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  • Zero Hedge: March 27, 1983

    The warning signs were all there. Long, long ago they were all right there. Reading this article from the New York Times, published when I was just five years old, brings forth emotions of frustration, disappointment and even a sense of resentment. Resentment that many of those that came before us knew about all of this and basically did nothing. While those were my initial reactions, those negative emotions have turned into a strong sense of resolve and purpose. Many of us that are faced with the challenge of changing this messed up world we live in had very little to do with its creation, but that’s ok. This is our destiny and it is our duty.


    There are several key takeaways from this article.


    First, and most importantly, sophisticated spy technologies with little oversight will ALWAYS be abused. This is not just the case today, but it was the case in the 1950?s, 60?s and 70?s as well. As the article points out, “the N.S.A. between 1952 and 1974 developed files on approximately 75,000 Americans” and “the agency also developed files on civil-rights and antiwar activists, Congressmen and other citizens who lawfully questioned Government policies.”

    Second, no institution should ever be trusted to come clean on what they are up to. The N.S.A. has a long history of lying to everyone and anyone who questions it. It is only when leaks of their unconstitutional practices are made public that they cease any surreptitious activities (or at least pretend to).

    Third, the most dangerous thing we can allow is the union of “public” and “private” intelligence security functions. These inevitably merge into one giant totalitarian nightmare such as what we suffer from today.
    The writing was on the wall long ago. It’s time to finally deal with this problem once and for all. Below are some choice excepts from this excellent New York Times article:


    THE SILENT POWER OF THE N.S.A.
    By David Burnham
    Published: March 27, 1983

    A Federal Court of Appeals recently ruled that the largest and most secretive intelligence agency of the United States, the National Security Agency, may lawfully intercept the overseas communications of Americans even if it has no reason to believe they are engaged in illegal activities. The ruling, which also allows summaries of these conversations to be sent to the Federal Bureau of Investigation, significantly broadens the already generous authority of the N.S.A. to keep track of American citizens.

    Over the years, this virtually unknown Federal agency has repeatedly sought to enlarge its power without consulting the civilian officials who theoretically direct the Government, while it also has sought to influence the operation and development of all civilian communications networks. Indeed, under Vice Adm. Bobby Ray Inman, N.S.A. director from 1977 to 1981, the agency received an enlarged Presidential mandate to involve itself in communications issues, and successfully persuaded private corporations and institutions to cooperate with it.

    Yet over the three decades since the N.S.A. was created by a classified executive order signed by President Truman in 1952, neither the Congress nor any President has publicly shown much interest in grappling with the far-reaching legal conflicts surrounding the operation of this extraordinarily powerful and clandestine agency. A Senate committee on intelligence, warning that the N.S.A.’s capabilities impinged on crucial issues of privacy, once urged that Congress or the courts develop a legislative or judicial framework to control the agency’s activities. In a nation whose Constitution demands an open Government operating according to precise rules of fairness, the N.S.A. remains an unexamined entity. With the increasing computerization of society, the conflicts it presents become more important. The power of the N.S.A., whose annual budget and staff are believed to exceed those of either the F.B.I. or the C.I.A., is enhanced by its unique legal status within the Federal Government. Unlike the Agriculture Department, the Postal Service or even the C.I.A., the N.S.A. has no specific Congressional law defining its responsibilities and obligations. Instead, the agency, based at Fort George Meade, about 20 miles northeast of Washington, has operated under a series of Presidential directives. Because of Congress’s failure to draft a law for the agency, because of the tremendous secrecy surrounding the N.S.A.’s work and because of the highly technical and thus thwarting character of its equipment, the N.S.A. is free to define and pursue its own goals.

    According to an unpublished analysis by the House Government Operations Committee, the N.S.A. may have employed 120,000 people in 1976 when armed-services personnel were included in the official count. (According to a letter from the Joint Chiefs of Staff, overseas listening posts numbered 2,000.) In comparison, the F.B.I. had one employee for every six working for the N.S.A. The House report also estimated that the agency’s annual expenditures were as high as $15 billion.

