Boston Marathon - why is Obama quickly deporting the Saudi suspect?

[Ellen Z]

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No one has "rights" as a "citizen".... "Citizen" based rights presumes that ones rights are granted by gov't. But in reality, gov't has no authority to issue rights, they merely exist to protect rights endowed by our creator.

___ July, 1776, Declaration of Independence
___ 1981 Articles of Confederation ratified by all the states.
___ 1987, United States Constitution drafted, ratified by eleven states, took effect in March, 1789.

The first ten amendments to the Constitution are known as the Bill of Rights; they were ratified by three-fourths of the states in 1791.

The Sixth Amendment says:
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

It seems to me we have these rights as citizens because many people, more than 200 years ago, took the time to think carefully about what sort of system would work for the long run... talked with others about it, wrote down their best ideas, and won general agreement for those ideas. We inherit the fruit of their efforts.

[reggie]

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___ July, 1776, Declaration of Independence
___ 1981 Articles of Confederation ratified by all the states.
___ 1987, United States Constitution drafted, ratified by eleven states, took effect in March, 1789.

The first ten amendments to the Constitution are known as the Bill of Rights; they were ratified by three-fourths of the states in 1791.

"Bill of Rights" is an eggregious misnomer. The US Constitution never confered righs onto any individual, but were established by the people to constrain gov't.

The Sixth Amendment says:
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

It seems to me we have these rights as citizens because many people, more than 200 years ago, took the time to think carefully about what sort of system would work for the long run... talked with others about it, wrote down their best ideas, and won general agreement for those ideas. We inherit the fruit of their efforts.

This was the people establishing rules to ensure that the gov't did not infringe on an individuals inalienable right to life liberty and pursuit of happiness via incarceration.without trial.

Our rights come from God, not a piece of paper created by other men.

This media talk of Miranda Rights in this Boston event is wand waving.

[jk]

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i was impressed that throughout the course of the investigation and search, and even after a firefight, chase, and pipe bombs thrown at pursuing police, these guys were still referred to [at least in the ny times] as "SUSPECT #1" and "SUSPECT #2."

[lakedaemonian]

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LE = law enforcement
EOD = ????? NEST = ????? CBRN = ?????



Here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXrLf...ature=youtu.be
or http://youtu.be/RXrLf0qoiKI

EOD = Explosive Ordinance Disposal

NEST = Nuclear Emergency Support Team

CBRN = Chemical Biological Radiological Nuclear

Those two certainly look the part of Feds with the deserts, pants, jackets, ballcaps, bearing. Everything about them screams .MIL or former .MIL

[Guest]

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[QUOTE=EJ

Civilian defense works as well as it does in the U.S. because Americans are civilized as is our police force. This must infuriate those who try to stir us to violence. It's hopeless. They can never turn the U.S. into a state of violence.[/QUOTE]

I wonder what Rodney King would say.....
perhaps armed guards in schools are a sign of a highly advanced civilization

How civilized the Brits were had nothing to do with what happened in India. Perhaps it is necessary to review the colonization of Africa. They let go of India because they were tired, overextended and BROKE

[c1ue]

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1) Media's "murder of the real", creating propanda vectors that leave the public believing in fantasy and hate;
2) A food industry that deploys the latest in bioscience to suppress human function and dramatically shorten lifespans;
3) An education system designed to create authoritarian personailities, suppress individuality, and sub-human intellect;
4) And of course, military (overt & covert) and intelligence agencies operating to enforce global economic dominace and implement long term strategy.

Ah, the latest installment from the NWO.

The media isn't just a bunch of scandal-mongering, owner political objective, profit seeking prostitutes, it is executing the secret plan of "insert here" cabal.

The food industry isn't trying to make money, it is trying to shorten lifespans and make us stupid. Clearly it is failing miserably in the former, while stupidity (when not a result of malnutrition) is generally a social phenomenon. Certainly I've never, ever seen any documented examples of stupidity due to too much nutrition.

The education industry - oops, most of it isn't an industry. It is a public utility. The part which is an industry - the various online diploma mills - again it is unclear if the goal there is to instill respect for authority as opposed to outright profit plundering.

And the last point: the US military and intelligence agencies are all working to some master plan, with reams of data coupled to amazing analysis. That's why the US has engaged in 2 overseas adventures which have accomplished nothing except spend a lot of money and lives, build up hate at a societal level to the US in multiple societies, increase energy prices, and permit semi-educated, poorly funded, sectarianly divided peasants to learn how to combat high technology with cell phone explosives and real life phishing (i.e. social disguise) attacks.

