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    Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter, whose municipality has the lowest credit rating of the five most-populous U.S. cities, will address investors at a conference financed by underwriters and closed to the public and the press.

    The invitation bills tomorrow’s meeting as a chance to hear “Philadelphia leaders and investors discuss building the city’s future.” In addition to Nutter, a 55-year-old Democrat, speakers will include finance director Rob Dubow and Mark Gale, chief executive officer of Philadelphia International Airport, according to the agenda.

    Philadelphia is hoping to attract investors for the city, which is rated three steps above junk by Standard & Poor’s. The city and its authorities have $8.75 billion in outstanding debt as of September, according to bond documents. Philadelphia’s pension system is 47.6 percent funded this year, the documents say.

    Tours of city assets are set for the second day of the conference, including the Philadelphia Gas Works, the largest municipally owned natural-gas utility in the U.S. The city plans to hire a broker to steer the sale of the system, which may fetch as much as $496 million, according to Lazard Ltd. (LAZ)

    “It is a private meeting,” said Mark McDonald, a spokesman for Nutter. Underwriters pledged to cover the $8,500 cost of the conference, he said by telephone. McDonald said the donors will be made public when the city receives the full amount.

    City’s Underwriters

    Wells Fargo & Co. (WFC) and Jefferies & Co. were underwriters of the city’s $127 million tax- and revenue-anticipation notes offered in December, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

    Barclays Plc (BARC), Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (GS), Citigroup Inc., Siebert Branford Shank & Co. LLC, Samuel A. Ramirez & Co., Loop Capital Markets LLC and Janney Montgomery Scott LLC have also served as underwriters, according to the city’s website.
    Bloomberg News wrote Nutter April 4 objecting to the press’s exclusion from the conference. The Associated Press, the Philadelphia Inquirer, and the Arlington, Virginia-based nonprofit Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press have supported the protest.

    Philadelphia, where more than a quarter of the population of 1.5 million lives in poverty, carries ratings by the three major companies that are the lowest for the top five most populous cities. It’s rated BBB+ by Standard & Poor’s, three steps above noninvestment grade. Fitch Ratings puts it one step higher, at A-, while Moody’s Investors Service ranks it two levels higher, at A2.

    ‘Some Concern’

    Sam Katz, chairman of the Pennsylvania Intergovernmental Cooperation Authority, created in a 1991 state law that oversees the city’s finances, said that with the conference being held locally, it “certainly created some concern on the part of people that it should be made public.”

    He’s more troubled, however, by the fact the school district isn’t on the agenda, he said. Facing a $304 million deficit, school officials have asked the city for $60 million and the state for $120 million.

    “The school district’s in a crisis,” Katz said. “They’re the same tax base.”

    Philadelphia officials facing a $1.35 billion spending gap over five years voted in March to shut 9 percent of its public schools.

    Philadelphia entered into $3.5 billion of swaps, and its borrowing cost may swell by as much as $186 million compared with what it would’ve paid to issue fixed-rate debt, estimated city treasurer Nancy Winkler in October. The city is lobbying to maintain its ability to engage in the transactions after a bill that would ban the practice for municipalities was introduced in the state legislature in February.

    To contact the reporter on this story: Romy Varghese in Philadelphia at rvarghese8@bloomberg.net
    To contact the editor responsible for this story: Stephen Merelman at smerelman@bloomberg.net

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    Do we any number on how much it would take to make all US municipalities "solvent"? Would it really beat what banks got in 2008? Why can't the paper numbers be "cleaned up"?

    I am sure I am missing something elemental. Note that I am learning from all your conversations about economy and how it is perceived.

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      I have a back of the envelope number that there is about 2T of muni debt outstanding. muni revenues are about 1T.
      I dont' know how much of the 1T is spent on essential services and how much is left over to service the debt. I assume there
      is some ratio of debt / (revenue - cost of essential services) that makes it apparent that the debt cannot be serviced.

      In my state and town, every rock is being over-turned to look for revenue. Fees, Fines, Taxes are all on the table. It seem like every quarter some
      fee goes up. This year, license plates went up 2%, sales tax up .25%, park use fees up 5%, prop tax up 2%. The only thing that is not going up is my pay check. . How long will it be before all these taxes force people into bankruptcy. There are a lot of middle class folks just hanging on to their home, and there 7 yr old toyota corolla.

