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    MBIA, Ambac Downgrades May Cost Market $200 Billion

    MBIA, Ambac Downgrades May Cost Market $200 Billion (Update1)

    By Christine Richard and Cecile Gutscher

    Nov. 15 (Bloomberg) -- The crisis of confidence in bond insurers that bestow top credit ratings on debt sold by borrowers from the New York Yankees to Citigroup Inc. may cost investors as much as $200 billion.

    The AAA ratings of MBIA Inc., Ambac Financial Group Inc. and their five smaller competitors are being reviewed by Moody's Investors Service and Fitch Ratings. Without guarantees, $2.4 trillion of bonds may fall in value and some issuers would get shut out of the capital markets.

    ``We shudder to think of the ramifications,'' said Greg Peters, head of credit strategy at New York-based Morgan Stanley, the second-biggest U.S. securities firm by market value. ``You have politicians, taxpayers, municipalities, states. It just opens up a Pandora's box. That is a huge destabilizing force.''

    For more than 20 years, the safety of insurance has eased the way for elementary schools, Wall Street banks and thousands of municipalities to sell debt with unquestioned credit quality. Now, mounting downgrades on insured bonds backed by assets such as mortgages are raising doubts about the stability of the guarantors. Armonk, New York-based MBIA, the world's largest, has a 28 percent probability of default, and Ambac's is 40 percent, prices of derivatives show.

    Moody's and Fitch, both based in New York, are examining the insurers on concern that a slide in the credit quality of some of the 80,000 securities they guarantee has eroded their capital so much that they no longer deserve AAA ratings.
    LOL, you can't make this stuff up. Panic? What panic?

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    Re: MBIA, Ambac Downgrades May Cost Market $200 Billion

    That's pretty wild freaking news. Makes you want to buy BRKA..

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      Re: MBIA, Ambac Downgrades May Cost Market $200 Billion

      Try LUK cheaper stock has outperformed BRKA since 1978

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        Re: MBIA, Ambac Downgrades May Cost Market $200 Billion

        Originally posted by Sapiens View Post
        LOL, you can't make this stuff up. Panic? What panic?
        Time to resurrect this old thread. Sometimes these things just take a while to play out...
        MBIA, Ambac Credit Losses Raise Aaa Downgrade Concern

        By Christine Richard and Jody Shenn
        May 14 (Bloomberg) -- Moody's Investors Service said deepening losses at MBIA Inc. and Ambac Financial Group Inc. may imperil their Aaa credit ratings less than three months after affirming the top grade.

        The two largest bond insurers recorded a total $6.7 billion of first-quarter charges for losses on home-equity loans and collateralized debt obligations, ``elevating existing concerns about capitalization levels relative to the Aaa benchmark,'' Moody's said yesterday in a report.

        The prospect of downgrades earlier this year for Armonk, New York-based MBIA and Ambac in New York roiled world capital markets on concern that their guarantees for more than $1 trillion of debt may be worthless. Now, Moody's analyst Jack Dorer says he will examine whether the writedowns and a dimming outlook for mortgage debt are ``likely to be material for exposed financial guarantors.''...

        ...Goldman Sachs Group Inc. analyst James Fotheringham predicted last month the companies need to raise $3.4 billion each...

        ...Fitch Ratings cut both to AA earlier this year and said MBIA needed about $3.8 billion more in capital to justify a AAA rating...
        http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=a_I35kai0ZtY

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          Re: MBIA, Ambac Downgrades May Cost Market $200 Billion

          Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
          Time to resurrect this old thread. Sometimes these things just take a while to play out...
          MBIA, Ambac Credit Losses Raise Aaa Downgrade Concern

          By Christine Richard and Jody Shenn
          May 14 (Bloomberg) -- Moody's Investors Service said deepening losses at MBIA Inc. and Ambac Financial Group Inc. may imperil their Aaa credit ratings less than three months after affirming the top grade.

          The two largest bond insurers recorded a total $6.7 billion of first-quarter charges for losses on home-equity loans and collateralized debt obligations, ``elevating existing concerns about capitalization levels relative to the Aaa benchmark,'' Moody's said yesterday in a report.

          The prospect of downgrades earlier this year for Armonk, New York-based MBIA and Ambac in New York roiled world capital markets on concern that their guarantees for more than $1 trillion of debt may be worthless. Now, Moody's analyst Jack Dorer says he will examine whether the writedowns and a dimming outlook for mortgage debt are ``likely to be material for exposed financial guarantors.''...

          ...Goldman Sachs Group Inc. analyst James Fotheringham predicted last month the companies need to raise $3.4 billion each...

          ...Fitch Ratings cut both to AA earlier this year and said MBIA needed about $3.8 billion more in capital to justify a AAA rating...


          Haven't we already conceded that the current Aaas are worthless? Will the gov. intervene again if they do get downgraded? I would think yes given the rampant fear that spread a few months ago.

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            Re: MBIA, Ambac Downgrades May Cost Market $200 Billion

            Just a thought, wouldn't it better to downgrade now than wait for the housing market to drop another 10-15% next year and be forced to downgrade when the main street is in bad recession?

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