                The trickles leave long, dark stains on the Martian terrain that can reach hundreds of metres downhill in the warmer months, before they dry up in the autumn as surface temperatures drop.

                Images taken from the Mars orbit show cliffs, and the steep walls of valleys and craters, streaked with summertime flows that in the most active spots combine to form intricate fan-like patterns.

                Scientists are unsure where the water comes from, but it may rise up from underground ice or salty aquifers, or condense out of the thin Martian atmosphere.

                “There is liquid water today on the surface of Mars,” Michael Meyer, the lead scientist on Nasa’s Mars exploration programme, told the Guardian. “Because of this, we suspect that it is at least possible to have a habitable environment today.”


                The water flows could point Nasa and other space agencies towards the most promising sites to find life on Mars, and to landing spots for future human missions where water can be collected from a natural supply.

                Some of the earliest missions to Mars revealed a planet with a watery past. Pictures beamed back to Earth in the 1970s showed a surface crossed by dried-up rivers and plains once submerged beneath vast ancient lakes. Earlier this year, Nasa unveiled evidence of an ocean that might have covered half of the planet’s northern hemisphere in the distant past.


                But occasionally, Mars probes have found hints that the planet might still be wet. Nearly a decade ago, Nasa’s Mars Global Surveyor took pictures of what appeared to be water bursting through a gully wall and flowing around boulders and other rocky debris. In 2011, the high-resolution camera on Nasa’s Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter captured what looked like little streams flowing down crater walls from late spring to early autumn. Not wanting to assume too much, mission scientists named the flows “recurring slope lineae” or RSL.

                Researchers have now turned to another instrument on board the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter to analyse the chemistry of the mysterious RSL flows. Lujendra Ojha, of Georgia Institute of Technology in Atlanta, and his colleagues used a spectrometer on the MRO to look at infrared light reflected off steep rocky walls when the dark streaks had just begun to appear, and when they had grown to full length at the end of the Martian summer.


                Writing in the journal Nature Geosciences, the team describes how it found infra-red signatures for hydrated salts when the dark flows were present, but none before they had grown. The hydrated salts – a mix of chlorates and percholorates – are a smoking gun for the presence of water at all four sites inspected: the Hale, Palikir and Horowitz craters, and a large canyon called Coprates Chasma.

                “These may be the best places to search for extant life near the surface of Mars,” said Alfred McEwen, a planetary geologist at the University of Arizona and senior author on the study. “While it would be very important to find evidence of ancient life, it would be difficult to understand the biology. Current life would be much more informative.”

                The flows only appear when the surface of Mars rises above -23C. The water can run in such frigid conditions because the salts lower the freezing point of water, keeping it liquid far below 0C.

                “The mystery has been, what is permitting this flow? Presumably water, but until now, there has been no spectral signature,” Meyer said. “From this, we conclude that the RSL are generated by water interacting with percholorates, forming a brine that flows downhill.”


                John Bridges, a professor of planetary science at the University of Leicester, said the study was fascinating, but might throw up some fresh concerns for space agencies. The flows could be used to find water sources on Mars, making them prime spots to hunt for life, and to land future human missions. But agencies were required to do their utmost to avoid contaminating other planets with microbes from Earth, making wet areas the most difficult to visit. “This will give them lots to think about,” he said.

                For now, researchers are focused on learning where the water comes from. Porous rocks under the Martian surface might hold frozen water that melts in the summer months and seeps up to the surface.

                Another possibility is that highly concentrated saline aquifers are dotted around beneath the surface, not as pools of water, but as saturated volumes of gritty rock. These could cause flows in some areas, but cannot easily explain water seeping down from the top of crater walls.

                A third possibility, and one favoured by McEwen, is that salts on the Martian surface absorb water from the atmosphere until they have enough to run downhill. The process, known as deliquescence, is seen in the Atacama desert, where the resulting damp patches are the only known place for microbes to live.

                “It’s a fascinating piece of work,” Bridges said. “Our view of Mars is changing, and we’ll be discussing this for a long time to come.”

                http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/sep/28/nasa-scientists-find-evidence-flowing-water-mars

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                  That is so cool!

                  Coincidentally, this morning I just began reading "The Martian" by Andy Weir and am enjoying it. Everyone says the science is very accurate and the movie is terrific.

                  Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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                    Re: Water on Mars?

                    Originally posted by Forrest View Post
                    Perhaps, but no friendly natives to get them through the first winter.
                    Not to mention the fact there's not a single boat on earth capable of going offshore...we got little coast-huggers like the Soyuz and Atlas and Falcon. That's it. Not a single one of them's seaworthy enough to cross the Irish Sea, never mind the open Atlantic.

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                      Originally posted by dcarrigg View Post
                      Not to mention the fact there's not a single boat on earth capable of going offshore...we got little coast-huggers like the Soyuz and Atlas and Falcon. That's it. Not a single one of them's seaworthy enough to cross the Irish Sea, never mind the open Atlantic.
                      But dc, where's your faith in private space flight . . . .

