The British are NOT coming.......the British are NOT coming..........

[Mega]

Sez the New York Post.

HA Ha Ha Ha ho ho ho ho ho)

Don't worry Yanks, i see the French are going to be backing you up..........like they did at the start of WW2 when they backed us v Germany..............or how they worked hand in glove with you is South east Asia.............Ha Ha Ha Ha....

Don't forget to write.
;))
Mega

[verdo]

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lol. The british people would never be fooled twice with this crap. This whole thing is just what might trigger that next recession

[c1ue]

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lol. The british people would never be fooled twice with this crap. This whole thing is just what might trigger that next recession

I'm not so sure the next recession (or more correctly, the next snapback PCO trend switch) is avoidable.

From what I'm reading, daily oil supply is down very considerably between Nigeria unrest, Iraq pipeline attacks, and ongoing Libya production/shipping problems.

Unless a Syria 'intervention' results in attacks on Saudi oil ports, hard to see how it can get significantly worse.

[verdo]

Re: The British are NOT coming.......the British are NOT coming..........

I'm not so sure the next recession (or more correctly, the next snapback PCO trend switch) is avoidable.

From what I'm reading, daily oil supply is down very considerably between Nigeria unrest, Iraq pipeline attacks, and ongoing Libya production/shipping problems.

Unless a Syria 'intervention' results in attacks on Saudi oil ports, hard to see how it can get significantly worse.

Well you're right. What i really thought was that this Syrian war could trigger it ahead of schedule. There is this fear in the markets that the war could expand into a broader regional conflict

[c1ue]

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Well you're right. What i really thought was that this Syrian war could trigger it ahead of schedule. There is this fear in the markets that the war could expand into a broader regional conflict

There isn't much more room to expand. Russia, Iran, Hezbollah, and China have their oar in on Bashar's side while the US, France, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar have their oar in on the 'Free Syrian Army' side.

There have even been troops inserted into this on both sides: Iranian 'advisors' and Hezbollah 'freedom fighters' on one, US/UK/French special forces plus Saudi/Qatari mercenaries on the other.

Escalation beyond this - i.e. deployment of US/UK/French official troops on the ground - seems extremely unlikely as would be deployment of Qatari/Saudi troops.

The true inanity of this entire affair is that there is literally nothing (yet) to be fought over. Syria doesn't have oil, and Iraq's internal problems make any pipeline plans pure fantasy until the security situation in that country stabilizes.

[verdo]

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My understanding was that Syria is the last major ally of Iran in the region, so the fight is purely geopolitical. Take out Syria, then move towards the prize that is Iran

[c1ue]

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My understanding was that Syria is the last major ally of Iran in the region, so the fight is purely geopolitical. Take out Syria, then move towards the prize that is Iran

So what do you call Russia and China then? Enemies of Iran?

China is relatively far away, but Russia has a long, long border with Iran.

And what about Pakistan? Another enemy?

Lebanon/Hezbollah? Iraq?

[verdo]

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So what do you call Russia and China then? Enemies of Iran?

China is relatively far away, but Russia has a long, long border with Iran.

And what about Pakistan? Another enemy?

Lebanon/Hezbollah? Iraq?

Russia and China are friends of Iran, and they are involved with Syria in order to make a last stand against the U.S. before they push for the final more important objective which is Iran. If other smaller groups get involved against the U.S., it's because they see this as an opportune moment to strike back. Certainly pakistan has legitimate reasons to be pissed off with U.S. foreign policy, and its not everyday that both China and Russia have got your back.

[flintlock]

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My understanding was that Syria is the last major ally of Iran in the region, so the fight is purely geopolitical. Take out Syria, then move towards the prize that is Iran

This is the conclusion I'm leaning towards. Syria must go, just have to find the right excuse.

[touchring]

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This is the conclusion I'm leaning towards. Syria must go, just have to find the right excuse.

How will strikes against Assad let the US have Syria? Have we forgotten who is on the other side? The free Syrian army, al Qaeda, etc?

I think Obama is play acting.