    During the course of the investigation, its chairman, Senator Frank Church, repeatedly emphasized his belief that the N.S.A.’s intelligence-gathering activities were essential to the nation’s security. He also stressed that the equipment used to watch the Russians could just as easily ”monitor the private communications of Americans.’‘ If such forces were ever turned against the country’s communications system, Senator Church said, ”no American would have any privacy left. … There would be no place to hide.”

    The N.S.A. gradually developed a ”watch list” of Americans that included those speaking out against the Vietnam War.

    According to the subsequent investigation by the Senate Intelligence Committee, a total of 1,200 Americans were targeted by the N.S.A. between 1967 and 1973 because of their political activities. The subjects – chosen by the F.B.I., the Secret Service, the C.I.A. and the Defense Intelligence Agency -included members of radical groups, celebrities and ordinary citizens. When it appeared that Congress might learn about the eavesdropping, the surveillance halted.

    The records obtained by the committee indicate that from the project’s earliest stages, both Government officials and corporate executives understood that the surveillance flatly violated a Federal law against intercepting or divulging telegrams. Certainly, they were aware that such interception violated the Fourth Amendment, guaranteeing against unreasonable searches and seizures, which also holds that a court warrant can be issued only when there is probable cause to believe a crime has been committed.

    Using the information thus gathered, the N.S.A. between 1952 and 1974 developed files on approximately 75,000 Americans, some of whom undoubtedly threatened the nation’s security. However, the agency also developed files on civil-rights and antiwar activists, Congressmen and other citizens who lawfully questioned Government policies. For at least 13 of the 22 years the agency was building these files, the C.I.A. had access to them and used the data in its Operation Chaos, another computerized and illegal tracking system set up during the Vietnam War. At its peak, the Chaos files had references to more than 300,000 Americans.

    Certainly, precedent had been established in 1971, when the N.S.A. was the lead agency in the Nixon Administration’s attempt to stop newspapers from printing the Pentagon Papers, the bureaucratic history of the war in Vietnam. After blocking publication for 15 days, the Supreme Court ruled that the Government had failed to show why the material should not be published and that ”without compelling reasons” prior restraint would be an unreasonable infringement of the freedom of the press.

    Until that time, the Federal Government sought to control and protect only those military and diplomatic secrets that had been declared confidential, secret or top secret under a long-established and formally prescribed classification procedure. But now, President Carter had decided to create a huge new category of material worthy of Government protection: information that ”would be useful to an adversary.”

    A few years before, the director of the National Science Foundation, Richard C. Atkinson, and Inman had begun privately discussing whether the role of the spy agency in supervising cryptographic research should be expanded. The precise outcome of the talks remains murky, but the N.S.A. apparently won the debate. Today, the National Science Foundation routinely allows the N.S.A. to review any request for the funding of cryptographic research.

    Speaking before the annual meeting of the American As-sociation for the Advancement of Science last year, Inman said that other areas where restrictions were required because publication of certain ”technical information could affect the national security in a harmful way. Examples include computer hardware and software, other electronic gear and techniques, lasers, crop projections and manufacturing procedures.”

    The American Association for the Advancement of Science passed a brief resolution on the day Inman spoke: ”Whereas freedom and national security are best preserved by adherence to the principles of openness that are a fundamental tenet of both American society and the scientific process, be it resolved that the A.A.A.S. opposes governmental restrictions on the dissemination, exchange or availability of unclassified knowledge.”

    Every day, in almost every area of culture and commerce, systems and procedures are being adopted by private companies and organizations as well as by the nation’s security leaders that make it easier for the N.S.A. to dominate American society should it ever decide such action is necessary.
    Well ladies and gentlemen, the N.S.A. has already decided to dominate. It is now our duty to deal with this unconstitutional perversion before it’s too late.

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    Re: Zero Hedge: March 27, 1983

    Resentment that many of those that came before us knew about all of this and basically did nothing.
    Plenty of people tried, Don. Mostly they were dismissed as cranks, commies and conspiracy theorists.

    I don't have the data, but anecdotally it seems to me that most Americans who knew about it were just fine with the surveillance and the harassment when Hoover, Helms and Nixon targeted peace and civil rights activists during the 60s and into the 70s. "Who cares about a bunch of longhaired America-hatin' agitators anyway, right? Besides, they'd never turn that against us loyal Americans?"