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                        Originally posted by dcarrigg View Post
                        Not to mention the fact there's not a single boat on earth capable of going offshore...we got little coast-huggers like the Soyuz and Atlas and Falcon. That's it. Not a single one of them's seaworthy enough to cross the Irish Sea, never mind the open Atlantic.
                        Well put. When I was young we supposed to be working toward colonizing space for the betterment of mankind. Spaceflight was in its ascendance. Moon landings were on TV. There seemed to be a sort of pride in the air as if we were on our way to new avenues of exploration complete with rugged individuals, old school american values, and such... I wake up in the morning and wonder to myself what the hell happened?

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                          Originally posted by radon View Post
                          Well put. When I was young we supposed to be working toward colonizing space for the betterment of mankind. Spaceflight was in its ascendance. Moon landings were on TV. There seemed to be a sort of pride in the air as if we were on our way to new avenues of exploration complete with rugged individuals, old school american values, and such... I wake up in the morning and wonder to myself what the hell happened?
                          You guys familiar at all with NASA's Space Launch System, and plans (however tenuous) for sending humans to Mars as early as the 2030s? SLS is one big honkin' rocket, planned to send humans to Mars, and development is moving along.

                          http://www.nasa.gov/topics/journeytomars/index.html
                          http://www.nasa.gov/exploration/systems/sls/index.html

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                          • #14
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                            Originally posted by peakishmael View Post
                            You guys familiar at all with NASA's Space Launch System, and plans (however tenuous) for sending humans to Mars as early as the 2030s? SLS is one big honkin' rocket, planned to send humans to Mars, and development is moving along.

                            http://www.nasa.gov/topics/journeytomars/index.html
                            http://www.nasa.gov/exploration/systems/sls/index.html
                            I remember 10 years ago when we were supposed to return to the Moon by 2020 and get to Mars by 2030. Then Constellation got cancelled. The Ares V was scrapped in the process, along with the smaller Ares I. The only thing that survived the cuts was the Orion Crew Capsule. But now that's still in development, supposedly to go on the SLS, even though it was supposed to be finished already.

                            I also remember 10 years before that, when we had the X-33 as a replacement for the shuttle. That got scrapped for funding at 90% complete or something.

                            The truth is, NASA hasn't completed a manned space vehicle project since the Space Shuttle. And the way Congress is going, I doubt the SLS will ever come to fruition.

                            Plus, the former head of the SLS and Mars 2020 program has been calling for scrapping them for a year now. The knives are already out. The calls for scrapping the program will get louder. They'll talk about how expensive it is. More and more NASA administrators will agree. Then they'll promise you some other snake oil.

                            I also have very little faith in private manned spaceflight. It's simply not a profitable industry. Corner cutting and squeezing dollars out of sketchy safety moves gives you nothing but 20% failure rates. Any savings they 'discover' simply adds risk. Any profit they make simply comes directly out of taxpayers' pockets anyways. I don't see why cuts to NASA's budget won't simply be every bit as devastating to a private company that relies solely on NASA for revenue to do deep-space manned flight as it would if you just simply let NASA do the project without handing billions to a middle man.

                            Anyways, sorry to be so negative. But I'm pretty sure it's the truth. It seems to me we're a long, long way away from even being able to send a man to the moon again. Maybe 20+ years if they start boosting funding now. But they won't. A US mission to Mars isn't happening in my lifetime. Maybe the Chinese will pull it off by 2050 if I'm lucky enough to still be kicking around then. But China's space program is going down a dark path too.

                            My guess is that space programs have become so kleptocratic now that nothing big will ever get done. They're simply a way to hand out cushy favors and free government cash to billionaires now. The object is never actually innovation or mission completion. It's simply politicians and bureaucrats taking public money and handing it directly to corrupt private interests in exchange for favors down the line. It's more important that someone like Musk or some relation of Xi gets his very deep pockets lined than anything actually gets done.

                            The path has been pioneered for years now. Promise something 20 years out. Burn billions in contracts building it right up until the point the mission might begin. Then scrap the project. Hand out a bunch of new contracts. Hand another player enough to build a low earth orbit platform instead (the only potentially commercially viable platform). Then set a new promise for 20 years out. Burn billions again. Rinse and repeat.

                            We haven't set a human speed record since Apollo 10 in 1969.

                            Probably not coincidentally, that's about the last year the middle class saw its real earnings grow in the US.

                            Since then the game has just been robbing everybody blind.

                            There is no higher purpose.

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                              Originally posted by dcarrigg View Post

                              ...programs have become so kleptocratic now that nothing big will ever get done... the game has just been robbing everybody blind...There is no higher purpose.
                              That's why we can't have nice things.


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