[GRG55]

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How will strikes against Assad let the US have Syria? Have we forgotten who is on the other side? The free Syrian army, al Qaeda, etc?

I think Obama is play acting.

Assad doesn't run Syria. Syria is the ultimate police state, run by the military for its own benefit (it's unlike any other place I have ever been). This is why, unlike Egypt in round one, the military in Syria fought back with determination to protect itself...because it is the regime. Assad is a figurehead, and removing him won't change a damn thing.

[touchring]

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Assad doesn't run Syria. Syria is the ultimate police state, run by the military for its own benefit (it's unlike any other place I have ever been). This is why, unlike Egypt in round one, the military in Syria fought back with determination to protect itself...because it is the regime. Assad is a figurehead, and removing him won't change a damn thing.

Removing Assad alone is not going to help, but removing Assad + all his generals is going to make the military fall. No military runs without generals. This ain't Al Qaeda or some guerilla group.

But if the military falls, Al Qaeda will win wouldn't it? So this isn't a solution as well.

[Mega]

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Pressure on Cameron for new vote on Syria strikes

David Cameron is under increasing pressure to return to Parliament for another vote on British military action against Syria after the Americans postponed missile strikes for at least a week.

Last week the Prime Minister cut short his holiday and returned to Downing Street because of the situation in Syria. This week he will be under increasing pressure to return to Parliament for another vote on British military action. Photo: REUTERS








By Robert Winnett and Peter Dominiczak

10:00PM BST 01 Sep 2013


Lord Howard, a former Conservative leader, Sir Malcolm Rifkind, a former Foreign Secretary, and Lord Ashdown, a former Liberal Democrat leader, led calls to vote again on Sunday.


Sir Malcolm, the chairman of the intelligence and security committee, said the situation has “moved on dramatically now” and that the evidence is “becoming more compelling every day”.


In his Daily Telegraph column on Monday, Boris Johnson, the London mayor, also suggests another motion could be put “inviting British participation”. Mr Johnson, who has been highly sceptical of intervening in Syria, believes that Parliament has helped the international community by allowing a delay in the action for further evidence to be collected.


Signs of Labour disagreements over Ed Miliband’s response to the Syrian crisis were also beginning to emerge on Sunday.

Jim Murphy, the shadow defence secretary, became the first senior Labour figure to admit that the case against the Assad regime over last month’s chemical weapons attack was not in doubt.

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Ben Bradshaw, a former Labour Cabinet minister, suggested he would now support a second Parliamentary vote being called.

George Osborne and William Hague, Mr Cameron’s two most senior Cabinet colleagues, on Sunday appeared to rule out a second vote on Syrian action.

However, Mr Hague, the Foreign Secretary, laid out a series of conditions which would have to be met before action could be reconsidered – primarily involving Mr Miliband offering to cooperate. He also warned that if Bashar al-Assad is not confronted now it would lead ultimately to a “confrontation [which] will only be bigger and more painful.”

Since last Thursday, when MPs rejected government backing for potential military action against Syria by just 13 votes, the US administration has released detailed intelligence on Assad’s alleged involvement in a chemical weapons attack on a suburb of Damascus. A report from UN weapons inspectors is also imminent and on Sunday a new intelligence report from France suggested that Assad had amassed 1,000 tons of chemical weapons.

On Sunday, John Kerry, the US Secretary of State, said his government had now concluded that sarin gas was used in the attack, which killed 1,429 people including 426 children. The Americans set out detailed intelligence on the attack, including information about where the missiles had been fired from, telephone intercepts and other “evidence”. This compares with an overall conclusion from British intelligence last week that the Syrian leader was “highly likely” to have been responsible.

Assad said he would “confront any external aggression”.

The US government had been expected to launch cruise missile strikes over the weekend but President Obama said on Saturday that he would now be seeking the support of the US Congress, in a vote which will not happen before next week.

The revised US timetable and the emerging intelligence has led to calls from some of Britain’s most senior politicians for Parliament to be given another vote.