[EJ]

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I wonder what Rodney King would say.....
perhaps armed guards in schools are a sign of a highly advanced civilization

How civilized the Brits were had nothing to do with what happened in India. Perhaps it is necessary to review the colonization of Africa. They let go of India because they were tired, overextended and BROKE

A civilized country may do uncivilized things, just as a wise and moral man will do stupid and immoral things. The British are said to be responsible for a number of famines in India during the time of British rule. But does this make the British system of civil law less civilized than civil law under Mussolini's rule in Italy?

What matters is the relatively consistent pattern of behavior exhibited that determines likely future behavior. Law, culture, and history are the primary drivers.

In the case of the U.S., the perpetrator of a mass killing is unlikely to be slaughtered in a staged shootout as is the case in Saudi Arabia. He is more likely to be captured. A particularly troublesome journalist may die in prison in Russia under suspicious circumstances, but this is highly unlikely to occur in the U.S. A "corrupt" politician in China who gets on the wrong side of laws that are applied differentially by the courts is more likely to find himself in a mobile executions van than a corrupt politician in the U.S., if for no other reason because there are no mobile executions vans in the U.S. And so on and so forth.

Vigilance plays an important role in protecting American constitutional law and a law enforcement culture that protects civil liberties. Constant pressure on those who would tend to reduce our freedoms is a necessary part of protecting them. But it is worthwhile to take a moment from time to time to appreciate the reality that the U.S. is far from a police state. In fact, I think one of the difficult discussions that will come out of this is the apparent decision by the FBI to put the civil liberties of the perpetrators ahead of those of their eventual victims. The Russian government notified the FBI in 2011 to question the older brother. They did but determined that he was not a threat. Then the FBI closed the file and did not track him. I imagine that if I was a family member of one of the victims of the attack or a survivor who was gravely injured, or both in the case of the mother of the eight-year-old who was killed, rather than a police state I might take the view that law enforcement needs to adapt to balance civil liberties protections quite differently in response to new threats.

[Guest]

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With respect, you are comparing apples and oranges. This guy was captured alive for a reason- information that could
prevent further atrocities. The ex cop in California who went nuts was treated rather differently and met a gruesome end. I wish people would stop commenting on corruption in EM countries when things a not so rosy in the old democracies

[Mega]

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Perhaps Eric would like to go on "Alex Jones"...?
;))
Mega

[ProdigyofZen]

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EOD = Explosive Ordinance Disposal

NEST = Nuclear Emergency Support Team

CBRN = Chemical Biological Radiological Nuclear

Those two certainly look the part of Feds with the deserts, pants, jackets, ballcaps, bearing. Everything about them screams .MIL or former .MIL

Craft International if it was started by Chris Kyle then I know it was funded by Kyle Bass here in Dallas. Chris Kyle and Kyle Bass were personal friends and Bass has done a lot to help the troops. I know that Bass helped Chris Kyle start his business.

[cobben]

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Craft International if it was started by Chris Kyle then I know it was funded by Kyle Bass here in Dallas. Chris Kyle and Kyle Bass were personal friends and Bass has done a lot to help the troops. I know that Bass helped Chris Kyle start his business.

Here we go, straight from the horses mouth (and produced in Sweden!).

There is another version of who bombed Boston Marathon
Kavkaz Centre (www.kavkazcenter.com) is a Chechen internet agency which is independent, international and Islamic.


According to an American information portal Natural News, the Boston Marathon could have been blown up by an FBI affiliated American military organization "The Craft".

. . .

[reggie]

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A civilized country may do uncivilized things, just as a wise and moral man will do stupid and immoral things. The British are said to be responsible for a number of famines in India during the time of British rule. But does this make the British system of civil law less civilized than civil law under Mussolini's rule in Italy?

What matters is the relatively consistent pattern of behavior exhibited that determines likely future behavior. Law, culture, and history are the primary drivers.

In the case of the U.S., the perpetrator of a mass killing is unlikely to be slaughtered in a staged shootout as is the case in Saudi Arabia. He is more likely to be captured. A particularly troublesome journalist may die in prison in Russia under suspicious circumstances, but this is highly unlikely to occur in the U.S. A "corrupt" politician in China who gets on the wrong side of laws that are applied differentially by the courts is more likely to find himself in a mobile executions van than a corrupt politician in the U.S., if for no other reason because there are no mobile executions vans in the U.S. And so on and so forth.

