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  • More McCain stupidity: a Putin response in Pravda

    Yet another sign that this man is just a moron. By putting up a response in Pravda, he's just underlined the New York Times as the US equivalent of Pravda - and has knee jerked a me-too response to boot.

    http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/19-...r_pravda_ru-0/

    When Pravda.ru editor, Dmitry Sudakov, offered to publish my commentary, he referred to me as "an active anti-Russian politician for many years." I'm sure that isn't the first time Russians have heard me characterized as their antagonist. Since my purpose here is to dispel falsehoods used by Russia's rulers to perpetuate their power and excuse their corruption, let me begin with that untruth. I am not anti-Russian. I am pro-Russian, more pro-Russian than the regime that misrules you today. I make that claim because I respect your dignity and your right to self-determination. I believe you should live according to the dictates of your conscience, not your government. I believe you deserve the opportunity to improve your lives in an economy that is built to last and benefits the many, not just the powerful few. You should be governed by a rule of law that is clear, consistently and impartially enforced and just. I make that claim because I believe the Russian people, no less than Americans, are endowed by our Creator with inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

    A Russian citizen could not publish a testament like the one I just offered. President Putin and his associates do not believe in these values. They don't respect your dignity or accept your authority over them. They punish dissent and imprison opponents. They rig your elections. They control your media. They harass, threaten, and banish organizations that defend your right to self-governance. To perpetuate their power they foster rampant corruption in your courts and your economy and terrorize and even assassinate journalists who try to expose their corruption.

    They write laws to codify bigotry against people whose sexual orientation they condemn. They throw the members of a punk rock band in jail for the crime of being provocative and vulgar and for having the audacity to protest President Putin's rule.Sergei Magnistky wasn't a human rights activist. He was an accountant at a Moscow law firm. He was an ordinary Russian who did an extraordinary thing. He exposed one of the largest state thefts of private assets in Russian history. He cared about the rule of law and believed no one should be above it. For his beliefs and his courage, he was held in Butyrka prison without trial, where he was beaten, became ill and died. After his death, he was given a show trial reminiscent of the Stalin-era and was, of course, found guilty. That wasn't only a crime against Sergei Magnitsky. It was a crime against the Russian people and your right to an honest government - a government worthy of Sergei Magnistky and of you. President Putin claims his purpose is to restore Russia to greatness at home and among the nations of the world. But by what measure has he restored your greatness? He has given you an economy that is based almost entirely on a few natural resources that will rise and fall with those commodities. Its riches will not last. And, while they do, they will be mostly in the possession of the corrupt and powerful few. Capital is fleeing Russia, which - lacking rule of law and a broad-based economy - is considered too risky for investment and entrepreneurism. He has given you a political system that is sustained by corruption and repression and isn't strong enough to tolerate dissent.

    How has he strengthened Russia's international stature? By allying Russia with some of the world's most offensive and threatening tyrannies. By supporting a Syrian regime that is murdering tens of thousands of its own people to remain in power and by blocking the United Nations from even condemning its atrocities. By refusing to consider the massacre of innocents, the plight of millions of refugees, the growing prospect of a conflagration that engulfs other countries in its flames an appropriate subject for the world's attention. He is not enhancing Russia's global reputation. He is destroying it. He has made her a friend to tyrants and an enemy to the oppressed, and untrusted by nations that seek to build a safer, more peaceful and prosperous world.

    President Putin doesn't believe in these values because he doesn't believe in you. He doesn't believe that human nature at liberty can rise above its weaknesses and build just, peaceful, prosperous societies. Or, at least, he doesn't believe Russians can. So he rules by using those weaknesses, by corruption, repression and violence. He rules for himself, not you.

    I do believe in you. I believe in your capacity for self-government and your desire for justice and opportunity. I believe in the greatness of the Russian people, who suffered enormously and fought bravely against terrible adversity to save your nation. I believe in your right to make a civilization worthy of your dreams and sacrifices. When I criticize your government, it is not because I am anti-Russian. It is because I believe you deserve a government that believes in you and answers to you. And, I long for the day when you have it.

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    Re: More McCain stupidity: a Putin response in Pravda

    Now which one of the Keating Five was McCain again?

