Boston Marathon - why is Obama quickly deporting the Saudi suspect?

[GRG55]

Re: Boston Marathon - why is Obama quickly deporting the Saudi suspect?

GRG55 - forgive me if I am wrong, but IMHO other than planes and Arabs the two cases have nothing in common.

I recall news coverage post 9/11. They flew out people of the bin laden broader family. They did not deport a key suspect. The rationale I believe was for their safety as none were viewed as potentially culpable for the tragedy and therefore they would not be tried in court - net, we could either protect them or let them fend for themselves. The chosen route was the cheapest way to protect them, simply move them outside the country.

Don - I can't imagine it's that difficult to obtain those backpacks or something that looks very similar. I am seeking a more directed set of information or even speculation on the above questions.

Yes, you were correct. This has nothing in common with 9/11.

Including the association with Saudi Arabia. Imagine that...

On second thought there does seem one thing in common; the Saudi's security forces rarely put on trial terrorism suspects. They are usually disposed of in broad daylight in a shootout at a petrol station in central Riyadh, or something similar (I just happened to remember this incident from when I was living in the Gulf).

Last Updated: Monday, 8 December, 2003, 13:38 GMT

Police kill Saudi 'most wanted'

The Saudi authorities say security forces have shot dead a suspected Islamist militant in a gun battle at a petrol station in the capital, Riyadh.
The interior ministry said Ibrahim al-Rayes was listed last week among 26 most wanted terrorism suspects...

A statement by the interior ministry read on state television, said the security forces had shot al-Rayes after he opened fire on them.

The statement said false identification papers, a hand grenade, ammunition and pistols had also been seized...

[anthonydr2]

Re: Boston Marathon - why is Obama quickly deporting the Saudi suspect?

Thanks for the education.... Not every Drudge link (where I found the Infowars article) leads to a credible source.

Metalman thx for the picture - it's a great example of where a picture truly is worth a thousand words.

[EJ]

Re: Boston Marathon - why is Obama quickly deporting the Saudi suspect?

Yes, you were correct. This has nothing in common with 9/11.

Including the association with Saudi Arabia. Imagine that...

On second thought there does seem one thing in common; the Saudi's security forces rarely put on trial terrorism suspects. They are usually disposed of in broad daylight in a shootout at a petrol station in central Riyadh, or something similar (I just happened to remember this incident from when I was living in the Gulf).

Last Updated: Monday, 8 December, 2003, 13:38 GMT

Police kill Saudi 'most wanted'

The Saudi authorities say security forces have shot dead a suspected Islamist militant in a gun battle at a petrol station in the capital, Riyadh.
The interior ministry said Ibrahim al-Rayes was listed last week among 26 most wanted terrorism suspects...

A statement by the interior ministry read on state television, said the security forces had shot al-Rayes after he opened fire on them.

The statement said false identification papers, a hand grenade, ammunition and pistols had also been seized...

Tonight yet another example of how the U.S. does not operate like so many other countries. The suspect was carefully apprehended injured but alive despite the death and suffering he is believed to have inflicted, not to mention a humiliation to law enforcement. The priority remains rule of law and discovery of who the perpetrator worked for, to follow the trail back to the source and eliminate that source. The apprehension of the prime suspect in this attack alive is the only good news to come out of this horrific event.

[don]

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The apprehension of the prime suspect in this attack alive is the only good news to come out of this horrific event.

Lets hope this remains the norm and not the except. Well done.

[GRG55]

Re: Boston Marathon - why is Obama quickly deporting the Saudi suspect?

Tonight yet another example of how the U.S. does not operate like so many other countries. The suspect was carefully apprehended injured but alive despite the death and suffering he is believed to have inflicted, not to mention a humiliation to law enforcement. The priority remains rule of law and discovery of who the perpetrator worked for, to follow the trail back to the source and eliminate that source. The apprehension of the prime suspect in this attack alive is the only good news to come out of this horrific event.

Bingo!

It would be an improvement if the media, and those who seem to want to believe so much of what is spewed out in the heat of the moment as "news" because it fits their preconceived notions of "terrorists", behaved as professionally as law enforcement officials have. The FBI and the Boston Police Dept deserve a lot of credit for not issuing misleading or exaggerated, sensational or speculative reports during this entire horrific affair.

[GRG55]

Re: Boston Marathon - why is Obama quickly deporting the Saudi suspect?

Tonight yet another example of how the U.S. does not operate like so many other countries...

Another illustration of the difference you describe...from an old post back in 2008. There are some things that just aren't worth trying to explain to people that will never understand:

http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthr...4079#post64079

...A couple of years ago when I was living in the Gulf there was an attempted piracy off Somalia of an LNG tanker. The captain did exactly the right thing...full speed [LNG tankers are fast ships for their size] and train the fire hoses on the approaching dinghies...and escaped. US Navy aviators found the mother ship, tracked it through the night as it headed south along the coast, and waited until daylight to intercept it. Turned the ship and crew over to Kenyan authorities to be put on trial.