Vigilance plays an important role in protecting American constitutional law and a law enforcement culture that protects civil liberties. Constant pressure on those who would tend to reduce our freedoms is a necessary part of protecting them. But it is worthwhile to take a moment from time to time to appreciate the reality that the U.S. is far from a police state. In fact, I think one of the difficult discussions that will come out of this is the apparent decision by the FBI to put the civil liberties of the perpetrators ahead of those of their eventual victims. The Russian government notified the FBI in 2011 to question the older brother. They did but determined that he was not a threat. Then the FBI closed the file and did not track him. I imagine that if I was a family member of one of the victims of the attack or a survivor who was gravely injured, or both in the case of the mother of the eight-year-old who was killed, rather than a police state I might take the view that law enforcement needs to adapt to balance civil liberties protections quite differently in response to new threats.

It seems to me that the difference between "civilized" and "uncivilized" as referenced here is reallly more a matter of overt vs covert action. Just because the public is unable to detect uncivil action does not make the actions civil. Let me point to a French publisher's 1998 interview of Z. Brzezinski as an example that's relevant to the Boston incident and most people's worldview.

How Jimmy Carter and I Started the Mujahideen
by Alexander Cockburn And Jeffrey St. Clair
http://www.counterpunch.org/1998/01/...he-mujahideen/


Q: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?

Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?

Brzezinski: It isn’t quite that. We didn’t push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.

Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn’t believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don’t regret anything today?

Brzezinski: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter: We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic [integrisme], having given arms and advice to future terrorists?

Brzezinski: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?

Q: Some stirred-up Moslems? But it has been said and repeated: Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today.

Brzezinski: Nonsense! It is said that the West had a global policy in regard to Islam. That is stupid. There isn’t a global Islam. Look at Islam in a rational manner and without demagoguery or emotion. It is the leading religion of the world with 1.5 billion followers. But what is there in common among Saudi Arabian fundamentalism, moderate Morocco, Pakistan militarism, Egyptian pro-Western or Central Asian secularism? Nothing more than what unites the Christian countries.

* There are at least two editions of this magazine; with the perhaps sole exception of the Library of Congress, the version sent to the United States is shorter than the French version, and the Brzezinski interview was not included in the shorter version.

The above has been translated from the French by Bill Blum author of the indispensible, “Killing Hope: US Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II” and “Rogue State: A Guide to the World’s Only Superpower”

[reggie]

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Here we go, straight from the horses mouth (and produced in Sweden!).

There is another version of who bombed Boston Marathon
Kavkaz Centre (www.kavkazcenter.com) is a Chechen internet agency which is independent, international and Islamic.


According to an American information portal Natural News, the Boston Marathon could have been blown up by an FBI affiliated American military organization "The Craft".

Just be careful here, as if this event was planned by intelligence agencies, or other advanced organizations, than you can be certain that media stories have been planned before the event and carried-out in order to service the conspiracy-audience who listens to shows like Alex Jones. Hence, a diversion. So, while I agree that it's wise to be skeptical of mainstream media reports, I believe it is also equally wise to be skeptical of alternative media reports.

[cobben]

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So, while I agree that it's wise to be skeptical of mainstream media reports, I believe it is also equally wise to be skeptical of alternative media reports.

Oh yes, neither are fully believable at this point, so I would tend to look at who might benefit from the Boston attacks.

As far as I can see so far, only the various and sundry security organizations of the US and the Russian Federation, who can all expect more funding and more power after this.

[rogermexico]

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Ah, the latest installment from the NWO.

The media isn't just a bunch of scandal-mongering, owner political objective, profit seeking prostitutes, it is executing the secret plan of "insert here" cabal.

The food industry isn't trying to make money, it is trying to shorten lifespans and make us stupid. Clearly it is failing miserably in the former, while stupidity (when not a result of malnutrition) is generally a social phenomenon. Certainly I've never, ever seen any documented examples of stupidity due to too much nutrition.

The education industry - oops, most of it isn't an industry. It is a public utility. The part which is an industry - the various online diploma mills - again it is unclear if the goal there is to instill respect for authority as opposed to outright profit plundering.

And the last point: the US military and intelligence agencies are all working to some master plan, with reams of data coupled to amazing analysis. That's why the US has engaged in 2 overseas adventures which have accomplished nothing except spend a lot of money and lives, build up hate at a societal level to the US in multiple societies, increase energy prices, and permit semi-educated, poorly funded, sectarianly divided peasants to learn how to combat high technology with cell phone explosives and real life phishing (i.e. social disguise) attacks.

+1

Seeing incoherence and stupidity as evil and cunning is fun and exciting but ultimately an unproductive way to deal with the real world. Thanks for posting this.

" Stupidity is the devil. Look into the eyes of a chicken and you'll see what I mean" - Werner Herzog