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    A coal-burning energy plant in Bismark, N.D.


    By EDUARDO PORTER

    What would you pay to protect the world in which your great-great-grandchildren will live from hurricanes, drought and the like?

    In May, to little fanfare, the Obama administration published new estimates of the “social cost of carbon,” a dollars-and-cents measure of the future damage — from floods, pandemics, depressed agricultural productivity — that releasing each additional ton of heat-trapping carbon dioxide into the atmosphere would cost.

    The new numbers are likely to be more important than the low-key announcement would imply. They suggest climate change could cause substantially more economic harm than the government previously believed. But they also suggest there is a legitimate debate to be had about the cost of preventing it from getting worse.

    Perhaps the most startling conclusion to be drawn from the new estimates is that the sacrifice demanded of our generation to prevent vast climate change down the road may turn out to be rather small.

    The typical passenger car emits a ton of CO2 in about two and a half months of driving. Under one set of assumptions, the government’s number-crunchers determined that the damage caused by an additional ton of CO2 spewed into the air in 2015 would amount to $65 in today’s money. That’s 50 percent more than was estimated just three years ago.

    This could justify fairly aggressive policies to slow emissions of CO2. A tax of $65 per ton of CO2 to force polluters to pay for the damage would add $0.56 to a gallon of gas. Exxon, say, might have to shell out $8.1 billion to cover the 125 million tons of CO2 it spewed last year. Farms might have to pay $35 billion.

    Under a different set of assumptions, though, the social cost of carbon came out to only $13.50 a ton. This would amount to a gas tax of less than $0.12. Considering the fierce debate over what to do about climate change, this does not seem like that much money at all.

    Interestingly, the main source of the vast discrepancy between the two figures is not a disagreement about the future damages of warming.

    A 2009 review of the dozen or so existing estimates, by Richard Tol, professor of the economics of climate change at Vrije University in Amsterdam, found that studies using very different methodologies still roughly agreed on the magnitude of the impact.

    Most cost estimates clustered between 1 and 2 percent of the world’s gross domestic product (estimated at about $85 trillion today), if temperatures were to increase 2.5 degrees Celsius (4.5 degrees Fahrenheit) above the preindustrial era. A more recent estimate by William D. Nordhaus of Yale, the foremost American economist studying climate change, concluded that allowing uncontrolled carbon emissions would raise temperatures above the preindustrial era by 3.4 degrees Celsius (6.1 degrees Fahrenheit) by the end of the century and cost the world 2.8 percent of G.D.P. in 2095.

    If damages were higher than expected, the government said the social cost of carbon could rise sharply — to a whopping $123 per ton of CO2.

    The discrepancy between the estimates of the value of climate damage stem from radically different views on how much weight the people of the present should give to damages caused by the climate in the distant future.

    The estimate of $65 a ton is inspired by a moral stance: if warming will impose a cost of 1 percent of the world’s income in the future, we should spend about 1 percent of our income to prevent it — or perhaps somewhat less to account for the trend that people 100 years from now are likely to be much richer than people today.

    By contrast, $13.50 a ton comes from the business world. Essentially, it requires that spending to prevent climate change should yield at least the same rate of return, in terms of reduced damages from warming, as any other capital investment.

    The two outlooks lead to entirely different decisions. The government’s rendition of the moral approach implies that it is worth making every investment to reduce carbon emissions that has a rate of return of at least 2.5 percent, in terms of avoided damages. Businesss logic suggests that no investment should be made if the return — after taxes — is less than 5 percent.

    The moralist would try to keep the atmosphere from warming more than 2 degrees above its temperature in the preindustrial era, the agreed-upon target at the United Nations climate summit in Copenhagen four years ago. The executive would not, noting that aiming for this goal would cost trillions more than it saved.

    Think of it this way: Demanding a 5 percent return means that a dollar invested today should become at least $1.05 next year after inflation, and a little more than $1.10 the year after that. In 200 years it should be worth at least $17,292.58. Turn the logic around and we should spend $1 today to prevent climate-related damage only if it prevents damages of at least $17,292.58 two centuries down the road.

    The moralist’s bar is much lower. At 2.5 percent, spending $1 today would be justified if it prevented merely $139.56 worth of damage in 200 years.

    The debate over climate change has none of this subtlety. Senate Republicans railed against the new numbers in June, taking the opportunity to signal their skepticism about the “claims of catastrophic global warming.”

    The United States Chamber of Commerce threw its weight behind an amendment to an energy bill that passed the Republican-controlled House barring the Environmental Protection Agency from using the numbers in cost-benefit analyses to justify new regulations.

    But for all the fury of the response, the new estimates from the Obama administration suggest that the burden American citizens and businesses will be called on to shoulder is likely to be modest — because business logic is likely to prevail.

