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  • #46
    Re: Poll- Do You Favor Obama's Syria Plan?

    What annoys me when i read the MSM coverage of this is that they will always throw up the "100 000 dead" stat as if Assad went out and mowed them all down himself or something, in order to play on peoples emotions to side with Obama on these airstrikes. I mean the guy is a fairly hardline dictator yes, but its a civil war for goodness sake. 200 000 Americans died during their civil war. Did Lincoln kill 200 000 people?


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    • #47
      Re: Poll- Do You Favor Obama's Syria Plan?

      Originally posted by verdo View Post
      What annoys me when i read the MSM coverage of this is that they will always throw up the "100 000 dead" stat as if Assad went out and mowed them all down himself or something, in order to play on peoples emotions to side with Obama on these airstrikes. I mean the guy is a fairly hardline dictator yes, but its a civil war for goodness sake. 200 000 Americans died during their civil war. Did Lincoln kill 200 000 people?

      Other than the Sunni Arabs, no one really cares about the figure. I won't pretend to care as much. It's the same when Hitler was gassing the Jews, did people really care as much as they do today at that time?

      502 or 1429 or 100,000 or 6 million - it's just statistics. In the long run, we're all dead.

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      • #48
        Re: Poll- Do You Favor Obama's Syria Plan?

        Originally posted by touchring
        Other than the Sunni Arabs, no one really cares about the figure. I won't pretend to care as much. It's the same when Hitler was gassing the Jews, did people really care as much as they do today at that time?

        502 or 1429 or 100,000 or 6 million - it's just statistics. In the long run, we're all dead.
        Yes, people do.

        http://onpoint.wbur.org/2010/04/21/g...he-death-camps

        http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/libe...0553807561#EXC

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        • #49
          Re: Poll- Do You Favor Obama's Syria Plan?

          Originally posted by touchring View Post
          Don't you get it! 502 dead vs 1429 or even if 10,000 died, what difference does it make? Numbers don't matter when it is who had died that matters.

          To prove this, had the ones being gassed were Syrian Christians, even if only 100 had died, we'll see the votes reversed and the Vatican urging Obama to take action.
          This sounds to me, Touchring, very much as Hillary Clinton sounded when being questioned about the death of Ambassador Stevens and company.

          "With all due respect, the fact is, we had four dead Americans! Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided they'd go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it make? It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again." – Clinton shouting over Wisconsin Republican Sen. Ron Johnson.

          It matters. No matter how many dead, or how few, it matters who was killed, who killed them, and how and why they killed them, whether in Benghazi, or in Syria.

          But it also true that we need to figure out what happened, and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again.

          Originally posted by c1ue View Post
          I do get that any deaths are a tragedy, but you don't seem to get that the actual party responsible matters.

          You also don't seem to get that 100,000 Syrians have been killed in the conflict thus far. The US prolonging this by providing money and arms to the rebels will lead to more deaths.

          Why is this acceptable if your view is that any death is an avoidable tragedy?
          I do not want to encourage for any reason whatsover American intervention in any civil war. It is none of our business; we don't in the least understand what they are currently fighting about, since the original rebels have joined the Assad Government in attempting to repel both the Muslim Brotherhool and Al Queda when they pushed in trying to overthrough both the Syrian Government AND the rebels.

          In addition, acting like some vengeful god in a terrible Greek Tragedy is not America's role. We are not the Policemen of the world anymore, anymore than we are a successful empire anymore. We are a bankrupt country with bad leadership that opens it mouth too often without thinking through the ramifications. We are merely a very large country with aspirations beyond our just deserts. American has behaved very badly since WWII...what country have we interfered with that really benefited by our intervention since the Marshall Plan? And even then, we were setting the beneficiaries of our largesse up to be debt slaves to us so we could get rich on their backs.

          Mostly the countries we intervened in had problems that were aggravated or caused by us, and our close allies, and then had to be settled by us, when we could settle them, which wasn't often.

          On the other hand, we are a generous nation, and give a lot of blood and treasure away for our ideals, and I approve of that. But there is no ideal being supported by a unilateral attack on Syria, just to make a point. Are we supposed to kill people for our ideals? That's ridiculous, unless someone is attacking us over those ideals.

          We keep having wars for pride, and not for self defense, and it is no wonder that 65% or more people in our country are sick of it all.

          Worse, we don't know who is to blame, or what is far more likely, that our covert ops people helped the Muslim Brotherhood or Al Qaeda attack those poor people with toxins as a false flag to set up a reason for intervention.

          NO ONE HAS ANY PROOF! Considering our satellite capabilities we should be able to have a birds eye view of who exactly did what, and we don't.

          Assad knew he was under scrutiny, and since he is making some progress against the two gangs of terrorists trying to take over Syria, there is no reason for him to kill so few people so horribly. If he was going to make a statement of ruthlessness sufficient to bring the whole world down on him, he would have gassed everyone that he knew was far enough away from from his troops, regardless of how many civilians were killed. You have to remember that their entire religion is based on death as life is often intolerable, and they take life lightly and carelessly. But Assad's been in power for ages, and he's not really that stupid. As dictators go, he is somewhat lenient, and tolerates some opposition to keep the people quiet and on board, and it's worked for years.

          AND WE HAVE NO PROOF!

          And without proof, we kill our soldiers without reason, risk our country to more radical terror attacks, kill even more Syrians without any idea if they are to blame for anything, and kill what is left of our national honor.