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    • #3
      Re: More McCain stupidity: a Putin response in Pravda

      Originally posted by Woodsman View Post
      Now which one of the Keating Five was McCain again?
      who cares - at least that particular bunch actually WENT TO JAIL (along with the scumbags from enron, i might add) - hows that one go (some witty joke, but fergit what it was ...)

      but when it comes to REAL (and recent vs 30years ago) CRIMINAL BANKING ACTIVITY, the present bunch of clowns (thieves, frauds, criminal-spin-masters) 'occupying' the whitehouse, both houses of congress, the dept of 'justice', the SEC, the treasury and we wont even get into the 'federal' reserve - they all make the keating bunch look like small-time hoodsies, dimestore stickemups, mere pikers at The Game of Fraud known as 'banking reform' thats been played to such 'fanfare' by our very own lamestream media - who continue to IGNORE the most obvious - obfuscate the most heinous - pretend its all somehow just a coincidence - or that any of this has any 'significance' whatsoever - i mean, afterall - who has time to actually READ anything anymore -

      but at least we get the truth out of pravda....

      HILARIOUS!!!

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      • #4
        Re: More McCain stupidity: a Putin response in Pravda

        Originally posted by lektrode
        who cares - at least that particular bunch actually WENT TO JAIL
        lek', the Keating 5 referred to the 5 senators who served Charles Keating's interests - specifically intervening to kill a probe into Lincoln Savings.

        Keating went to jail, the 5 did not. One received a reprimand, but that was it.

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        • #5
          Re: More McCain stupidity: a Putin response in Pravda

          Originally posted by c1ue View Post
          lek', the Keating 5 referred to the 5 senators who served Charles Keating's interests - specifically intervening to kill a probe into Lincoln Savings.

          Keating went to jail, the 5 did not. One received a reprimand, but that was it.
          oh...

          uhhh.... well...
          thanks mr c1ue - sometimes i'm a little slow on the uptake with woody's jokes, as he's quite clever you know (a compliment, woody)

          but taking a few seconds to browse thru the story - i mean, it was a (relatively) long time ago - esp in a world where the lamestream media 'focus' (/sarc) on the antics of the political class only when it suits the(ir) agenda and can make almost anything disappear in a matter of days when they really want something to just go away - but reading some of this makes everything thats happened - over the past 5or6 years in particular - start falling into place...

          Originally posted by the wikiP
          The Keating Five were five United States Senators accused of corruption in 1989, igniting a major political scandal as part of the larger Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s. The five senators – Alan Cranston (Democrat of California), Dennis DeConcini (Democrat of Arizona), John Glenn (Democrat of Ohio), John McCain (Republican of Arizona), and Donald W. Riegle, Jr. (Democrat of Michigan) – were accused of improperly intervening in 1987 on behalf of Charles H. Keating, Jr., Chairman of the Lincoln Savings and Loan Association, which was the target of a regulatory investigation by the Federal Home Loan Bank Board (FHLBB). The FHLBB subsequently backed off taking action against Lincoln.
          and while i tend to be suspicious of just about anything/everything connecting the beltway to the banks, its these holdovers (political contrivances) from the 1930's (never mind after certain events in 1913, one in particular thats enabled them to tax/spend with abandon since) that really makes my BS antenna crackle - esp when, just like in 1913 (and 2009-10) - one particular part of the beltway bunch had control of all 3 branches (with veto-proof margins of control?)

          and some think i'm 'biased' (and much worse, but i'm trying to be polite) when i note that just like the oil biz is "run by a bunch of GD texas Republicans" (with apologies to Texans and oil guys - and not my quote, but we see it all the time...) - its my contention that most of the big newyork (in particular) banks are dem-run institutions (since to be part of the 'in-crowd' in any geo-political sense, one is usually a member of that particular place's dominant political bunch, by definition of being part of the 'in-crowd' - course then we have people like hizhonor bloomberg (or liz warren) but you get my point...)

