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    And what ordinary people can do about it

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07...encys_conduct/

    As part of the NSA's ongoing mission to research the finer arts of computer security, it funds and promotes a lot of academic research. And on July 18 it announced the winner of its first Science of Security (SoS) competition after a distinguished academic panel had considered 44 entries covering the latest academic output on the topic.

    The winner was Google security engineer Dr. Joseph Bonneau for his paper, "The Science of Guessing: Analyzing an Anonymized Corpus of 70 Million Passwords", which was hailed by Dr. Patricia Muoio, chief of the NSA research directorate's trusted systems research group, as "an example of research that demonstrates a sound scientific approach to cybersecurity."

    But in a personal blog post the next day, Bonneau said that while he was honored by the award, he had "conflicted feelings" about accepting it in light of the NSA's conduct in industrial-scale snooping into private data, adding that he was "ashamed we've let our politicians sneak the country down this path."

    "In accepting the award," he said, "I don't condone the NSA's surveillance. Simply put, I don't think a free society is compatible with an organisation like the NSA in its current form."

    Since then, Bonneau has been speaking out on the issue on Twitter, and on Sunday set up an account on Reddit to take questions from all and sundry. He said that he fears the current focus on the extent of NSA activities will be swept under the carpet as a normal "scandal", a few people will be fired, and nothing else will change.

    Security expert he may be, but photographer he ain't

    The biggest problem is that there can't be reasoned debate on the topic, he said, because no one knows what's being collected, how long it is being stored for, and for what purposes it is used. The uncertainty is also hurting companies – like his employer – who were looking to expand cloud services but have their servers under US jurisdiction.

    "We'll kill the golden goose if other countries think US corporations can't be trusted with their data due to the local government, particularly when the law provides virtually no protection from eavesdropping for foreigner's data held by US companies," Bonneau said. "Can we honestly tell people in other countries that they should trust all of their data with US companies?"


    Companies such as Google, Microsoft, and Facebook collect large amounts of data, he said, but such commercial systems are opt-in, unlike government surveillance. Companies also operate under the laws of the countries in which they operate, and he said that EU privacy laws were a good – if flawed – example of privacy oversight.

    Not all of Europe got praise, however. Bonneau said he was "very dismayed" about the UK government's recently announced plans for a default anti-porn censorship shield from ISPs. (Although some have told the government where they can stick their shield.)

    What's needed are public hearings, he suggested, with a root-and-branch pruning of the top NSA administration and their overseers, changes to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, and a proper independent review. If his going public moved the conversation 0.0001 per cent further, that's fantastic, he said.

    In the meantime, end-to-end encryption will at least protect the content of messages, if not the metadata around them. PGP is a good idea, he said, especially coupled with Tor anonymity. He also recommended CryptoCat and mobile apps from TextSecure/RedPhone or SilentCircle.

    When it comes to browsers, Bonneau recommends using Firefox or Chrome with HTTPS Everywhere downloaded. Steer clear of Internet Explorer, he suggests, because it is lagging in HTTPS support.

    As for passwords – Bonneau's area of expertise – he recommends not bothering with them for little-used websites. Simply bash in 30 or so random characters into the password field and use a password reset if you want access at a later date. For day-to-day sites use a standard password, and for important websites use a string of at least 12 random characters, and preferably phone authentication.

    Bonneau said he has respected the NSA staff he had met, saying they were smart people who stuck by the rules set for them by their political masters, but that the current system isn't compatible with a civilized society and informed debate is needed.


    "It's very hard to predict which direction society will change, though history shows we often underestimate the scale of changes that are possible," he said.

    "One of my favorite books is King Leopold's Ghost, which describes conditions in the Congo Free State barely over 100 years ago. The human rights violations are unfathomable today, yet changing them at the time was a crazy idea."

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    Re: NSA award recipient on NSA conduct

    It doesn't matter if all of the people who comprise the Beast are well intentioned. The Beast will still eat your flesh and drink your blood without the least compunction. It's the nature of the Beast.
    "I love a dog, he does nothing for political reasons." --Will Rogers

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      Originally posted by photon555 View Post
      It doesn't matter if all of the people who comprise the Beast are well intentioned. The Beast will still eat your flesh and drink your blood without the least compunction. It's the nature of the Beast.
      112 years ago, Mill wrote the following:

      Originally posted by John Stewart Mill
      There is, in fact, no recognised principle by which the propriety or impropriety of government interference is customarily tested. People decide according to their personal preferences. Some, whenever they see any good to be done, or evil to be remedied, would willingly instigate the government to undertake the business; while others prefer to bear almost any amount of social evil, rather than add one to the departments of human interests amenable to governmental control. And men range themselves on one or the other side in any particular case, according to this general direction of their sentiments; or according to the degree of interest which they feel in the particular thing which it is proposed that the government should do, or according to the belief they entertain that the government would, or would not, do it in the manner they prefer; but very rarely on account of any opinion to which they consistently adhere, as to what things are fit to be done by a government. And it seems to me that in consequence of this absence of rule or principle, one side is at present as often wrong as the other; the interference of government is, with about equal frequency, improperly invoked and improperly condemned.


