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    Gold is dead! etc.

    Have fun with this one.


    Gold, Long a Secure Investment, Loses Its Luster


    Jay Directo/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images
    Weighing gold nuggets in the Philippines.
    By NATHANIEL POPPER

    Published: April 10, 2013

    Below the streets of Lower Manhattan, in the vault of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, the world’s largest trove of gold — half a million bars — has lost about $75 billion of its value. In Fort Knox, Ky., at the United States Bullion Depository, the damage totals $50 billion.

    And in Pocatello, Idaho, the tiny golden treasure of Jon Norstog has dwindled, too. A $29,000 investment that Mr. Norstog made in 2011 is now worth about $17,000, a loss of 42 percent.

    “I thought if worst came to worst and the government brought down the world economy, I would still have something that was worth something,” Mr. Norstog, 67, says of his foray into gold.

    Gold, pride of Croesus and store of wealth since time immemorial, has turned out to be a very bad investment of late. A mere two years after its price raced to a nominal high, gold is sinking — fast. Its price has fallen 17 percent since late 2011. Wednesday was another bad day for gold: the price of bullion dropped $28 to $1,558 an ounce.

    It is a remarkable turnabout for an investment that many have long regarded as one of the safest of all. The decline has been so swift that some Wall Street analysts are declaring the end of a golden age of gold. The stakes are high: the last time the metal went through a patch like this, in the 1980s, its price took 30 years to recover.

    What went wrong? The answer, in part, lies in what went right. Analysts say gold is losing its allure after an astonishing 650 percent rally from August 1999 to August 2011. Fast-money hedge fund managers and ordinary savers alike flocked to gold, that haven of havens, when the world economy teetered on the brink in 2009. Now, the worst of the Great Recession has passed. Things are looking up for the economy and, as a result, down for gold. On top of that, concern that the loose monetary policy at Federal Reserve might set off inflation — a prospect that drove investors to gold — have so far proved to be unfounded.

    And so Wall Street is growing increasingly bearish on gold, an investment banks and others had deftly marketed to the masses only a few years ago. On Wednesday, Goldman Sachs became the latest big bank to predict further declines, forecasting that the price of gold would sink to $1,390 within a year, down 11 percent from where it traded on Wednesday. Société Générale of France last week issued a report titled, “The End of the Gold Era,” which said the price should fall to $1,375 by the end of the year and could keep falling for years.

    Granted, gold has gone through booms and busts before, including at least two from its peak in 1980, when it traded at $835, to its high in 2011. And anyone who bought gold in 1999 and held on has done far better than the average stock market investor. Even after the recent decline, gold is still up 515 percent.

    But for a generation of investors, the golden decade created the illusion that the metal would keep rising forever. The financial industry seized on such hopes to market a growing range of gold investments, making the current downturn in gold felt more widely than previous ones. That triumph of marketing gold was apparent in an April 2011 poll by Gallup, which found that 34 percent of Americans thought that gold was the best long-term investment, more than another other investment category, including real estate and mutual funds.

    It is hard to know just how much money ordinary Americans plowed into gold, given the array of investment vehicles, including government-minted coins, publicly traded commodity funds, mining company stocks and physical bullion. But $5 billion that flowed into gold-focused mutual funds in 2009 and 2010, according to Morningstar, helped the funds reach a peak value of $26.3 billion. Since hitting a peak in April 2011, those funds have lost half of their value.

    “Gold is very much a psychological market,” said William O’Neill, a co-founder of the research firm Logic Advisors, which told its investors to get out of all gold positions in December after recommending the investment for years. “Unless there is some unforeseen development, I think the market is going lower.”

    Gold’s abrupt reversal has also been painful for companies that were cashing in on the gold craze. In the last year, two gold-focused mutual funds were liquidated after years of new fund openings, Morningstar data shows. Perhaps the most famous company to come out of the 2011 gold rush, the retail trading company Goldline, has drastically cut back its advertising on cable television, lowering spending to $3.7 million from $17.8 million in 2010, according to Kantar Media.

    Goldline agreed to pay $4.5 million last year to settle charges brought by the city attorney of Santa Monica, Calif., accusing the company of running a bait-and-switch operation. Goldline did not respond to requests for comment for this article.