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        We've had some discussion about default of municipalities here on other threads back when Merrideth Whitney made her famous prediction about mass defaults on municipal bonds some time ago.

        As I recall, EJ offered the opinion that municipalities would cut anything and everything before defaulting on any bonds.
        So far that has held true.

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          stockton ca just went bk last year and a fed judge agreeded on apr 1, 2013 that the city can go forward. Who got the hair cut? Was it just the employees taking benefit cuts, or did vendors or bond holders get one too? I see there are load of lawyers offering up bankruptcy services on the web, so I assume someone (vendors) are going to get shafted. There is noise in this article that creditors are "mad" I don't know if the means bond holders or unsecured types.

          http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...,7979388.story

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            Originally posted by srivatsan
            Do we any number on how much it would take to make all US municipalities "solvent"?
            Bring back the real estate bubble

            Originally posted by srivatsan
            Would it really beat what banks got in 2008?
            No. As far as I know, the state/local/municipal debt totals around $3 trillion - vs. the $13 trillion the banksters got.

            Originally posted by srivatsan
            Why can't the paper numbers be "cleaned up"?
            The states/localities/municipalities don't have the lobbyists, revolving door jobs, and campaign contributions that the banksters have.

            Plus there's this whole state/federal divide.

            Think of it as the US version of the Euro trap: the states cannot print dollars, but can be affected by federal oversight of monetary policy.

            The difference is that US policy appears to be supporting banksters instead of the euro supporting Germany.

            To be fair, the many of the states/localities/municipalities are also complicit in this - their obligations and spending rose dramatically during the bubble years (both sets of them).

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              Originally posted by thriftyandboringinohio View Post
              We've had some discussion about default of municipalities here on other threads back when Merrideth Whitney made her famous prediction about mass defaults on municipal bonds some time ago.

              As I recall, EJ offered the opinion that municipalities would cut anything and everything before defaulting on any bonds.
              So far that has held true.
              The above two lines are scary. Why would essential stuffs ever be compromised since there is definite need for it, workers affected by removing those services only contribute to exacerbation of present situation ? I see it as "nuts"...

              Why can't Michael Hudson's option of "printing it off / write it off" not work? Of course, we need to review bad contracts to good ones and then resolve them as necessary.

              Thanks for all replies.

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                Originally posted by c1ue View Post
                Bring back the real estate bubble



                No. As far as I know, the state/local/municipal debt totals around $3 trillion - vs. the $13 trillion the banksters got.



                The states/localities/municipalities don't have the lobbyists, revolving door jobs, and campaign contributions that the banksters have.

                Plus there's this whole state/federal divide.

                Think of it as the US version of the Euro trap: the states cannot print dollars, but can be affected by federal oversight of monetary policy.

                The difference is that US policy appears to be supporting banksters instead of the euro supporting Germany.

                To be fair, the many of the states/localities/municipalities are also complicit in this - their obligations and spending rose dramatically during the bubble years (both sets of them).
                Throw in that this is a bankster debt machine. Paying off the bond debt, by any means, is anathema to these guys. Municipal bonds are their oxygen. (not exclusively, of course. Derivatives are Daddy's favorite gas.)
                Last edited by don; April 17, 2013, 03:18 PM.

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                  Originally posted by srivatsan View Post
                  The above two lines are scary. Why would essential stuffs ever be compromised since there is definite need for it, workers affected by removing those services only contribute to exacerbation of present situation ? I see it as "nuts"...

                  Why can't Michael Hudson's option of "printing it off / write it off" not work? Of course, we need to review bad contracts to good ones and then resolve them as necessary.

                  Thanks for all replies.
                  srivatsan, I do see your point and am inclined to agree.

                  The discussion may be divided into what is likely to happen, versus what ought to happen.
                  They are different things.

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                    There is no such thing as a free lunch. Once debt is issued, there is now a symbiotic relationship between the creditor/debtor. Who owns the muni bonds ...
                    you grandma?, or pick your favoritie pension fund??? Write the debt off and these people get hurt. Rewind the clock and the problem is an unsustainable amount of debt was created at too low of an interest rate to cover inflation/default ristks. Now it is up to the politicians to see who is going to get stuck holding the hot potato.

