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  • The Link Between Gut Bacteria and Mental Illness

    http://www.theverge.com/2013/8/21/45...e-your-stomach

    Gut feelings: the future of psychiatry may be inside your stomach

    The right combination of stomach microbes could be crucial for a healthy mind...

    ... “The gut is really your second brain,” Greenblatt said. “There are more neurons in the GI tract than anywhere else except the brain.”

    Greenblatt’s provocative idea — that psychiatric woes can be solved by targeting the digestive system — is increasingly reinforced by cutting-edge science. For decades, researchers have known of the connection between the brain and the gut. Anxiety often causes nausea and diarrhea, and depression can change appetite. The connection may have been established, but scientists thought communication was one way: it traveled from the brain to the gut, and not the other way around.

    But now, a new understanding of the trillions of microbes living in our guts reveals that this communication process is more like a multi-lane superhighway than a one-way street. By showing that changing bacteria in the gut can change behavior, this new research might one day transform the way we understand — and treat — a variety of mental health disorders. ...

    ... In a study led by Cryan, anxious mice dosed with the probiotic bacterium Lactobacillus rhamnosus (JB-1) showed lower levels of anxiety, decreased stress hormones, and even an increase in brain receptors for a neurotransmitter that’s vital in curbing worry, anxiety, and fear. John Bienenstock, a co-author on that study, compared the probiotics’ effects to benzodiazepines like Valium and Xanax. “The similarity is intriguing. It doesn’t prove they both use the same pathway [in the brain], but it’s a possibility.”
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    Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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    Re: The Link Between Gut Bacteria and Mental Illness

    think - acid reflux . . . and its pharmaceutical treatments

    brain dead - gut dead?

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    • #3
      Re: The Link Between Gut Bacteria and Mental Illness

      Originally posted by don View Post
      think - acid reflux . . . and its pharmaceutical treatments

      brain dead - gut dead?

      as a now regular popper of the purple pill (prilosec), am beginning to wonder if it isnt t'other way round: gut dead = brain dead ;)

      am looking into the 'outpatient proceedure' called TIF, since i'm also getting rather tired of 'going to the library' 3x/day, which seems to be just ONE of the purps little side effects - altho i've tried the probiotics route b4, didnt seem to have any noticable effects in that dept

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        Re: The Link Between Gut Bacteria and Mental Illness

        Originally posted by lektrode View Post
        as a now regular popper of the purple pill (prilosec), am beginning to wonder if it isnt t'other way round: gut dead = brain dead ;)

        am looking into the 'outpatient proceedure' called TIF, since i'm also getting rather tired of 'going to the library' 3x/day, which seems to be just ONE of the purps little side effects - altho i've tried the probiotics route b4, didnt seem to have any noticable effects in that dept
        Have you investigated or tried any natural treatments for acid reflux? Those proton pump inhibitors were never intended to be used for more than a few weeks. If you take them for too long, there's a rebound of excess acid production when the drug wears off that can eat a hole in your stomach. They can also cause nutritional deficiency.

        Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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          Re: The Link Between Gut Bacteria and Mental Illness

          yep - am aware of these 'other' side effects (usually only need to pop em every other day or3) and have also tried the diet change route - and why i'm now ready to check out the TIF proceedure - since the side effects of the purps are causing me concern about longterm results - esp since the purps dont really 'fix' anything - but alas, us po' workin stiffs dont get much 'reward' at the end of the proverbial day, sides a good meal (read: meat/fat/salt-infested) a few cold ones and maybe some good jazz (or stevie ray vaughn or alan jackson/garth brooks, depending on the mood ;)

          that and giving up all that 'good stuff' (fat, caffein, chocolate, booze etc) just seems a bit draconian - so am hoping a techno-fix will accomplish the goal (short of becoming a vegetarian tee-totaler)
          Last edited by lektrode; August 23, 2013, 01:35 PM.

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            Re: The Link Between Gut Bacteria and Mental Illness

            Originally posted by lektrode View Post
            as a now regular popper of the purple pill (prilosec), am beginning to wonder if it isnt t'other way round: gut dead = brain dead ;)
            Thanks for fixing that, lek. It was my original, misbegotten intent . . .