    Never say never.

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    • #3
      Re: Zero Hedge: March 27, 1983

      Originally posted by Woodsman View Post
      Plenty of people tried, Don. Mostly they were dismissed as cranks, commies and conspiracy theorists.

      I don't have the data, but anecdotally it seems to me that most Americans who knew about it were just fine with the surveillance and the harassment when Hoover, Helms and Nixon targeted peace and civil rights activists during the 60s and into the 70s. "Who cares about a bunch of longhaired America-hatin' agitators anyway, right? Besides, they'd never turn that against us loyal Americans?"

      Never say never.
      Notwithstanding the great work done by MLK and others in removing the multitudes of repressions perpetrated against blacks in this county and the civil rights movement in general in the 60's, I would say that the targeting you referred to certainly backfired, and that many of those hippie-long-haired American-hating protesters found careers in the academies and became grey-haired American hating professors and a minority of which (many piggy-backers on the real principled activist) parleyed the civil rights movement success into successful careers of fighting the "isms" of the culture , e.g., sexism, anti-environmentalism, and any perceived negativity (read differing opinions) against groups of individuals or causes (homophobia is the lastest clarion to action) - thus giving rise to the political correctness and paradoxically, libertine yet totalitarian culture that exists in the great academies in the USA. I submit that students over the last generation have been trained to put up with "go along to get along", keep your mouth shut and don't disagree with what your taught (read: learn what we think not how to think). Those hippies may have done some good in the 60s, but the culture of license, practical atheism and sentimental morality sowed the seeds for where we are now. The society can't find its way out of morass it has stumbled into because it has the wrong map.

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      • #4
        Re: Zero Hedge: March 27, 1983

        It seems we disagree on just about every point. Respectfully, I'm going to leave you the last word on this. We start from such divergent (and likely incompatible) premises that debate seems pointless. All we would do is annoy each other and for goodness sake there's too much of that in life already.

        Peace be with you.

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        • #5
          Re: Zero Hedge: March 27, 1983

          as to

          "Third, the most dangerous thing we can allow is the union of “public” and “private” intelligence security functions. These inevitably merge into one giant totalitarian nightmare such as what we suffer from today."

          from The Guardian today

          http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...companies-paid

          "The disclosure that taxpayers' money was used to cover the companies' compliance costs raises new questions over the relationship between Silicon Valley and the NSA. Since the existence of the program was first revealed by the Guardian and the Washington Post on June 6, the companies have repeatedly denied all knowledge of it and insisted they only hand over user data in response to specific legal requests from the authorities."

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          • #6
            Re: Zero Hedge: March 27, 1983

            Originally posted by Thailandnotes View Post
            as to

            "Third, the most dangerous thing we can allow is the union of “public” and “private” intelligence security functions. These inevitably merge into one giant totalitarian nightmare such as what we suffer from today."

            from The Guardian today

            http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...companies-paid

            "The disclosure that taxpayers' money was used to cover the companies' compliance costs raises new questions over the relationship between Silicon Valley and the NSA. Since the existence of the program was first revealed by the Guardian and the Washington Post on June 6, the companies have repeatedly denied all knowledge of it and insisted they only hand over user data in response to specific legal requests from the authorities."
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silico...ary_technology

            Roots in radio and military technology

            The San Francisco Bay Area had long been a major site of United States Navy research and technology. In 1909, Charles Herrold started the first radio station in the United States with regularly scheduled programming in San Jose. Later that year, Stanford University graduate Cyril Elwell purchased the U.S. patents for Poulsen arc radio transmission technology and founded the Federal Telegraph Corporation (FTC) in Palo Alto. Over the next decade, the FTC created the world's first global radio communication system, and signed a contract with the Navy in 1912.[5]

            In 1933, Air Base Sunnyvale, California, was commissioned by the United States Government for use as a Naval Air Station (NAS) to house the airship USS Macon in Hangar One. The station was renamed NAS Moffett Field, and between 1933 and 1947, U.S. Navy blimps were based there.[10] A number of technology firms had set up shop in the area around Moffett Field to serve the Navy. When the Navy gave up its airship ambitions and moved most of its west coast operations to San Diego, the National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics (NACA, forerunner of NASA) took over portions of Moffett Field for aeronautics research. Many of the original companies stayed, while new ones moved in. The immediate area was soon filled with aerospace firms, such as Lockheed.
            Last edited by Slimprofits; August 23, 2013, 10:56 PM.

