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    Xi tightens bonds with Moscow
    By Brendan O'Reilly

    Xi Jinping highlighted the essential nature of the Sino-Russian relationship by making Moscow his first foreign destination after his appointment as president. In talks with his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin, Xi promised to expand economic, military, and strategic cooperation between the two nuclear powers.

    The deepening bond between Beijing and Moscow has immense implications for the entire world - especially the United States. Indeed, it appears that Washington may have made a failed attempt at a "divide and rule" stratagem before Xi's Russian trip.

    Xi followed in the footsteps of his predecessor, Hu Jintao, by traveling to Moscow soon after his ascent to the highest halls of power in Beijing. Xi delivered a speech at the Moscow State Institute of International Relations that outlined his foreign policy vision and contained a thinly veiled condemnation of recent American doctrine:
    We are now living in a rapidly changing world...Peace, development, cooperation and mutual benefit have become the trend of our times. To keep up with the times, we cannot have ourselves physically living in the 21st century, but with a mindset belonging to the past, stalled in the old days of colonialism, and constrained by zero-sum Cold War mentality. [1]
    Xi went on to assert that close Sino-Russian relations help to "guarantee balance in the world". Xi's speech echoed official Chinese media, which often condemns the United States' attitude towards China as reminiscent of a "Cold War mentality". Clearly, from the Chinese perspective, solid ties with Russia serve to counterbalance America's unilateralist ambitions.

    Russian President Vladimir Putin echoed Xi's optimism for the enhanced Sino-Russian bond. Putin stated, "We can already say this is a historic visit with positive results."

    During a joint press conference, Xi and Putin jointly expressed concerns about America's ballistic missile defense system. They also pointedly addressed the issue of the "defeated powers" of World War II. This statement was in all probability an implied message of Russian support for China in Beijing's ongoing territorial dispute with Japan. (It must be noted that Russia also contests territory with Tokyo).

    China and Russia have been bitter rivals for most of their shared history. During the Tsarist times of expansion into Siberia, Russian and Chinese armies often warred over territory. Even during the Cold War, when both powers were nominally communist, there was a dangerous rivalry between Moscow and Beijing that occasionally devolved into large-scale border skirmishes. Why has the Sino-Russian relationship taken such a friendly turn, especially in the last decade?

    Russian Yin, Chinese Yang
    On the economic front, the strengths and weaknesses of the two powers compliment each other nicely. Russia is a vast, energy-rich, and increasingly under-populated land with significant scientific expertise. Meanwhile, China's rapidly expanding urban centers are hungry for the natural resources and technical knowledge found in abundance throughout Russia.

    Energy politics featured heavily during the Xi-Putin summit. China agreed to lend Russian state-owned energy company Rosneft US$2 billion in exchange for a planned tripling of Russian oil exports to China. Xi Jinping also made a call to expand Sino-Russian trade from the sphere of raw materials into other realms:
    It is rational now to stimulate developing relations not only in raw economic, but also in investment, high technologies and finances, to start cooperating not only in trade but also in joint research and manufacturing. [2]
    Annual trade between Russia and China currently stands at around $88 billion. Both sides have a clear interest in increasing this figure.

    While economics is an important factor of the Sino-Russian relations, the primary driver of ties between Moscow and Beijing is strategic. Both powers feel immense pressure from the world's sole "hyperpower". Russia has long viewed expansion of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization deep into Eastern Europe as an aggressive move. China now has very similar concerns about Washington's militarized "pivot" to Asia and support for Japan, Vietnam, and the Philippines in their territorial disputes with Beijing. Moscow and Beijing have immense interests in countering Washington's expanding military presence in what is perceived as their strategic backyards.

    However, Washington's positioning of conventional military forces near the heartlands of China and Russia is not nearly as perturbing as America's push for full strategic nuclear superiority. Moscow and Beijing jointly view Washington's development and deployment of missile defense systems as an existential threat to their nuclear deterrents.

    If the doctrine of Mutually Assured Destruction no longer held true, then the strategic environment of the globe's major powers could enter a new and dangerous phase - even in the absence of a full-blown Cold War style confrontation.

    Why Xi and Putin are MAD
    Russia has long condemned US and NATO missile defense plans in Europe as a peril to Russian nuclear deterrence. The United States claimed the system was in response to an Iranian nuclear threat - a threat that the United State's own intelligence services report does not currently exist.

    China has even more to fear from American missile defense systems. While Russia maintains an arsenal of well over 1,000 nuclear warheads, China is widely believed to have only several hundred. In the (unlikely) event of full-scale nuclear war, Russia could almost certainly overwhelm any America's missile defense system with sheer numbers. It is not clear whether China could do the same.

    Interestingly enough, US Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel publicized a change to American missile defense deployments just before Xi's trip to Moscow. Hagel announced a probable repositioning of missile defense systems from Poland to Alaska in order to counter North Korean threats. Secretary Hagel also confirmed plans to enhance missile defense capabilities in Japan. Chinese Foreign Minister Hong Lei quickly denounced these moves: "All measures seeking to increase military capacities will only intensify antagonism and will not help to solve the problem." [3]

    While North Korea talks tough, there are serious doubts as to whether its missiles pose a credible threat to the American mainland. On the other hand, American missile defense systems in Alaska and Japan would certainly pose a challenge to China's very real long-range nuclear capabilities.

    The timing and very public nature of the US repositioning is significant. It appears that the American redeployment of missile defense systems from Europe to the Pacific may have been, at least in part, an effort at dividing Russian and Chinese strategic opinion on the system.