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            • #7
              Re: The Link Between Gut Bacteria and Mental Illness

              Originally posted by lektrode View Post
              as a now regular popper of the purple pill (prilosec), am beginning to wonder if it isnt t'other way round: gut dead = brain dead ;)

              am looking into the 'outpatient proceedure' called TIF, since i'm also getting rather tired of 'going to the library' 3x/day, which seems to be just ONE of the purps little side effects - altho i've tried the probiotics route b4, didnt seem to have any noticable effects in that dept

              I have found different probiotic brands have differing effects on my body. Tried some of the store bought stuff, noticed nothing. Then I tried VSL3, that was a noticible change, for the better, after a couple off less than fun days as my body adjusted.

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                Re: The Link Between Gut Bacteria and Mental Illness

                Anyone wonder why Iodine was removed from bread flour, water and milk and replaced with bromide, chlorine (or chloramine) and flouride? Oh, and why the push to inject Soy into our diets at every point in the food chain, using one of our favorite financial criminals to do the marketing promo: Mike Milkin?

                Here's a short vids that I just found through a quick search that serves as another basic intro....



                And as far as the following quote excerpt is concerned, has anyone ever wondered about the impact of mass pasturization of dairy products has had on the level of good bacteria in human digestive systems?

                ... In a study led by Cryan, anxious mice dosed with the probiotic bacterium Lactobacillus rhamnosus (JB-1) showed lower levels of anxiety, decreased stress hormones, and even an increase in brain receptors for a neurotransmitter that’s vital in curbing worry, anxiety, and fear. John Bienenstock, a co-author on that study, compared the probiotics’ effects to benzodiazepines like Valium and Xanax.
                Last edited by reggie; August 23, 2013, 06:02 PM.
                The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge ~D Boorstin

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                  Re: The Link Between Gut Bacteria and Mental Illness

                  Originally posted by reggie View Post
                  Anyone wonder why Iodine was removed from bread flour, water and milk and replaced with bromide, chlorine (or chloramine) and flouride? Oh, and why the push to inject Soy into our diets at every point in the food chain, using one of our favorite financial criminals to do the marketing promo: Mike Milkin?

                  ...

                  And as far as the following quote excerpt is concerned, has anyone ever wondered about the impact of mass pasturization of dairy products has had on the level of good bacteria in human digestive systems?
                  Excellent points, Reggie. Fluoride and Soy are also thyroid-suppressive. Major symptoms of hypothyroidism are depression (treat with anti-depressants), weight gain and obesity (treat with drugs, heart surgery, diabetes medications), elevated cholesterol (treat with dangerous statins), chronic fatigue (go on disability because there is no "known" treatment), body pain (Tylenol, Motrin, Vicodin), etc...

                  Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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                    Re: The Link Between Gut Bacteria and Mental Illness

                    Originally posted by shiny! View Post
                    Excellent points, Reggie. Fluoride and Soy are also thyroid-suppressive. Major symptoms of hypothyroidism are depression (treat with anti-depressants), weight gain and obesity (treat with drugs, heart surgery, diabetes medications), elevated cholesterol (treat with dangerous statins), chronic fatigue (go on disability because there is no "known" treatment), body pain (Tylenol, Motrin, Vicodin), etc...
                    And they even sneak-in chlorine and flouride into anti-depressants... adding insult to injury.

                    Oh, and we'd die if we didn't have enough cholesterol. How we've been convinced that cholesterol is "bad" is amazing. It's just so much more complicated than this.

                    When you're iodine deficient, your thyroid can't work. Your body increases cholesterol production to try and force hormone production and thyroid function. Instead of checking your thyroid, the doc writes a script for some toxic, brain killing statin.

                    http://www.sparkpeople.com/myspark/t...22376x36459581
                    I find the nutrition/health/medical industry to be one of the best examples of how propaganda infiltrates every aspect of society and simply destroys any public understanding of the underlying issues. Everything is so conflated now that it has become almost impossible to engage in a conversation with someone about diet, nutrition and health. Yet, docs arrogantly write scripts at hyper-speed and ruthlessly dismiss any non-medical-school discussion of the human-food-environment system.

                    I want to cry everytime I see a mother feeding their infant soy-based formula and only hope the child can escape Autism. I've tried many times to educate concerned and confused mothers, only to hear them say that they must wait to check with their pediatrician before making any changes to their child's diet. Of course, not understanding the pediatrician's "limits".
                    Last edited by reggie; August 23, 2013, 06:49 PM.
                    The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge ~D Boorstin

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                    • #11
                      Re: The Link Between Gut Bacteria and Mental Illness

                      Originally posted by lektrode View Post
                      that and giving up all that 'good stuff' (fat, caffein, chocolate, booze etc) just seems a bit draconian - so am hoping a techno-fix will accomplish the goal (short of becoming a vegetarian tee-totaler)
                      Here's my 2 cents . . . .