          As for the Christians in Syria...just who do you think was keeping them from grievious harm, particularly from Islamic extremists? You may have noticed, however, that the Muslim Brotherhood is re-running Kristal Nacht against the Christians in Egypt, and killing them as well as burning their churches and businesses by the hundreds and America doesn't even bother to mention it on the news, much less go to their rescue.

          Every life is valuable, but we don't go to war over even large amounts of them just because it would be nice, or we would have also been at war with Mao and Stalin. They massecred millions.

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          • #50
            Re: Poll- Do You Favor Obama's Syria Plan?

            I find it interesting that there is more agreement on this issue (according to the poll anyway) than on almost anything I can ever remember being discussed on itulip.

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            • #51
              Re: Poll- Do You Favor Obama's Syria Plan?

              Originally posted by DSpencer View Post
              I find it interesting that there is more agreement on this issue (according to the poll anyway) than on almost anything I can ever remember being discussed on itulip.
              There is also more agreement on this outside iTulip as well. There's a massive "This is an up with which we will no longer put" going on. Calls and emails to congress are overwhelmingly opposed to striking Syria.

              Could it be that TPTB have finally overreached themselves? What will happen if they ignore us again, the way they did with TARP and Obamacare?

              Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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              • #52
                Re: Poll- Do You Favor Obama's Syria Plan?

                Originally posted by touchring View Post
                Don't you get it! 502 dead vs 1429 or even if 10,000 died, what difference does it make? Numbers don't matter when it is who had died that matters.

                To prove this, had the ones being gassed were Syrian Christians, even if only 100 had died, we'll see the votes reversed and the Vatican urging Obama to take action.
                Wrong. The pope of course would call for international diplomacy and peaceful resolution (as he has already done). To suggest he would reach out to the bully US and call for military action that would undoubtedly result in the deaths of innocents is absurd.

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                • #53
                  Re: Poll- Do You Favor Obama's Syria Plan?

                  9 News is the Denver NBC affiliate.
                  COLUMN: Obama is a laughing stock

                  Borrowed from USA Today.

                  http://www.9news.com/news/article/35...laughing-stock

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                  • #54
                    Re: Poll- Do You Favor Obama's Syria Plan?

                    As for the Christians in Syria...just who do you think was keeping them from grievious harm, particularly from Islamic extremists? You may have noticed, however, that the Muslim Brotherhood is re-running Kristal Nacht against the Christians in Egypt, and killing them as well as burning their churches and businesses by the hundreds and America doesn't even bother to mention it on the news, much less go to their rescue.
                    There are reports of massacres of Christians by the rebels.

                    http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2...nt-attack?lite

                    http://www.bing.com/search?q=syrian+...c28bcd24&ghc=1

                    The Obama administration views war deaths just like crime deaths. Most of it is not worthy of his attention.

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                    • #55
                      Re: Poll- Do You Favor Obama's Syria Plan?

                      Originally posted by LorenS View Post
                      9 News is the Denver NBC affiliate.
                      COLUMN: Obama is a laughing stock

                      Borrowed from USA Today.

                      http://www.9news.com/news/article/35...laughing-stock
                      heheheheh.....
                      oh yeah, baybee....

                      well.... since the economic "plan" (or conspiracy, take yer pick) and POLICIES
                      have resulted in the price of food/beef etc (but not ipads) launching,
                      would propose a NEW JINGLE for healthy eating called....

                      "CROW, its whats for dinner" be started immediately


                      Originally posted by LorenS View Post
                      There are reports of massacres of Christians by the rebels.

                      http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2...nt-attack?lite

                      http://www.bing.com/search?q=syrian+...c28bcd24&ghc=1

                      The Obama administration views war deaths just like crime deaths. Most of it is not worthy of his attention.
                      well... its not fair, ya know - to make that accusation, since.... well...

                      "...from 40000feet, none of that looks illegal...."

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                      • #56
                        Re: Poll- Do You Favor Obama's Syria Plan?

                        I'll just leave this here.

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                        • #57
                          Re: Poll- Do You Favor Obama's Syria Plan?

                          Originally posted by EJ View Post
                          I'll just leave this here.
                          Like Obama left his 'gravitas' in the closet.

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                          • #58
                            Re: Poll- Do You Favor Obama's Syria Plan?

                            well... it looks like my work is done here...

                            ;)

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                            • #59
                              Re: Poll- Do You Favor Obama's Syria Plan?

                              Originally posted by EJ View Post
                              I'll just leave this here.

                              The best victory one can have is when your enemy thinks he has won.

                              Do we really think Assad will say "Hey, I'll give up my chemical weapons, come and collect them" if everything that happened in the last 10 days didn't happen?

                              Of course, whether Assad really does that is another matter so the story has not ended. Obama will probably want to keep his gun cocked in the meantime.
                              Last edited by touchring; September 10, 2013, 09:04 PM.

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                              • #60
                                Re: Poll- Do You Favor Obama's Syria Plan?

                                Originally posted by vinoveri View Post
                                Wrong. The pope of course would call for international diplomacy and peaceful resolution (as he has already done). To suggest he would reach out to the bully US and call for military action that would undoubtedly result in the deaths of innocents is absurd.

                                Yes, of course the pope won't ask for war, we're no longer in the crusader era, but you can't take all that I've said at face value. Just like Obama said "he would strike Syria"....
                                Last edited by touchring; September 10, 2013, 09:00 PM.

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