          Originally posted by the wikiP
          Lincoln Savings and Loan collapsed in 1989, at a cost of over $3 billion to the federal government. Some 23,000 Lincoln bondholders were defrauded and many investors lost their life savings. The substantial political contributions Keating had made to each of the senators, totaling $1.3 million, attracted considerable public and media attention. After a lengthy investigation, the Senate Ethics Committee determined in 1991 that Cranston, DeConcini, and Riegle had substantially and improperly interfered with the FHLBB's investigation of Lincoln Savings, with Cranston receiving a formal reprimand. Senators Glenn and McCain were cleared of having acted improperly but were criticized for having exercised "poor judgment".

          i mean, GASP!!! "3 BILLION" ????

          was enough - back then - to cause such an uproar - and WOW - a whole 23 thousand - got defrauded and 'many' lost it all??
          guess that is/was somehow more important (to some, still?) than THE 10's of MILLIONS are who _still_ losing - now going on 5years and 7 TRILLION MORE IN BORROWED/PRINTED and blown/pissed-away for our so-called "recovery" - that has accomplished what - precisely? (and this isnt directed at you, mr c1ue - nor mr woody, both of whom i have the utmost respect for)

          but this is still an interesting and relevant (to some, apparently) story

          Originally posted by the wikiP
          The core allegation of the Keating Five affair is that Keating had made contributions of about $1.3 million to various U.S. Senators, and he called on those Senators to help him resist regulators. The regulators backed off, to later disastrous consequences.

          yeah - like what happens when trying to use mere 6figure bribes - when 9figures is what it really costs 'run an election' - these daze anyway

          Originally posted by the wikiP
          Beginning in 1985, Edwin J. Gray, chair of the Federal Home Loan Bank Board (FHLBB), feared that the savings industry's risky investment practices were exposing the government's insurance funds to huge losses.[6] Gray instituted a rule whereby savings associations could hold no more than ten percent of their assets in "direct investments",[6] and were thus prohibited from taking ownership positions in certain financial entities and instruments.[7] Lincoln had become burdened with bad debt resulting from its past aggressiveness, and by early 1986,[6] its investment practices were being investigated and audited by the FHLBB:[8] in particular, whether it had violated these direct investment rules; Lincoln had directed Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation-insured accounts into commercial real estate ventures.[4] By the end of 1986, the FHLBB had found that Lincoln had $135 million in unreported losses and had surpassed the regulated direct investments limit by $600 million.[6]

          Keating had earlier taken several measures to oppose Gray and the FHLBB, including recruiting a study from then-private economist Alan Greenspan saying that direct investments were not harmful,[6] and getting President Ronald Reagan to make a recess appointment of a Keating ally, Atlanta real estate developer Lee H. Henkel Jr., to an open seat on the FHLBB.[6] By March 1987, however, Henkel had resigned, upon news of his having large loans due to Lincoln.[6] Meanwhile, the Senate had changed control from Republican to Democratic during the 1986 Congressional elections, placing several Democratic senators in key positions, and starting in January 1987, Keating's staff was putting pressure on Cranston to remove Gray from any FHLBB discussion regarding Lincoln.[9] The following month, Keating began large-scale contributions into Cranston's project to increase California voter registration.[9] In February 1987, Keating met with Riegle and began contributing to Riegle's 1988 re-election campaign.[10]
          hmmmm... not sure who the primary beneficiary of the increase in CA's voter registration might've been, but considering whats happened in (to) CA/The US since, i'm kinda guessing i'll be called 'biased' again - but i digress...

          Originally posted by the wikiP
          It appeared as though the government might seize Lincoln for being insolvent.[7] The investigation was, however, taking a long time.[8] Keating was asking that Lincoln be given a lenient judgment by the FHLBB, so that it could limit its high risk investments and get into the safe (at the time) home mortgage business, thus allowing the business to survive. A letter from audit firm Arthur Young & Co. bolstered Keating's case that the government investigation was taking a long time
          hmmm... that name sounds familiar... hmmm... where'd they show up again - oh???

          and - yet in 2012 - not much had happened - even after all sorts of stuff was like... uh.. spotlighting all sorts of questions -

          and then... another year goes by and voila!!

          nuthin
          ....