                      The health of your intestinal flora depends on what you feed them. Regular probioitic use is unnecessary if you are providing your intestinal flora with the proper diet required for them to thrive.

                      Eat as humans did for thousands of years before the industrialization of food, and you'll be giving yourself and your intestinal flora what Nature "intended" for your body. That means no food produced in a factory or with added chemicals. It includes meat, grains, vegetables, nuts, seeds, fruit and water, all produced and prepared in the most "natural" way possible. It does not include sugar, white flour, hydrogenated oils, factory livestock products and chemical additives.

                      Since you have already damaged your digestive system, you may need to experiment and avoid certain foods for awhile until your intestinal health recovers and you can digest healthy foods. Go to westonaprice.org for more info. (Disclosure: I have no financial connection with these folks.)
                      raja
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                        Re: The Link Between Gut Bacteria and Mental Illness

                        Originally posted by lektrode View Post
                        that and giving up all that 'good stuff' (fat, caffein, chocolate, booze etc) just seems a bit draconian - so am hoping a techno-fix will accomplish the goal (short of becoming a vegetarian tee-totaler)
                        What Raja said! And read the book The Great Cholesterol Myth to learn how saturated fat and cholesterol have been demonized by doctors and "nutrition experts" - to the detriment of your health but to the huge benefit of Big Agriculture and Big Pharma.

                        A lot of people have acid reflux because their stomachs don't produce enough acid. This often happens as we get older. The theory I've read (don't know if it's true or not) is that without sufficient acid, the sphincter at the base of the esophagus doesn't close completely. Then even a tiny bit of acid splashing up into the esophagus is painful, causing people to take antacids and acid blockers, which begins a vicious cycle.

                        Naturopaths sometimes recommend taking a teaspoon to a tablespoon of Bragg's Apple Cider Vinegar in some water before meals. You can add a teaspoon of raw honey for flavor if you don't like the taste of vinegar. My husband had GERD and refused to go on Prilosec, Zantax, etc. This worked for him.

                        Instead of apple cider vinegar, many people take a capsule of Betaine HCl with meals to supplement the stomach acid.

                        BTW, some Braggs Apple CIder Vinegar in a glass of water is super refreshing on hot, hot days, and from personal experience it also helps gout flareups.

                        Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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                          Re: The Link Between Gut Bacteria and Mental Illness

                          my other half (the nurse) does the braggs daily - more on this in awhile ms shiny! - gotta get my saturday omelette goin
                          ;)

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                            Re: The Link Between Gut Bacteria and Mental Illness

                            Here's the book that alerted me to the Cholesterol Myth in 1998:
                            The Cholesterol Myths

                            The guy who wrote it has several peer-reviewed articles -- not a lightweight.
                            (I'm not saying the book that Shiney! recommended is deficient in any way; I've not read it so I don't have an opinion):

                            Uffe Ravnskov was born 1934 in Copenhagen, Denmark. He graduated in 1961 from the University of Copenhagen with an M.D, but has worked most of his time as a clinician and a researcher in Sweden, where he got his PhD from the University of Lund. He has published more than 100 papers and letters critical of the cholesterol campaign; most of them in major medical journals. Honoured by the Skrabanek Award 1999 given by Trinity College of Dublin, Ireland for original contributions in the field of medical skepticism, and by the 2007 Leo-Huss-Walin Prize for Independent Thinking in Natural Sciences And Medicine. He is a member of the editorial board of two medical journals and is the creator and spokesman of THINCS, The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics (www.thincs.org), an organization that includes more than 100 researchers and other university graduates from all over the world. More details about Uffe Ravnskov are available on www.ravnskov.nu/uffe

                            This book is good because it also elucidates the general research scam that infects modern science . . . care more about getting your research grant than helping humanity. Read this, and you'll understand why medicine constantly has to revise "the truth" it promulgates . . . .
                            raja
                            Boycott Big Banks • Vote Out Incumbents

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                            • #15
                              chugging whole milk?

                              Originally posted by shiny! View Post
                              What Raja said! And read the book The Great Cholesterol Myth to learn how saturated fat and cholesterol have been demonized by doctors and "nutrition experts" - to the detriment of your health but to the huge benefit of Big Agriculture and Big Pharma.

                              A.

                              Does any of this mean I should go back to drinking whole milk instead of non-fat milk?

                              Interestingly the american pediatrics association now recommends whole milk for young children because of the cholesterol content!

                              What a switch from the late 1970's !

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