    Falling Fortunes The price of gold has had an extraordinary run up in the last 10 years, creating wealth for investors. But its price has fallen in the last two years.


    But the worst news for gold is probably good news for the broader economy, which, though still struggling to grow, has recovered from its lows.

    “As the economy improves, the demand for gold as a financial hedge declines more than the fundamental demand for gold jewelry increases,” said Daniel J. Arbess, a partner at Perella Weinberg Partners, who sold off his fund’s large stake in gold in the fourth quarter of 2012.

    Investment professionals, who have focused many of their bets on gold exchange-traded funds, or E.T.F.’s, have been faster than retail investors to catch wind of gold’s changing fortune. The outflow at the most popular E.T.F., the SPDR Gold Shares, was the biggest of any E.T.F. in the first quarter of this year as hedge funds and traders pulled out $6.6 billion, according to the data firm IndexUniverse. Two prominent hedge fund managers who had taken big positions in gold E.T.F.’s, George Soros and Louis M. Bacon, sold in the last quarter of 2012, according to recent regulatory filings.

    “Gold was destroyed as a safe haven, proved to be unsafe,” Mr. Soros said in an interview last week with The South China Morning Post of Hong Kong. “Because of the disappointment, most people are reducing their holdings of gold.”

    Gold’s most vocal bulls say gold doubters are losing faith too easily. Peter Schiff, the chief executive of the investment firm Euro Pacific Capital, said that he still expected gold to hit $5,000 an ounce within a few years because, he said, the world is headed for a period of dangerous hyperinflation.

    “People believe the U.S. economy is recovering. It’s not,” said Mr. Schiff.

    The most famous investor who is standing by gold is John Paulson, the hedge fund manager who made a fortune betting against the American housing market. His $900 million gold fund reportedly dropped 26 percent in the first two months of this year.

    Mr. Paulson’s losses were particularly severe because he bet heavily on gold mining companies, which have fallen more sharply than gold itself.

    Mr. Norstog, in Pocatello, made a similar mistake. He put his money in a gold fund that was focused on mining company stocks.

    “If I had to do it all over again, I would have just bought the gold,” Mr. Norstog said. “At least that way I could have run my fingers through the glittering coins.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/11/business/gold-long-a-secure-investment-loses-its-luster.html?pagewanted=2&hp





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    Re: Gold no longer a safe investment!!! (NYT propaganda)

    It's a beautiful piece of propaganda - there's real skill at work here, studded with agenda one-liners like, the worst of the Great Recession has passed. Nowhere is gold framed as a repository of wealth, only as speculation. The gold price suppression arguments of Paul Craig Roberts are nowhere to be seen. Fear, using a 'gold investor', is the emotional prod, with Goldline's fraud in a supporting role. Overarching the arguments is Wall Street's call that gold is so yesterday. Goebbels would be proud.

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    • #3
      Re: Gold no longer a safe investment!!! (NYT propaganda)

      I love how they put a chart showing gold going from $400 to $1800 then drop to $1550 to talk about it losing value. If only all my investments behaved like this.

      S&P is at an obvious top. I wonder what they will say about it when it drops 20%, wiping out all stock gains for the last 15 years (20 years when counting for official inflation).

      Oh well, its all good. Buy when people sell, sell when people buy.

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      • #4
        Re: Gold no longer a safe investment!!! (NYT propaganda)

        Perhaps we can mark this as a bottom? Or does Time magazine need to do a gold piece first?

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        • #5
          Re: Gold no longer a safe investment!!! (NYT propaganda)

          Originally posted by Fox View Post
          I love how they put a chart showing gold going from $400 to $1800 then drop to $1550 to talk about it losing value. If only all my investments behaved like this.

          S&P is at an obvious top. I wonder what they will say about it when it drops 20%, wiping out all stock gains for the last 15 years (20 years when counting for official inflation).

          Oh well, its all good. Buy when people sell, sell when people buy.
          They will say it's a remarkable buying opportunity, and repeat the old "truism" that the way to profit in the stock market is to "Buy and Hold".

          Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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          • #6
            Re: Gold no longer a safe investment!!! (NYT propaganda)

            I love all this negative sentiment right now. This is the third time gold has traded down to the mid 1500 level from roughly 1800 in the past 2 years.