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            • #7
              Re: Zero Hedge: March 27, 1983

              Originally posted by Woodsman View Post
              It seems we disagree on just about every point. Respectfully, I'm going to leave you the last word on this. We start from such divergent (and likely incompatible) premises that debate seems pointless. All we would do is annoy each other and for goodness sake there's too much of that in life already.

              Peace be with you.
              I'm sorry to hear that you disagree totally with vinoveri's post because I have read it three times and find myself in total agreement with his assessment.

              I have great respect for you,
              Woodsman, and sometime agree with you, but if this is truly what you believe then perhaps from now on I should say "peace be with you".


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              • #8
                Re: Zero Hedge: March 27, 1983

                Originally posted by Raz View Post
                I'm sorry to hear that you disagree totally with vinoveri's post because I have read it three times and find myself in total agreement with his assessment.

                I have great respect for you, Woodsman, and sometime agree with you, but if this is truly what you believe then perhaps from now on I should say "peace be with you".
                +2

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                • #9
                  Re: Zero Hedge: March 27, 1983

                  Originally posted by Woodsman View Post
                  It seems we disagree on just about every point. Respectfully, I'm going to leave you the last word on this. We start from such divergent (and likely incompatible) premises that debate seems pointless. All we would do is annoy each other and for goodness sake there's too much of that in life already.

                  Peace be with you.
                  And peace be with you Woodsman. We obviously have different wordlviews and our respective life experiences and what we've read over our lives most assuredly impacts how we see things. I hope you would agree that everyone has biases and blind spots, and the imprecision of language and emotional intonations tend to result in a reflexive "you're with me or against me" categorization (which I infer from your post and clearly elements in mine- although not my intent which was more to stimulate discussion and to try and identify some common ground). I think we may have common ground on recognizing the disenfranchisement of the poor for instance which I've seen you post on. The largest challenge I've found in dialoging with others who seem diametrically opposed on some issues is coming to agreement on first principles - which usually fails either b/c the other has none or it is dogma completely contrary to my own (e.g. atheism v theism, objective truth and free will vs. subjective relativism and materialistic determinism). If we can't agree on Some first principles or that there even are any principles that dialog is difficult. Peace to you.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Zero Hedge: March 27, 1983

                    I simply don't care to argue when there's an ontological gap so wide that it seems impassible. I'm an older man with more days behind me than ahead. I see my friends dying off year by year and I'm tired. I'm tired of fighting the same fight over and over again. I'm not going to change anyone's mind. It's exhausting playing out the same ideological Punch and Judy show time and again and I'm not going to do it anymore. Things are as they are and my notions of what is right and good and ought to be are immaterial.

                    But first principles indeed. That is what brings me here almost every day. I'm doing my best to figure out how it works regardless as to interest, opinion, preference or ideology. I don't know of anybody who that does that better than EJ and it's my privilege to support it. You gentlemen are free to read and associate with whomever you please. I tell you in sincerest honesty that I'm genuinely humbled by your attention each and every time you are generous enough to share it with me. I'm here to learn and there so much more to learn in the time I have left. And I don't need adversaries, I need friends.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Zero Hedge: March 27, 1983

                      Originally posted by Woodsman View Post
                      .....
                      But first principles indeed. That is what brings me here almost every day. I'm doing my best to figure out how it works regardless as to interest, opinion, preference or ideology. I don't know of anybody who that does that better than EJ and it's my privilege to support it. You gentlemen are free to read and associate with whomever you please. I tell you in sincerest honesty that I'm genuinely humbled by your attention each and every time you are generous enough to share it with me. I'm here to learn and there so much more to learn in the time I have left. And I don't need adversaries, I need friends.

                      very nicely/eloquently put, mr woodsman.
                      all i can say to that is
                      +1
                      and its also why i thoroughly enjoy reading you and your interaction with the group - tween you, dcarrigg et al, those of us on the other side (perhaps not as far over as perceived) of 'the fence' do come to common ground

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                      • #12
                        Re: Zero Hedge: March 27, 1983

                        Originally posted by Woodsman View Post
                        I simply don't care to argue when there's an ontological gap so wide that it seems impassible. I'm an older man with more days behind me than ahead. ...