          Originally posted by the wikiP
          By March 1987, Riegle was telling Gray that "Some senators out west are very concerned about the way the bank board is regulating Lincoln Savings," adding, "I think you need to meet with the senators. You'll be getting a call."[10] Keating and DeConcini were asking McCain to travel to San Francisco to meet with regulators regarding Lincoln Savings; McCain refused.[7][11] DeConcini told Keating that McCain was nervous about interfering.[7] Keating called McCain a "wimp" behind his back, and on March 24, Keating and McCain had a heated, contentious meeting.
          yeah, thats the way ya get help alright, win friends and influence - esp in them circles...
          kinda looks to me - being 'biased' an all - that ole mac and keating wernt 'zactly golfin/drinkin buds?

          guess thats not relevant, nope = nothing to see here, moving along.....

          Originally posted by the wikiP
          The Justice Department and the FBI began by investigation possible criminal actions by Keating, but then expanded its inquiries to include the five senators.[39] The FBI soon focused their attention on Cranston, because the largest sums of money from Keating came into Cranston-involved voter-registration drives whose tax-exempt status might have been violated.[40]

          Much of the press attention to the Keating Five focused on the relationships of each of the senators to Keating.
          Cranston had received $39,000 from Keating and his associates for his 1986 Senate re-election campaign.[4] Furthermore, Keating had donated some $850,000 to assorted groups founded by Cranston or controlled by him, and another $85,000 to the California Democratic Party.[4] Cranston considered Keating a constituent because Lincoln was based in California.[35]

          DeConcini had received about $48,000 from Keating and his associates for his 1988 Senate re-election campaign.[4] In September 1989, after the government sued Keating and American Continental for improper actions regarding contributions, DeConcini returned the money.[41] DeConcini considered Keating a constituent because Keating lived in Arizona; they were also long-time friends.[35]

          Glenn had received $34,000 in direct contributions from Keating and his associates for his 1984 presidential nomination campaign, and a political action committee tied to Glenn had received an additional $200,000.[4] Glenn considered Keating a constituent because one of Keating's other business concerns was headquartered in Ohio.[35]
          McCain and Keating had become personal friends following their initial contacts in 1981,[11] and McCain was the only one of the five with close social and personal ties to Keating.[42][43] Like DeConcini, McCain considered Keating a constituent as he lived in Arizona.[35] Between 1982 and 1987, McCain had received $112,000 in political contributions from Keating and his associates.[44] McCain and his family had made several trips at Keating's expense. McCain did not pay Keating (in the amount of $13,433) for some of the trips until years after they were taken, when he learned that Keating was in trouble over Lincoln.[7][45] In 1989 Phoenix New Times writer Tom Fitzpatrick opined that McCain was the "most reprehensible" of the five senators.[46]

          Riegle had received some $76,000 from Keating and his associates for his 1988 Senate re-election campaign.[4] Riegle later announced in April 1988 he was returning the money.[6] Riegle's constituency connection to Keating was that Keating's Hotel Pontchartrain was located in Michigan.[35]
          course him being called 'a wimp' only happened apparently after keating decided ole mac wasnt helping with PR enough, i mean, compared to cranston....

          Originally posted by the wikiP
          By spring 1992, a deck of playing cards was being marketed, called "The Savings and Loan Scandal", that featured on their face Charles Keating holding up his hand, with images of the five senators portrayed as puppets on his fingers.[7][68] Polls showed that most Americans believed the actions of the Keating Five were typical of Congress as a whole.[48] Political historian Lewis Gould would later echo this sentiment, as well as Cranston attorney Dershowitz's argument, writing that, "the real problem for the 'Keating Three' who were most involved was that they had been caught."[5] McCain testified against Keating in a civil suit brought by Lincoln bondholders, and was seen as the plaintiffs' best witness.[70] The other four senators refused to testify. (wink , this ones in the bag, chuck ;)Cranston left office in January 1993, and died in December 2000. DeConcini and Riegle continued to serve in the Senate until their terms expired, but they did not seek re-election in 1994. DeConcini was appointed by President Bill Clinton in February 1995 to the Board of Directors of the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation.
          uh huh.... and other than a few other tweaks in 1993, i guess not much has 'changed' - esp with regard to just whom is 'entrusted' to making sure the big banks and their quasi-gov facilitators in the FIre sector like fan/fred are... ummmm.... regulated and 'disciplined'

          i'd go on (and on and on and on) but i'm outa my league here and.. well... cant type very fast and just not bright enough to keep up in this kind of stuff
          Last edited by lektrode; September 21, 2013, 04:35 PM.

