NSA,CIA,FBI.............you were warned in 1967

[Mega]

[reggie]

Re: NSA,CIA,FBI.............you were warned in 1967

Here is the proper way to interpret the key exchange....

The Prisoner: Who is Number 1?
No 2: You are, No 6.

Notice the comma? That little bit of punctuation is never emphasized in this very illuminating introduction. However, it significantly alters one interpetation of what No 2 is telling the Prisoner. In short, No. 2 is telling No. 6 that it is he (No. 6) who is No. 1.

The message to the viewer is that it is the public who is the real No. 1, that it is we who alter our perceptions of the world - as the result of highly scientific propaganda techniques - and based upon those perceptions the public inacts a given future.

If one understands the above exchange, then one can begin to properly frame the Technocratic Society we've entered, and why this system is so critical to managing the public mind.

Patrick McGoohan was 100yrs ahead of his time. It's unfortunate that his show's followers seemed to grasp so little of the messages being delivered.

[reggie]

Re: NSA,CIA,FBI.............you were warned in 1967

Furthermore, the reason that "Information" is repeatedly sought is because, as famous Cybernetician Gregory Bateson defined it, "information is a difference which makes a difference." In an Autopoetic system (ie closed system), understanding differences that make a difference allows one to modify those differences, and thereby modify the closed system with the greatly leverage.

You can read more at...

Information and Consciousness: A Critique of the Mechanistic Concept of Information
by Søren Brier:
http://www.imprint.co.uk/C&HK/vol1/v1-23sbr.htm

[bungee]

Re: NSA,CIA,FBI.............you were warned in 1967

This is the letter google put out

This morning we sent the following letter to the offices of the Attorney General and the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Read the full text below. -Ed.

Dear Attorney General Holder and Director Mueller

Google has worked tremendously hard over the past fifteen years to earn our users’ trust. For example, we offer encryption across our services; we have hired some of the best security engineers in the world; and we have consistently pushed back on overly broad government requests for our users’ data.

We have always made clear that we comply with valid legal requests. And last week, the Director of National Intelligence acknowledged that service providers have received Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) requests.

Assertions in the press that our compliance with these requests gives the U.S. government unfettered access to our users’ data are simply untrue. However, government nondisclosure obligations regarding the number of FISA national security requests that Google receives, as well as the number of accounts covered by those requests, fuel that speculation.

We therefore ask you to help make it possible for Google to publish in our Transparency Report aggregate numbers of national security requests, including FISA disclosures—in terms of both the number we receive and their scope. Google’s numbers would clearly show that our compliance with these requests falls far short of the claims being made. Google has nothing to hide.

Google appreciates that you authorized the recent disclosure of general numbers for national security letters. There have been no adverse consequences arising from their publication, and in fact more companies are receiving your approval to do so as a result of Google’s initiative. Transparency here will likewise serve the public interest without harming national security.

We will be making this letter public and await your response.

David Drummond
Chief Legal Officer

The definition of unfettered is unrestrained, free from restrictions or bonds

So if google said to the NSA "don't download more than 1PB from our servers each day" then they are correct the NSA does not have unfettered access, but to all intensive purposes it is.

As google scans emails to identify suitable adverts then I imagine that searching the ad profile for each account may tell you a lot about the person. You probably wouldn't even need to read the emails to identify persons of interest.

I wounder what sort of ads a typical terrorist gets sent by google?

[vinoveri]

Re: NSA,CIA,FBI.............you were warned in 1967

This is the letter google put out
We have always made clear that we comply with valid legal requests. And last week, the Director of National Intelligence acknowledged that service providers have received Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) requests.

Assertions in the press that our compliance with these requests gives the U.S. government unfettered access to our users’ data are simply untrue. However, government nondisclosure obligations regarding the number of FISA national security requests that Google receives, as well as the number of accounts covered by those requests, fuel that speculation.

We therefore ask you to help make it possible for Google to publish in our Transparency Report aggregate numbers of national security requests, including FISA disclosures—in terms of both the number we receive and their scope. Google’s numbers would clearly show that our compliance with these requests falls far short of the claims being made. Google has nothing to hide.

Read it carefully and you'll see it specifically calls out and addresses "valid legal requests" and compliance thereto. It mentions nothing else, e.g., non-FISA collaboration/collusion etc.

[thriftyandboringinohio]

Re: NSA,CIA,FBI.............you were warned in 1967

Read it carefully and you'll see it specifically calls out and addresses "valid legal requests" and compliance thereto. It mentions nothing else, e.g., non-FISA collaboration/collusion etc.

There is also the possibility that Google or Facebook or Twitter may have been penetrated in a covert operation, and corporate leadership is unaware that the intelligence agencies are taking as much as they are.

[Adeptus]

Re: NSA,CIA,FBI.............you were warned in 1967

There is also the possibility that Google or Facebook or Twitter may have been penetrated in a covert operation, and corporate leadership is unaware that the intelligence agencies are taking as much as they are.