                        ...I tell you in sincerest honesty that I'm genuinely humbled by your attention each and every time you are generous enough to share it with me. I'm here to learn and there so much more to learn in the time I have left. And I don't need adversaries, I need friends.
                        No one has to agree with me to be my friend, and I do consider you a friend, or at the very least a good acquaintance.
                        I've learned from you and when we've sparred it has "sharpened my scissors", and you do have my respect.

                        Yet when I think back to some things you've said in the past it tends to make me agree that the idealogical divide is so deep and wide there's no practical hope of closing it.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Zero Hedge: March 27, 1983

                          Originally posted by lektrode View Post
                          very nicely/eloquently put, mr woodsman.
                          all i can say to that is
                          +1
                          and its also why i thoroughly enjoy reading you and your interaction with the group - tween you, dcarrigg et al, those of us on the other side (perhaps not as far over as perceived) of 'the fence' do come to common ground
                          If only I could flag this exchange as a mandatory read before people posted their views. This thread exemplifies as well as anything why I'm willing to pay for iTulip even though this is in the free section. While most every other internet forum on societal or political topics degenerates in it being Obama's or Bush's fault by the 4th post; this shows how these things should work. Your honest and respectful exchange benefits the larger audience, and stimulates me to question my own view. A sincere thank you for showing again how it should be done.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Zero Hedge: March 27, 1983

                            Originally posted by Woodsman View Post
                            I simply don't care to argue when there's an ontological gap so wide that it seems impassible. I'm an older man with more days behind me than ahead. I see my friends dying off year by year and I'm tired. I'm tired of fighting the same fight over and over again. I'm not going to change anyone's mind. It's exhausting playing out the same ideological Punch and Judy show time and again and I'm not going to do it anymore. Things are as they are and my notions of what is right and good and ought to be are immaterial.

                            But first principles indeed. That is what brings me here almost every day. I'm doing my best to figure out how it works regardless as to interest, opinion, preference or ideology. I don't know of anybody who that does that better than EJ and it's my privilege to support it. You gentlemen are free to read and associate with whomever you please. I tell you in sincerest honesty that I'm genuinely humbled by your attention each and every time you are generous enough to share it with me. I'm here to learn and there so much more to learn in the time I have left. And I don't need adversaries, I need friends.
                            got here in 1999. keep coming back as it's the only place i know of with guys like you & raz & don & jk & grg & & &...

                            but why?

                            secret of itulip?

                            management.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Zero Hedge: March 27, 1983

                              Originally posted by Woodsman View Post
                              I simply don't care to argue when there's an ontological gap so wide that it seems impassible. I'm an older man with more days behind me than ahead. I see my friends dying off year by year and I'm tired. I'm tired of fighting the same fight over and over again. I'm not going to change anyone's mind. It's exhausting playing out the same ideological Punch and Judy show time and again and I'm not going to do it anymore. Things are as they are and my notions of what is right and good and ought to be are immaterial.

                              But first principles indeed. That is what brings me here almost every day. I'm doing my best to figure out how it works regardless as to interest, opinion, preference or ideology. I don't know of anybody who that does that better than EJ and it's my privilege to support it. You gentlemen are free to read and associate with whomever you please. I tell you in sincerest honesty that I'm genuinely humbled by your attention each and every time you are generous enough to share it with me. I'm here to learn and there so much more to learn in the time I have left. And I don't need adversaries, I need friends.
                              I am just impressed that you know that there are ontological gaps. Often just explaining a position is taken as a defense of it. People are not rational beings. Repeat, they are not. I almost never reach the point of presenting an argument. Cannot even get past identifying the logical flaws, straw-men, basic inaccuracies, and abstractions. Why bother?

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