Not a single one of my Arab biz associates could understand why the Americans didn't just blow them out of the water in the dark and pretend nothing happened. That's the sort of thing the Saudi's do to fix their terrorist problems [quite effective actually]. There are some things that just aren't worth trying to explain...

[EJ]

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Another illustration of the difference you describe...from an old post back in 2008. There are some things that just aren't worth trying to explain to people that will never understand:

http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthr...4079#post64079

Gandhi's strategy of Civil Disobedience only worked because the foe, the British, were civilized. The same strategy applied if the national occupation of India was by, say, Benito Mussolini? Not so effective.

Civilian defense works as well as it does in the U.S. because Americans are civilized as is our police force. This must infuriate those who try to stir us to violence. It's hopeless. They can never turn the U.S. into a state of violence.

[lektrode]

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..... was by, say, Benito Mussolini? Not so effective.

Civilian defense works as well as it does in the U.S. because Americans are civilized as is our police force. This must infuriate those who try to stir us to violence. It's hopeless. They can never turn the U.S. into a state of violence.

+1
and then some, Mr J.

at least not as long as the political class remains unable/powerless to take away what our forefathers intended to remain under the control of We, The People - namely just their latest attempt at subverting The US Constitution - another in their long/growing list of failures

may we continue to be so fortunate.

[BadJuju]

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Not sure what you guys are seeing, but all I am seeing is the growing arm of the police state. Not to mention we are already hearing calls from our esteemed leaders to try him as an enemy combatant and thus deprive him of his rights as a citizen:

https://www.facebook.com/USSenatorLi...51453916938229

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.co...boston-bombing

[BadJuju]

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http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...ect-90362.html

[lakedaemonian]

Re: Boston Marathon - why is Obama quickly deporting the Saudi suspect?

I suspect these guys are Federal LE or enablers.

It is very common for large brand name public events to receive Federal LE support in the form of EOD and even NEST to mitigate the risk of CBRN type attacks.

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Did anyone catch the unprepared interview of the uncle of the two suspects?

Working without a "net"(no lawyer/PR), highly charged/emotional, I think he may have done a lot to mitigate any potential blowback along ethnic/cultural/religious lines.

I think the uncle did a fantastic job dealing with the journalistic hyenas for someone without any media training.

I hope the uninvolved members of his family receive a fair amount of community support.

[reggie]

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How reliable is Infowars?

It's a deliberate source of disinfo for the lowest common denominator.

[reggie]

Re: Boston Marathon - why is Obama quickly deporting the Saudi suspect?

Not sure what you guys are seeing, but all I am seeing is the growing arm of the police state. Not to mention we are already hearing calls from our esteemed leaders to try him as an enemy combatant and thus deprive him of his rights as a citizen:

https://www.facebook.com/USSenatorLi...51453916938229

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.co...boston-bombing

No one has "rights" as a "citizen". This entire line of discussion and thinking is beyond ridiculout and shows how far the public has been mislead by media propaganda. "Citizen" based rights presumes that ones rights are granted by gov't. But in reality, gov't has no authority to issue rights, they merely exist to protect rights endowed by our creator.

[Ellen Z]

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It is very common for large brand name public events to receive Federal LE support in the form of EOD and even NEST to mitigate the risk of CBRN type attacks.

LE = law enforcement
EOD = ????? NEST = ????? CBRN = ?????

Did anyone catch the unprepared interview of the uncle of the two suspects? .... I think the uncle did a fantastic job dealing with the journalistic hyenas for someone without any media training.

Here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXrLf...ature=youtu.be
or http://youtu.be/RXrLf0qoiKI

[reggie]

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Gandhi's strategy of Civil Disobedience only worked because the foe, the British, were civilized. The same strategy applied if the national occupation of India was by, say, Benito Mussolini? Not so effective.

Civilian defense works as well as it does in the U.S. because Americans are civilized as is our police force. This must infuriate those who try to stir us to violence. It's hopeless. They can never turn the U.S. into a state of violence.

I have numerous issues with the frame of this post, but I'll only briefly comment on the last fragment. Namely, the US relies almost exclusively on violence to maintain a status quo. For example, this violence is perpetrated on the public through:

1) Media's "murder of the real", creating propanda vectors that leave the public believing in fantasy and hate;
2) A food industry that deploys the latest in bioscience to suppress human function and dramatically shorten lifespans;
3) An education system designed to create authoritarian personailities, suppress individuality, and sub-human intellect;
4) And of course, military (overt & covert) and intelligence agencies operating to enforce global economic dominace and implement long term strategy.