    Multiple challenges compete for the world’s resources, from economic development and ending poverty to eradicating AIDS and malaria. The climate is not the world’s only priority. Even if we were to agree that improving the well-being of future generations is worth an enormous investment, there might be better things to invest in than reducing greenhouse gas emissions.

    Most of Bangladesh is less than 33 feet above sea level. Millions of poor farmers on its alluvial plains would welcome investments to prevent melting polar ice caps and rising sea levels. But many would also welcome investments that made them richer and better able to cope with climate change, including jobs outside of agriculture and homes somewhere dry.

    As Professor Nordhaus wrote in his 2008 book, “A Question of Balance”: “Investments in reducing future climate damages to corn and trees and other areas should compete with investments in better seed, improved rotation and many other high-yield investments.” If investments in CO2 abatement are not competitive, we would do better by investing elsewhere and using the proceeds to cover warming’s damage. We would still have money left over.

    Professor Nordhaus says he prefers a 4 percent discount rate. Using it in “A Question of Balance,” he calculates that the optimal carbon tax comes in at around $11 per ton of CO2 in 2010, which is exactly the low end of the administration’s estimate of the social cost of carbon.

    Using it wouldn’t cure the planet. By the year 2100, according to his model, the earth’s temperature rises to 3.45 degrees Celsius above its level in the year 1900, and climate-related damages amount to some $17 trillion. Still, compared with doing nothing it would yield a $3 trillion return. That, he says, is the best we can do.

    But the most compelling argument that business logic will prevail has little to do with its merits. It’s simply that the world’s decision-makers are following it. Four years after committing to a 2-degree ceiling, the world’s current policies will lead us, by the end of the century, to blow past 3.

    E-mail: eporter@nytimes.com; Twitter: @portereduardo

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    Re: Global Warming: $$ Legerdemain

    The moralist would try to keep the atmosphere from warming more than 2 degrees above its temperature in the preindustrial era, the agreed-upon target at the United Nations climate summit in Copenhagen four years ago. The executive would not, noting that aiming for this goal would cost trillions more than it saved.
    First and foremost the moralist makes sure that their solution is not worse than the problem.

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      Re: Global Warming: $$ Legerdemain

      Originally posted by LorenS View Post
      First and foremost the moralist makes sure that their solution is not worse than the problem.
      +1
      something that (some in) the political class seem to be utterly blind/deaf/dumb about....

      as in: just another couple laws/regulations and a few more billion (soon to be trillion)

      and "we (they) 'can fix everything' .."

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        Re: Global Warming: $$ Legerdemain

        Sorry, but this article is just the latest attempt to justify carbon pricing.

        The sad fact is: carbon pricing doesn't work.

        In the US - the carbon credit market has collapsed.

        In Europe - the carbon credit market hasn't collapsed. Well actually, it has in pricing terms such that it is just about the same price to operate a coal fired electricity plant as it is to open a natural gas plant.

        Thus whether we're talking about 2.5% or 5% rate of return - both imaginary scenarios are false.

        They are false because the assumption being made is that there will magically be some form of alternative energy which will be carbon free if only enough money is funneled to Solyndras.

        This is utterly false because Solyndra and its solar PV and well as wind sisters are literally physically incapable of replacing existing fossil fuel energy sources. Even with 100% access to all of GDP, this would not be possible - but more importantly the 2nd and 3rd world is emitting more CO2 than ever before, with this amount increasing literally daily.

        For these nations to reverse this CO2 emissions trend, alternative energy must be cheaper than fossil fuels. You don't make things cheaper by throwing tons of money at the problem, not at least without some form of a plan.

        If you want to understand more about the scale of the problem - here's a good start:

        http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/ad...es/2013.22.pdf

        To raise the entire region of sub-Saharan Africa to the average per capita electricity access available in South Africa (which in 2010 was about 4,800 kWh, similar to the level of Bulgaria) would require 1,000 Gigawatts (GW) of installed capacity – about the equivalent electricity of 1,000 medium-sized power plants.


        ...

        In 1920, only 35% of Americans had energy access (here shown as “electricity access” defined as “household electrification” at an unspecified level of consumption). This total reached 100% by the mid-1950s or over a period of about 35 years. In contrast, Mexico was at about 35% access in 1930, and has yet to get all the way to the 100% mark. China went from 35% in 1970 to nearly 100% by about 2000, reflecting a very fast rate and in a very large nation. India is following a much shallower trajectory, going from about 25% in 1980 to 65% in 2010.

        ...