      It seems to me that we may be stuck on this question in perpetuity.

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        The answer has been known for a very long time -just difficult to consistently maintain over time: LIMITED GOVERNMENT WITH VERY LIMITED POWERS.

        See these quotes from Jefferson. http://www.famguardian.org/Subjects/...rson/jeff4.htm

        "Aware of the tendency of power to degenerate into abuse, the
        worthies of our country have secured its independence by the
        establishment of a Constitution and form of government for our
        nation, calculated to prevent as well as to correct abuse."
        --Thomas Jefferson to Washington Tammany Society, 1809.

        "[The purpose of a written constitution is] to bind up the several
        branches of government by certain laws, which, when they
        transgress, their acts shall become nullities; to render
        unnecessary an appeal to the people, or in other words a rebellion,
        on every infraction of their rights, on the peril that their
        acquiescence shall be construed into an intention to surrender
        those rights." --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia, 1782. Q.XIII
        Last edited by vinoveri; July 31, 2013, 01:01 PM.

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          I prefer this quote from Jefferson. I think it illustrates how far he differs from the Chuck and Dave Koch version of feudalism at Cato and Reason and Mercatus and Hoover that masquerades as freedom today:

          Originally posted by Thomas Jefferson
          The Natural Aristocracy


          Thomas Jefferson, to John Adams


          Monticello, October 28, 1813

          I agree with you that there is a natural aristocracy among men. The grounds of this are virtue and talents. Formerly, bodily powers gave place among the aristoi [aristocrats]. But since the invention of gunpowder has armed the weak as well as the strong with missile death, bodily strength, like beauty, good humor, politeness, and other accomplishments, has become but an auxiliary ground for distinction. There is also an artificial aristocracy, founded on wealth and birth, without either virtue or talents; for with these it would belong to the first class. The natural aristocracy I consider as the most precious gift of nature, for the instruction, the trusts, and government of society. And indeed, it would have been inconsistent in creation to have formed man for the social state, and not to have provided virtue and wisdom enough to manage the concerns of the society. May we not even say, that that form of government is the best, which provides the most effectually for a pure selection of these natural aristoi into the offices of government? The artificial aristocracy is a mischievous ingredient in government, and provision should be made to prevent its ascendency.?I think the best remedy is exactly that provided by all our constitutions, to leave to the citizens the free election and separation of the aristoi from the pseudo-aristoi [pseudoaristocrats], of the wheat from the chaff. In general they will elect the really good and wise. In some instances, wealth may corrupt, and birth blind them, but not in sufficient degree to endanger the society.

          At the first session of our legislature after the Declaration of Independence, we passed a law abolishing entails [limitations on the inheritance of property to a specified succession of heirs]. And this was followed by one abolishing the privilege of primogeniture [the eldest child?s exclusive right of inheritance], and dividing the lands of intestates equally among all their children, or other representatives. These laws, drawn by myself, laid the ax to the foot of pseudoaristocracy. And had another which I prepared been adopted by the legislature, our work would have been complete. It was a bill for the more general diffusion of learning. This proposed to divide every county into wards of five or six miles square, like your townships; to establish in each ward a free school for reading, writing, and common arithmetic; to provide for the annual selection of the best subjects from these schools, who might receive, at the public expense, a higher degree of education at a district school; and from these district schools to select a certain number of the most promising subjects, to be completed at a university, where all the useful sciences should be taught. Worth and genius would thus have been sought out from every condition of life, and completely prepared by education for defeating the competition of wealth and birth for public trusts?.

          With respect to aristocracy, we should further consider, that before the establishment of the American States, nothing was known to history but the man of the old world, crowded within limits either small or overcharged, and steeped in the vices which that situation generates. A government adapted to such men would be one thing, but a very different one, that for the man of these States. Here every one may have land to labor for himself, if he chooses; or, preferring the exercise of any other industry, may exact for it such compensation as not only to afford a comfortable subsistence, but wherewith to provide for a cessation from labor in old age. Every one, by his property, or by his satisfactory situation, is interested in the support of law and order. And such men may safely and advantageously reserve to themselves a wholesome control over their public affairs, and a degree of freedom, which, in the hands of the canaille [the masses] of the cities of Europe, would be instantly perverted to the demolition and destruction of everything public and private. The history of the last twenty-five years of France, and of the last forty years in America, nay of its last two hundred years, proves the truth of both parts of this observation.