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          • #6
            Re: More McCain stupidity: a Putin response in Pravda

            Originally posted by c1ue View Post
            Yet another sign that this man is just a moron. By putting up a response in Pravda, he's just underlined the New York Times as the US equivalent of Pravda - and has knee jerked a me-too response to boot.

            http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/19-...r_pravda_ru-0/
            I am utterly sickened by the hypocrisy of McCain's article. On what moral ground does he or the United States have to criticize another nation for the lack of an honest government, control of wealth by a corrupt and powerful few, and for supporting tyrannical regimes?

            While the mess in Russia that McCain writes about is true, aren't we in the USA a pitch-black pot calling the Russian kettle black?

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            • #7
              Re: More McCain stupidity: a Putin response in Pravda

              I actually believe that opinion piece by McCain is well written and largely accurate. I wonder who really wrote it. C1ue's statement that McCain must be a moron because he is bolstering the argument that the NYT is on the same level as Pravda fails in my opinion. I mean, Pravda did publish McCain's argument that Putin is acting like a tyrant and that the Russian government is largely corrupt; McCain even called the Russian government a "regime." Since half or more of what is written could apply to the US government with Obama replacing Putin, it is fair to ask if such a highly critical article about the US/Obama would be published by the NYT. In other words, McCain might well be a moron, but not for publishing in Pravda. I don't know that there is that much difference between the two, and I would not want to decide which is more of a propaganda organ of their respective "regimes."
              "I love a dog, he does nothing for political reasons." --Will Rogers

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              • #8
                Re: More McCain stupidity: a Putin response in Pravda

                For a politician, McCain might be regarded as a slight over-achiever, God help us. I would remind C1ue that, in most cases, calling a politician a moron doesn't really convey any new or useful information. Also, we could easily argue for years whether bankers or politicians will have a hotter level in hell. I'm pretty sure though, that they would blame each other if the furnace broke down.

                "Banking and Politics were invented so that weak, incompetent, cowardly men could have access to women, money and power." Jehu Galt
                "I love a dog, he does nothing for political reasons." --Will Rogers

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                • #9
                  Re: More McCain stupidity: a Putin response in Pravda

                  Originally posted by photon555
                  C1ue's statement that McCain must be a moron because he is bolstering the argument that the NYT is on the same level as Pravda fails in my opinion. I mean, Pravda did publish McCain's argument that Putin is acting like a tyrant and that the Russian government is largely corrupt; McCain even called the Russian government a "regime." Since half or more of what is written could apply to the US government with Obama replacing Putin, it is fair to ask if such a highly critical article about the US/Obama would be published by the NYT. In other words, McCain might well be a moron, but not for publishing in Pravda.
                  Well, one reason why McCain is a moron is, because among other things, Pravda is not a major Russian publication any more.

                  It was a major Soviet organ of information dissemination in the Cold War era, but has long since been relegated to obscurity:

                  Site Information for pravda.ru

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                  Alexa Traffic Rank: 5,409 Traffic Rank in RU: 470

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                  To put the above in context, here are a couple other places he could have tried to publish in:

                  Site Information for gazeta.ru

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                  Alexa Traffic Rank: 1,426 Traffic Rank in RU: 62

                  Sites Linking In: 8,676

                  Site Information for rt.com

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                  Sites Linking In: 31,796
                  The New York Times web stats in comparison:

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                  Publishing in Pravda betrays McCain's dinosaur-like fixation on the Cold War.

                  Every single Russian who read it laughed out loud.

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                  • #10
                    Re: More McCain stupidity: a Putin response in Pravda

                    Originally posted by c1ue View Post
                    Well, one reason why McCain is a moron is, because among other things, Pravda is not a major Russian publication any more.
                    ....
                    Publishing in Pravda betrays McCain's dinosaur-like fixation on the Cold War.