People, there is no need to penetrate any of these companies, although that is not outside the scope of NSA's capabilities. All that is required is to listen in on the fiber backbones that feed these companies and siphon off all the data to NSA's data centers. The NSA has been doing this (backbone listening in), for YEARS. Please see "Room 641A" (Wikipedia), where the NSA was caught in 2006 to at least be siphoning data from an AT&T data backbone (note the article suggests they had at least 10-20 more rooms in the USA at the time)

The very likely reason their program was called "PRISM", is because fiber optic cables transmit data via photons/light. In the past decade or so, the telecom industry has figured out that they can actually transmit at the same data rate (i.e. 10Gigabits/sec) but on many different channels *simultaneously* simply by ensuring the photons travelling down the same fiber optic cable are transmitted on different wavelengths (aka. different colors of light: red, blue, green, etc). This has allowed for Telephone companies to extract massive ROI from all their fiber optic backbones because now the same fiber that was installed to transmit say 10Gigabits/sec of data, can now transmit 60, 120, or even in extreme cases 400 Gbits/sec (soon it may even be 4,000Gigabits/sec! 100x40). The way by which this is done is called WDM or the latest version DWDM (Dense Wave Division Multiplexing). Here is a picture of one such device (note it has 1 incoming fiber optic cable/connector and 40 outputs).



These are not very expensive devices either, we're talking a few thousand dollars, although this one is a bit more high end.

So what does this have to do with the NSA? Well, they simply go to all the Tier1 Service providers (basically the largest Telephone companies in the world... there's less than 50 of these in the entire world that essentially see over 80% of all Internet traffic GLOBALLY), and from a manhole or telephone poll, or in some cases probably even under the ocean floor, without permission and "tap" in on the fiber optic cables and essentially do a real-time mirroring (copy/paste) of all the data and send it back to their Head Quarters/Data Center without anyone being the wiser. This (Scenario 2, in the diagram below) can be done with a slightly modified WDM/DWDM type device that essentially acts as an optical prism. The way it was done in the AT&T Central Office, was with a fiber optic "tap" which is basically a similar concept except that it may retransmit on the same wavelength/color, but out a different port that would head to the NSA's data center.

"...the Fiber Tap HD8 maintains permanent access ports for monitoring tools, without introducing a point of failure or interfering with network connections.....enables the delivery of full-duplex monitoring with 100 percent network traffic visibility"

Here's a quick (30 minute) diagram I put together that explains what I mean.
1) At the top of the diagram we have the Internet users/subscribers (i.e. YOU)
2) They have internet access from their ISP such as AT&T or Quest etc.
3) On the top left I show you doing a google query which takes the dotted green line all the way to google and then back the same way.
4) You'll notice in scenario 1, an optical tap inside an AT&T Central Office mirrors all your data to the NSA in real time
5) In Scenario 2, pretty much the same thing is done, except it can be done without AT&T's permission or even knowledge by installing a PRISM-like device called a WDM/DWDM anywhere between the ISP and the major company such as google or facebook.

Now you understand why Mark Zuckerburg and the CEO of Google etc say that as far as they know, the NSA does not have "direct" access to the user's data, and they can easily claim there is no backdoor in their data centers to the NSA... why? Because the NSA doesn't need any of that to get all the data. It really is this simple, believe me, I've been designing large networks for nearly 2 decades, some of them on a National scale.

The diagrams I show are only for 3 or 4 ISPs in the USA, but the same could be done on a GLOBAL scale! This is not science fiction, it is very possible to do, even many years ago. Scenario 2 would most likely be implemented against the backbones of foreign nations where access to their Tier1 ISP's would not be easily acquired.

SCENARIO#1



SCENARIO#2

[vt]

Re: NSA,CIA,FBI.............you were warned in 1967

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...-of-firms.html

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...ical_opponents

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...sons-computer/

[Adeptus]

Re: NSA,CIA,FBI.............you were warned in 1967

For those of you interested in learning how you can minimize having your Internet communications monitored by PRISM/NSA, please have a look at this website where popular software options provided by the big boys (left side) have more secure alternative options that are mostly free (right side). The only catch is that some of these alternatives may not be as user friendly as the popular options that spy on you, but are still quite usable for the most part, so check them out.

http://prism-break.org

Note: Most of these solutions do not prevent the NSA or anybody else with similar resources to acquire your internet communications on the fly as I explained in my previous post. These solutions rely on the fact that they are not (yet) popular and thus less likely to be spied on - although if you live in the USA, don't count on it. They also likely do not have agreements with NSA to collaborate by sharing user data (as per VT's URL post above). Lastly, some of these tools make a point to include encryption to make it more difficult for NSA like organizations to see what you are doing exactly.

[reggie]

Re: NSA,CIA,FBI.............you were warned in 1967

Why is it assumed that the parties behind the NSA (and alphabet soup agencies) have different interests than the interests behind / running Silicon Valley tech companies? The NSA would only need to "tap" corporate data if (1) these party's interested were not aligned; (2) the NSA's goals were not being met by the existing private systems. So, let's answer some key questions first:

(i) who are the people behind these various private and public organizations?
(ii) what are these people's interests, beliefs and resulting agendas?
(iii) do these people's agendas overlap? If so, how?
(iv) what is the impact on society of the existing private tech infrastructure, and what marginal impact does the so-called NSA "tapping" create? Is this marginal benefit necessary for the NSA to achieve it's leader's goals?