Many observers believe that Mr Cameron unnecessarily rushed last week’s vote without properly detailing the case for action. Dozens of MPs were away on holiday and unable to vote. A Labour “road map” plan for action was also defeated.
On Sunday, Lord Howard said: “I think Parliament, or at least the Opposition in Parliament, last week got itself into something of a muddle.” He said he hoped the US President’s speech “will give Parliament an opportunity to think again and to come to a different conclusion”.

Sir Malcolm Rifkind also backed such a prospect. “A lot of MPs, including Mr Miliband and his colleagues who voted against last Thursday, did so because they said it was premature,” he said.
“And he and our Prime Minister ought to get together and say, if we can now agree the evidence is compelling then Parliament ought to have the opportunity to debate the matter again.”

Lord Ashdown told the BBC that parliament could “reconsider its position”.

Mr Osborne said he did not believe that more evidence or the conclusion of the UN work in Syria would win over MPs. “Parliament has spoken,” he told the BBC’s Andrew Marr programme. Mr Hague also said he could not envisage the circumstances of Parliament overturning its objections.

But he added: “I think anybody looking at this objectively would see that in order for Parliament in any circumstances to come to a different conclusion then people would have to be more persuaded by the evidence …
“And the Labour leadership would have to play a less partisan and less opportunistic role and be prepared to take 'yes’ for an answer in terms of the motion that we present to the House of Commons.”

Colonel Bob Stewart, a Conservative MP and former UN Commander in Bosnia, said on Sunday night: “I don’t see how we [Parliament] can’t discuss it again.”

[reggie]

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The Brits came a long time ago. They even wrote, published and promoted a song about the affair.

[c1ue]

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This is interesting: a former British ambassador who is familiar with the UK intelligence capabilities in the Middle East out and out calls the US evidence via Israel fake:

http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archiv...dos-conundrum/

The GCHQ listening post on Mount Troodos in Cyprus is arguably the most valued asset which the UK contributes to UK/US intelligence cooperation. The communications intercept agencies, GCHQ in the UK and NSA in the US, share all their intelligence reports (as do the CIA and MI6). Troodos is valued enormously by the NSA. It monitors all radio, satellite and microwave traffic across the Middle East, ranging from Egypt and Eastern Libya right through to the Caucasus. Even almost all landline telephone communication in this region is routed through microwave links at some stage, picked up on Troodos.

Troodos is highly effective – the jewel in the crown of British intelligence. Its capacity and efficiency, as well as its reach, is staggering. The US do not have their own comparable facility for the Middle East. I should state that I have actually been inside all of this facility and been fully briefed on its operations and capabilities, while I was head of the FCO Cyprus Section in the early 1990s. This is fact, not speculation.

It is therefore very strange, to say the least, that John Kerry claims to have access to communications intercepts of Syrian military and officials organising chemical weapons attacks, which intercepts were not available to the British Joint Intelligence Committee.

On one level the explanation is simple. The intercept evidence was provided to the USA by Mossad, according to my own well placed source in the Washington intelligence community. Intelligence provided by a third party is not automatically shared with the UK, and indeed Israel specifies it should not be.

But the inescapable question is this. Mossad have nothing comparable to the Troodos operation. The reported content of the conversations fits exactly with key tasking for Troodos, and would have tripped all the triggers. How can Troodos have missed this if Mossad got it? The only remote possibility is that all the conversations went on a purely landline route, on which Mossad have a physical wire tap, but that is very unlikely in a number of ways - not least nowadays the purely landline route.

Israel has repeatedly been involved in the Syrian civil war, carrying out a number of illegal bombings and missile strikes over many months. This absolutely illegal activity by Israel- which has killed a great many civilians, including children - has brought no condemnation at all from the West. Israel has now provided “intelligence” to the United States designed to allow the United States to join in with Israel’s bombing and missile campaign.

The answer to the Troodos Conundrum is simple. Troodos did not pick up the intercepts because they do not exist. Mossad fabricated them. John Kerry’s “evidence” is the shabbiest of tricks. More children may now be blown to pieces by massive American missile blasts. It is nothing to do with humanitarian intervention. It is, yet again, the USA acting at the behest of Israel.