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                      Originally posted by charliebrown View Post
                      There is no such thing as a free lunch. Once debt is issued, there is now a symbiotic relationship between the creditor/debtor. Who owns the muni bonds ...
                      you grandma?, or pick your favoritie pension fund??? Write the debt off and these people get hurt. Rewind the clock and the problem is an unsustainable amount of debt was created at too low of an interest rate to cover inflation/default ristks. Now it is up to the politicians to see who is going to get stuck holding the hot potato.
                      Understood that write off may not be the option. Ok... now lets print it. Wouldn't that help with "inflation target" and "kick start the economy" with some purchasing power? Thereby, the loss is still taken by everybody owing to lower purchasing power of dollar. Is this way not feasible?

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                        Originally posted by srivatsan View Post
                        Understood that write off may not be the option. Ok... now lets print it. Wouldn't that help with "inflation target" and "kick start the economy" with some purchasing power? Thereby, the loss is still taken by everybody owing to lower purchasing power of dollar. Is this way not feasible?
                        Yes. It's called a bailout by the Federal Government...

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                          Originally posted by don View Post
                          Throw in that this is a bankster debt machine. Paying off the bond debt, by any means, is anathema to these guys. Municipal bonds are their oxygen. (not exclusively, of course. Derivatives are Daddy's favorite gas.)
                          It's interesting the long before FIRE corrupt politicians, complicit bankers and gullible investors in tax free munis had no difficulty achieving the same result. NYC in 1975...a disaster that was well more than a decade in the making:

                          Initially:



                          But in the end:

                          "...The continuing difficulties of the city to borrow led the federal government to agree to assist the city in November of 1975.

                          Federal legislation extending up to $2.3 billion of short-term loans to the city was passed. The House of Representatives passed the aid package by a 10 vote margin.
                          Federal involvement was motivated by concerns over the impact of a bankruptcy on the city, state, other public agencies, and on the banking community. In addition, many small investors had bought New York City debt. The impending bankruptcy of New York had become an international issue. Both President Giscard of France and Chancellor Schmidt of West Germany told President Ford they were worried about the impact of a possible bankruptcy on the international banking system. The recent hike in oil prices had pushed the oil consuming countries into a harsh recession and the banking system had yet to recover. In addition, the finances of the State of New York were so intertwined with the City of New York that a municipal bankruptcy could have meant a state bankruptcy as well. In that event, other public agencies would have to pay higher interest rates to market their own securities...

                          ...At this point, New York City was again able to borrow, but only from the institutions that had a stake in its survival, namely the banks, the state and federal government, and from the employees' pension funds. The city was still unable to borrow in the municipal bond market..."
                          Last edited by GRG55; April 17, 2013, 09:21 PM.

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                            Originally posted by don View Post
                            Tours of city assets are set for the second day of the conference, including the Philadelphia Gas Works, the largest municipally owned natural-gas utility in the U.S. The city plans to hire a broker to steer the sale of the system, which may fetch as much as $496 million, according to Lazard Ltd. (LAZ)
                            Somebody's getting a steal. Philly Gas Works has annual operating revenues of somewhere north of $700M. Over 500,000 customers that are physically tied into the house/business with legally mandated profit margins. Profit fluctuates between $30M on a bad year and $80 on a good year. Within 10 years, Philly would recoup in profits what they are looking to get for the system here.

                            The taxpayers will lose big here.

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                              Originally posted by dcarrigg View Post
                              Somebody's getting a steal. Philly Gas Works has annual operating revenues of somewhere north of $700M. Over 500,000 customers that are physically tied into the house/business with legally mandated profit margins. Profit fluctuates between $30M on a bad year and $80 on a good year. Within 10 years, Philly would recoup in profits what they are looking to get for the system here.

                              The taxpayers will lose big here.
                              Don't they always in a sale of desperation? Argentina, Greece, now Philadelphia, you name it. At least in a banana republic the assets can in principle be taken back through a forced nationalization further down the line to reverse the looting. I don't really see that happening in the states.

                              Here, the rule of law applies in only one direction. That may be worse than it not applying at all.

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