          But even in Europe a change has sensibly taken place in the mind of man. Science had liberated the ideas of those who read and reflect, and the American example had kindled feelings of right in the people. An insurrection has consequently begun, of science, talents, and courage, against rank and birth, which have fallen into contempt. It has failed in its first effort, because the mobs of the cities, the instrument used for its accomplishment, debased by ignorance, poverty, and vice, could not be restrained to rational action. But the world will recover from the panic of this first catastrophe. Science is progressive, and talents and enterprise on the alert. Resort may be had to the people of the country, a more governable power from their principles and subordination; and rank, and birth, and tinsel-aristocracy will finally shrink into insignificance, even there. This, however, we have no right to meddle with. It suffices for us, if the moral and physical condition of our own citizens qualifies them to select the able and good for the direction of their government, with a recurrence of elections at such short periods as will enable them to displace an unfaithful servant, before the mischief he meditates may be irremediable.

          A constitution has been acquired, which, though neither of us thinks perfect, yet both consider as competent to render our fellow citizens the happiest and the securest on whom the sun has ever shone. If we do not think exactly alike as to its imperfections, it matters little to our country, which, after devoting to it long lives of disinterested labor, we have delivered over to our successors in life, who will be able to take care of it and of themselves.

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            The antifederalists were right and the bastard Hamilton got his bank, his debt and his aristocracy. We live in Hamilton's America.

            As for Jefferson, we put up pictures and statues and then ignore the substance of everything he said or wrote. How else to reconcile the words in his memorial with news of ubiquitous surveillance and all that rot:

            "I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."

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              Originally posted by Woodsman View Post

              "I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."
              except slavery.

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                Originally posted by dcarrigg View Post
                Originally posted by Thomas Jefferson
                A constitution has been acquired, which, though neither of us thinks perfect, yet both consider as competent to render our fellow citizens the happiest and the securest on whom the sun has ever shone. If we do not think exactly alike as to its imperfections, it matters little to our country, which, after devoting to it long lives of disinterested labor, we have delivered over to our successors in life, who will be able to take care of it and of themselves.

                About that last part....our bad.

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                • #9
                  Re: NSA award recipient on NSA conduct

                  And Miss Hemmings.

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                  • #10
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                    ahh yes - the ole liberal guilt trip.

                    why oh why, in the ONLY country on the planet that has even attempted to address the issue - (never mind paid dearly for it)
                    do some still keep harping on this now old and weary topic?

                    asks an american of irish ancestry

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                      Me, I feel no guilt whatsoever. Honestly, I'm not at all sure what issue you mean exactly; race? And I kicked off the liberal/conservative ladder so long ago it's funny.

                      Anyway, I meant nothing more than an aside and poor attempt at wit. I didn't expect a kind of Spanish Inquisition.

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                        its ok woody - and good comeback! - but the race card is (still) being used far too frequently, in these daze of 'post racial' america.

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                        • #13
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                          Originally posted by lektrode View Post
                          its ok woody - and good comeback! - but the race card is (still) being used far too frequently, in these daze of 'post racial' america.
                          I don't think that pointing out that a historical figure was a slave owner counts as "playing the race card".

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                          • #14
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                            Originally posted by DSpencer View Post
                            I don't think that pointing out that a historical figure was a slave owner counts as "playing the race card".
                            on that particular post, perhaps not - but taken together with that series of posts - me being the type who at least attempts to 'connect the dots' (unlike most of the lamestream media, unless and until it suits the purposes of The(ir) Agenda) - lets just say that things were headed in that direction - and i'll take woody's reply at face value: it was a joke.

                            but here's where i have a problem: virtually any time someone (and i'm not saying this happens a lot here) brings up one of the founders or their quotes - we (in the us) have this undercurrent of 'chearleaders' who are a bit too quick on the trigger to either refute what was quoted or make every attempt to, if not slander outright, denigrate their every action or statement - and it seems to happen virtually any time jefferson's (in particular) actions or statements get brought up - why i call this 'the liberal guilt trip'

                            its also why they cant help themselves (not making any accusations re the above) in using the race card at every opportunity - and the chattering class of the liberal wing makes especially 'good' use of it at _every_ opportunity - IMO, its what cost hilary the nomination on the prev round (and tho i wouldnt have voted for her, still say she wouldve been a far better choice)

                            and whether this (below) particular statement/quote of jefferson's is 100% factual or not, i couldnt really give a damn, as it is certainly 100% true today (and the ONLY thing that matters):

                            "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered...I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."

                            as is this one:

                            "My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government."

                            and this one is also quite appropriate, whether he said it not:

                            "When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty."

                            is all i'm sayin.

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                              You know, the best book I've read about what happened to liberalism in America is Chris Hedges "Death of the Liberal Class." I guess you could call it a sort of insider's critique and the man spares no punches. Of course, Hedges is more of a democratic socialist - about the loneliest political affiliation one could have these days - and something of a liberal apostate. Great read.

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