            No article I've read had shown an iota of understanding of the reason gold has been going up for the past ten years, much less any explanation of why those forces will not drive gold higher in the years to come.

            Yes, the economy is perfectly healthy now, with a federal deficit of 1 T in perpetuity and the UST market and mortgage markets 100% dependent on money printing......

            Sell all your gold quickly...
            My educational website is linked below.

            http://www.paleonu.com/

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            • #7
              Re: Gold no longer a safe investment!!! (NYT propaganda)

              Originally posted by rogermexico View Post
              I love all this negative sentiment right now. This is the third time gold has traded down to the mid 1500 level from roughly 1800 in the past 2 years.

              No article I've read had shown an iota of understanding of the reason gold has been going up for the past ten years, much less any explanation of why those forces will not drive gold higher in the years to come.

              Yes, the economy is perfectly healthy now, with a federal deficit of 1 T in perpetuity and the UST market and mortgage markets 100% dependent on money printing......

              Sell all your gold quickly...
              +1

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              • #8
                Re: Gold no longer a safe investment!!! (NYT propaganda)

                Seriously, I thought you guys knew what you were talking about. Don't you read MacCleans? Its time to buy!



                This is the greatest bull run in history gentlemen. Get your heads out of the sand


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                • #9
                  Re: Gold no longer a safe investment!!! (NYT propaganda)

                  http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/12/op...d.html?hp&_r=0

                  Don't look too hard for Krugman's explication of central bank gold purchases or analysis of the relationship between PCO and gold prices. He forgot to include those, instead informing us that the EURO is a good example of the classical gold standard

                  The comments are priceless. The meme that gold investors are all semi-retarded white right-wing republicans ignorant of economics seems to be popular with readers of "all the news fit to print"

                  So now all we need is the "death of gold" business week cover.

                  Honestly, here at itulip, in our bubble of relative enlightenment, we sometimes forget just how stupid the rest of humanity can be. It's good to be reminded by a nobel laureate.
                  My educational website is linked below.

                  http://www.paleonu.com/

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                  • #10
                    Re: Gold no longer a safe investment!!! (NYT propaganda)

                    Roger,
                    Great summary - I find I struggle with the movement of the markets in the short term and the deafening noise from the Bull Horn. But, every time I drive my car I am reminded that the bulk of humanity can often be irrational and reckless. Why would these people (and the trading computer systems they create to trade for them) be any less reckless or more logical in financial markets.

                    Regards.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Gold no longer a safe investment!!! (NYT propaganda)

                      As of now, I'm watching a trigger point to buy more gold. MXN has been lately probing closer to the 12 per USD line. I'm considering MXN to be overvaluated over 12.5 per USD and a real bargain gold at less than MXN 19K per OZT and silver at less than 350 MXN per OZT.
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                      Attention: Electronics Engineer Learning Economics.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Gold no longer a safe investment!!! (NYT propaganda)

                        Originally posted by ocelotl View Post
                        As of now, I'm watching a trigger point to buy more gold. MXN has been lately probing closer to the 12 per USD line. I'm considering MXN to be overvaluated over 12.5 per USD and a real bargain gold at less than MXN 19K per OZT and silver at less than 350 MXN per OZT.
                        looks like it will bottom soon:


                        anybody else notice that gold just took out 1520 "with a bullet"?
                        UPDATE: 1510 now.
                        Update: make that 1505

                        Is it too early to drink?
                        Last edited by globaleconomicollaps; April 12, 2013, 09:49 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Gold no longer a safe investment!!! (NYT propaganda)

                          Originally posted by globaleconomicollaps View Post
                          anybody else notice that gold just took out 1520 "with a bullet"?
                          UPDATE: 1510 now.
                          Update: make that 1505

                          Is it too early to drink?
                          I'm following it now. Damn, what a ride! Lets see if this goes into the 1400's


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                          • #14
                            Lust for Gold

                            Originally posted by Chomsky View Post
                            Gold is dead! etc.