                    Every single Russian who read it laughed out loud.
                    +1 + 1 point for mr c1ue

                    but not nearly as hard as they (likely 95%) of em are laughing at this....

                    can ya just imagine? - we got millions of people - 10s of MILLIONS in THE US - out of work, millions more 1paycheck away from the streets and we got ZILCH from them on what they might do about all this - and WHAT DO WE GET FROM HIM (the ditherer-in-chief)???

                    it would be HILARIOUS but for the fact that winter is coming and all they can come up with is MORE OF THE SAME!!!!
                    (read: pandering to the 'other' 5%, while they continue to give FREE TRILLIONS to the lwr manhattan mob)

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                    • #11
                      Re: More McCain stupidity: a Putin response in Pravda

                      Q: What's the difference between a capitalist fairy tale and a Marxist fairy tale?
                      A: The capitalist fairy tale starts out; "once upon a time there was....", The Marxist fairy tale starts out; "some day there will be...."

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                      • #12
                        Re: More McCain stupidity: a Putin response in Pravda

                        Originally posted by Woodsman View Post
                        Q: What's the difference between a capitalist fairy tale and a Marxist fairy tale?
                        A: The capitalist fairy tale starts out; "once upon a time there was....", The Marxist fairy tale starts out; "some day there will be...."
                        Very good one Woody.

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                        • #13
                          Re: More McCain stupidity: a Putin response in Pravda

                          Originally posted by Woodsman View Post
                          Q: What's the difference between a capitalist fairy tale and a Marxist fairy tale?
                          A: The capitalist fairy tale starts out; "once upon a time there was....", The Marxist fairy tale starts out; "some day there will be...."
                          Originally posted by Chris Coles View Post
                          Very good one Woody.
                          +1
                          yep - its even funnier and more memorable than:

                          "...change we can believe in...."

                          or...

                          ".. from 40000 feet, none of that looks illegal...."

                          since lots would just as soon we forget any of that being said...

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                            Re: More McCain stupidity: a Putin response in Pravda

                            Originally posted by Woodsman
                            Q: What's the difference between a capitalist fairy tale and a Marxist fairy tale?
                            A: The capitalist fairy tale starts out; "once upon a time there was....", The Marxist fairy tale starts out; "some day there will be...."
                            Actually, I'd tell it a bit differently.

                            A: The capitalist's fairy tale starts out: If only there were True Free Markets
                            while the Marxist fairy tale starts out: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need

                            Both fundamentally flawed assumptions.

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                            • #15
                              Re: More McCain stupidity: a Putin response in Pravda

                              Originally posted by Milton Kuo View Post
                              I am utterly sickened by the hypocrisy of McCain's article. On what moral ground does he or the United States have to criticize another nation for the lack of an honest government, control of wealth by a corrupt and powerful few, and for supporting tyrannical regimes?

                              While the mess in Russia that McCain writes about is true, aren't we in the USA a pitch-black pot calling the Russian kettle black?
                              That is besides the point that its not just politics, but the crossing of cultural lines. I don't think we have a history of "equal rights" either ,but it will not stop conservatives from romanticizing the past. We also do not have any tolerance for some traditional forms of homosexuality called Pederasty. Using the same method some other culture, in theory , could apply that as "oppression" to oppose it and then attacking our political system. Its not the political system in that case. That isn't to say right or wrong, but one must recognize political freedom from cultural norms aka Jefferson had slaves did he not? Is there not a political freedom vs one that is culturally imposed one? I am politically free to dress like a clown, but not culturally. Yes they threw punk rockers in jail, but then we would do the same with flashers and topless women. Again, its a convenient political attack that is exploiting cultural differences. Perhaps China is cruel to dogs because they eat them? What if I hunted and ate stray dogs in the US?


                              And capital is fleeing Russia because they emulated modern America, not early America that had few monopolies to control and finance. That is why capital is fleeing the US. It is just better disguised with the reserve currency.

                              Using Syria, which is what this is all about, is particularly galling. There is nothing to be for in Syria. McCain is either a blind cold war dinosaur or an Israeli interest puppet. There is nothing to make him fit to lead in foreign policy.

                              Lastly, as has been pointed out, he was involved in the first wave of FIRE sector corruption in the S&L crisis. The only thing I would see him do is ambassador to North Korea. I think he could do at least as well as Rodman .

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