        What sorts of investments might be necessary for achieving modern energy access? Based on recent work done by Bazilian and colleagues (see “recommended readings” at the end of this article – 2010b and forthcoming), it would cost about one trillion dollars to achieve the IEA 2012 World Energy outlook definition of total global access – rising to 750 kWh per capita for new connections by 2030 - and 17 times more to achieve a level of world wide access equivalent to South Africa or Bulgaria.

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          Car C02 & other weather anomalies

          Originally posted by don View Post

          A coal-burning energy plant in Bismark, N.D.




          The typical passenger car emits a ton of CO2 in about two and a half months of driving. Under one set of assumptions, the government’s number-crunchers determined that the damage caused by an additional ton of CO2 spewed into the air in 2015 would amount to $65 in today’s money. That’s 50 percent more than was estimated just three years ago.
          A ton in 65 days, that's about 30 lb of C02 a day, 1.5 gallons.

          That's about right for 20 miles/gallon, 12000 miles/year.

          The atlantic claims that the past year had "apocalyptic" weather, which may soon be the new normal.

          The results of human induced climate change are:

          1) temperature risen 1.4 degrees F over the last 100 years.

          2) drought in great plains

          3) wild fires in australia

          4) rivers flooding in New york

          5) China: coldest winter in 28 years

          6) UK: coldest march in 51 years

          7) russia: coldest winter in 75 years.

          8) arctic: 2012 sea ice minimum lower than the 1981-2012 average.

          Three of the 8 items involve colder temperatures.

          To my knowledge, the great plains have never before experienced drought, australia wild fires, nor New York flooding rivers.

          Nor has a years ice minimum ever been below the 20 year average.

          The global C02 atmospheric exchange is about 150 giga tons. Human emissions are about 3% of that. That 3% is important if you think the other 145 GT are precisely balanced.

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            Re: Car C02 & other weather anomalies

            Originally posted by Polish_Silver View Post
            ...
            The global C02 atmospheric exchange is about 150 giga tons. Human emissions are about 3% of that. That 3% is important if you think the other 145 GT are precisely balanced.
            uh huh - precisely....
            here's but one 'little thing' that might cause some imbalance....

            Live Panorama of Kīlauea Caldera from HVO [KIcam]




            and THIS 'other little imbalance' never seems to get much attention ???

            but, dont get me wrong here - because i DO think something is happening with temps/climate - its just that i'm HIGHLY SKEPTICAL that the political class' 'solutions' are the answer - esp when we have the 'INCONVENIENT truth' of gore,kleiner,perkins et al, setting them up - to pocket BILLIONS - and accomplishing WHAT, precisely ??

            besides causing the price of survival (and energy across the board) to launch...

            i also dont believe that there is _anything_ man could do to the planet - that wouldnt be completey GONE a century after we (or more precisely, the elite/political class) have annihilated all (cept for them) human life on the planet - considering for just a second that a little over 100years ago, the logging/construction interests had harvested/cut-down nearly every tree standing in places like NH - and today (as Mr J has noted) ??

            NH is 98% or more re-forested.
            (and more significantly perhaps - precisely in places like pictured above, asphalt pavement from 50years ago is nearly completely disintegrated/GONE ?? believe it or NOT - and same happens with concrete, even, so...)

            so, i dunno what the answer is, but i do know that I DONT TRUST THE POLITICAL CLASS' "solutions"
            Last edited by lektrode; September 12, 2013, 12:18 PM.

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              Re: Car C02 & other weather anomalies

              Originally posted by Polish Silver
              To my knowledge, the great plains have never before experienced drought, australia wild fires, nor New York flooding rivers.
              You're being sarcastic right? right?

              Great Plains Drought:

              http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/drought/drght_data.html

              Not only does the NCDC - a prime alarmist haven - note several Great Plains droughts, it also notes droughts going back millenia.

              Australia wild fires:

              http://www.scribd.com/doc/24532458/W...s-in-Australia

              List starts in 1851

              New York river flooding:

              http://www.thefreelibrary.com/New+Yo...y-a01073951095

              List starts in 1889. I guarantee there were floods before then too - every time a hurricane manages to hit Manhattan, there's going to be a flood.

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                Re: Car C02 & other weather anomalies

                Originally posted by c1ue View Post
                You're being sarcastic right? right?

                Great Plains Drought:

                http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/drought/drght_data.html...
                yeah, i mean this was... like... famous:

                On April 27th, 1935, the Soil Conservation Service (SCS) was created....



                It Could Happen Again

                Scientific America recently had an article outlining how the current drought could lead to another Dust Bowl if it conintues much longer:

                ------------

                without even considering the rate we're converting whats left of our rapidly dwindling TOPSOIL resources - into ETHANOL to offset, what, 2% of oil imports???

                sheer insanity, gentlemen - absolute INSANITY.

                and is PRECISELY why i dont think the political clowns "solutions" even come close to 'the answer'

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