                            Have fun with this one.
                            https://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/12/o...-for-gold.html

                            Lust for Gold
                            By PAUL KRUGMAN
                            Published: April 11, 2013

                            News flash: Recent declines in the price of gold, which is off about 17 percent from its peak, show that this price can go down as well as up. You may consider this an obvious point, but, as an article in The Times on Thursday reports, it has come as a rude shock to many small gold investors, who imagined that they were buying the safest of all assets.

                            And thereby hangs a tale. One of the central facts about modern America is that everything is political; on the right, in particular, people choose their views about everything, from environmental science to gun safety, to suit their political prejudices. And the remarkable recent rise of “goldbuggism,” in the teeth of all the evidence, shows that this politicization can influence investments as well as voting.

                            What do I mean by goldbuggism? Not the notion that buying gold sometimes makes sense. Gold has been a very good investment since the early 2000s, and it’s probably not all bubble. One way to think about this is that gold is like a very long-term bond that’s protected from inflation; and actual long-term inflation-protected bonds have also seen big price increases, reflecting a general perception that there aren’t enough alternative good investments.

                            No, being a goldbug means asserting that gold offers unique security in troubled times; it also means asserting that all would be well if we abolished the Federal Reserve and returned to the good old gold standard, in which the value of the dollar was fixed in terms of gold and that was that. And both forms of goldbuggism soared after 2008.

                            In the wake of the financial crisis — and to a considerable extent even now — to watch business news on TV, especially on Fox, was to see a lot of talking heads touting gold, not to mention many, many ads from the likes of Goldline. Many Americans were convinced: A third of those polled by Gallup in 2011 declared that gold was the best long-term investment.

                            At the same time, calls for a return to the gold standard proliferated, and not just among marginal figures. Indeed, the 2012 Republican platform effectively demanded a return to gold, calling for a commission to “investigate possible ways to set a fixed value for the dollar” (which it took as self-evidently desirable), and making it clear that the preferred route involved a “metallic basis” for the currency.

                            So the financial crisis of 2008 brought a surge in gold fever (although that surge has abated a bit since 2011). But why?

                            After all, historically, gold has been anything but a safe investment. Sometimes it yields big gains, as it did in the late 1970s and again between 2001 and 2011. But that 1970s run-up was followed by an epic plunge, with the real value of gold falling by more than two-thirds.

                            Meanwhile, the modern world’s closest equivalent to the classical gold standard is the euro, which puts European countries back under more or less the same constraints they faced when gold ruled. It’s true that the European Central Bank can print money if it chooses to, but individual countries, like nations on the gold standard, can’t. And who would hold up these countries’ recent experience as an example of something we’d like to emulate?

                            So how can we rationalize the modern goldbug position? Basically, it depends on the claim that runaway inflation is just around the corner.

                            Why have so many people found this claim persuasive? John Maynard Keynes famously dismissed the gold standard as a “barbarous relic,” noting the absurdity of yoking the fortunes of a modern industrial society to the supply of a decorative metal. But he also acknowledged that “gold has become part of the apparatus of conservatism and is one of the matters which we cannot expect to see handled without prejudice.”

                            And so it remains to this day. Conservative-minded people tend to support a gold standard — and to buy gold — because they’re very easily persuaded that “fiat money,” money created on a discretionary basis in an attempt to stabilize the economy, is really just part of the larger plot to take away their hard-earned wealth and give it to you-know-who.

                            But the runaway inflation that was supposed to follow reckless money-printing — inflation that the usual suspects have been declaring imminent for four years and more — keeps not happening. For a while, rising gold prices helped create some credibility for the goldbugs even as their predictions about everything else proved wrong, but now gold as an investment has turned sour, too. So will we be seeing prominent goldbugs change their views, or at least lose a lot of their followers?

                            I wouldn’t bet on it. In modern America, as I suggested at the beginning, everything is political; and goldbuggism, which fits so perfectly with common political prejudices, will probably continue to flourish no matter how wrong it proves.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Gold no longer a safe investment!!! (NYT propaganda)

                              Originally posted by globaleconomicollaps View Post
                              ...
                              anybody else notice that gold just took out 1520 "with a bullet"?
                              UPDATE: 1510 now.
                              Update: make that 1505

                              Is it too early to drink?
                              Maybe. Depends on how much one already owns.

                              I just posted some thoughts here: http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthr...d=1#post255579

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