    If that was indeed a motivation behind the American move, the attempt appears to have failed. Speaking on the planned repositioning of missile defense systems from Poland, Russian Deputy Defense Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said, "That is not a concession to Russia, nor do we regard it as such. All aspects of strategic uncertainty related to the creation of a US. and NATO missile defense system remain. Therefore, our objections also remain." [4]

    While no major power is seeking nuclear war, Russia and China must carefully review and amend their military doctrines in the light of American attempts to deploy an effective shield against inter-continental ballistic missiles. Washington's deployments of conventional forces near the frontiers of China and Russia cause further concerns for the potential loss of a credible nuclear deterrent. China and Russia are being pushed into their strategic embrace by a shared perception of American pressure.

    Russia and China serve to compliment each other economically and strategically. In the past, Russia worried about the vast Chinese population in close proximity to Russia's resource-rich Far East. China looked north and saw the threat of advanced military technology and the world's largest nuclear arsenal.

    Now these asymmetries are viewed as strategically useful. For the time being, Washington appears intent on simultaneously antagonizing the largest and the most populous nations on the planet. Any attempts to divide Russia and China are doomed to failure, so long as both countries feel pressure from a more powerful rival.

    Notes:
    1. Xi calls for new-type int'l relations, China Daily, March 24, 2013.
    2. China's Xi Jinping urges for stronger investment, high-tech ties with Russia, Russia Today, March 24, 2013.
    3. China warning after US missile defense plans, The News, March 18, 2013.
    4. Russia unfazed by US missile defense, United Press International.

    Brendan P O'Reilly is a China-based writer and educator from Seattle.

    in a bit more fantastical vein . . .

    BRICS go over the wall
    By Pepe Escobar

    Reports on the premature death of the BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa) have been greatly exaggerated. Western corporate media is flooded with such nonsense, perpetrated in this particular case by the head of Morgan Stanley Investment Management.

    Reality spells otherwise. The BRICS meet in Durban, South Africa, this Tuesday to, among other steps, create their own credit rating agency, sidelining the dictatorship - or at least "biased agendas", in New Delhi's diplomatic take - of the Moody's/Standard & Poor's variety. They will also further advance the idea of the BRICS Development Bank, with a seed capital of US$50 billion (only structural details need to be finalized), helping infrastructure and sustainable development projects.

    Crucially, the US and the European Union won't have stakes in this Bank of the South - a concrete alternative, pushed especially by India and Brazil, to the Western-dominated World Bank and the Bretton Woods system.

    As former Indian finance minister Jaswant Singh has observed, such a development bank could, for instance, channel Beijing's know-how to help finance India's massive infrastructure needs.

    The huge political and economic differences among BRICS members are self-evident. But as they evolve as a group, the point is not whether they should be protecting the global economy from the now non-stop crisis of advanced casino capitalism.

    The point is that, beyond measures to facilitate mutual trade, their actions are indeed becoming increasingly political - as the BRICS not only deploy their economic clout but also take concrete steps leading towards a multipolar world. Brazil is particularly active in this regard.

    Inevitably, the usual Atlanticist, Washington consensus fanatics - myopically - can see nothing else besides the BRICS "demanding more recognition from Western powers".

    Of course there are problems. Brazil, China and India's growth slowed down. As China, for instance, became Brazil's top trading partner - ahead of the US - whole sectors of Brazilian industry have suffered from the competition of cheap Chinese manufacturing.

    But some long-term prospects are inevitable. BRICS will eventually become more forceful at the International Monetary Fund. Crucially, BRICS will be trading in their own currencies, including a globally convertible yuan, further away from the US dollar and the petrodollar.

    That Chinese slowdown
    It was Goldman Sachs' Jim O'Neill who coined the term BRIC (no South Africa then) in 2001. It's enlightening to check what he thinks about it now.

    O'Neill points out that China, even growing by a "mere" 7.7% in 2012, "created the equivalent of another Greek economy every 11-and-a-half weeks". China's slowdown was "structural and cyclical" - a "planned downturn" to control overheating and inflation.

    The BRICS push is part of an irresistible global trend. Most of it is decoded here, in a new United Nations Development Programme report. The bottom line; the North is being overtaken in the economic race by the global South at a dizzying speed.

    According to the report, "for the first time in 150 years, the combined output of the developing world's three leading economies - Brazil, China and India - is about equal to the combined GDP of the long-standing industrial powers of the North".

    The obvious conclusion is that, "the rise of the South is radically reshaping the world of the 21st century, with developing nations driving economic growth, lifting hundreds of millions of people from poverty, and propelling billions more into a new global middle class."

    And bang in the middle of this process, we find an Eurasian epic; the development of the Russia-China strategic relationship.

    It's always about Pipelineistan
    Russian President Vladimir Putin is taking no prisoners; he wants to steer the BRICS towards "a full-scale strategic cooperation mechanism that will allow us to look for solutions to key issues of global politics together".

    This will imply a common BRICS foreign policy - and not only selective coordination on some themes. It will take time. It will be hard. Putin is very much aware of it.

    What makes it even more fascinating is that Putin advanced his ideas during last week's three-day visit to Moscow by new Chinese President Xi Jinping. He went out of his way to stress Russian-Chinese relations now are "the best in their centuries-long history".

    That's not exactly what hegemonic Atlanticists want to hear - still eager to frame the relationship in Cold War terms.

    Xi retributed in style; "We did not come to see you for nothing" - as is partially detailed here. And wait till China's creative drive starts yielding dividends.

    Inevitably, Pipelineistan is at the heart of the ultimate BRICS complementary relationship.

    China's need of Russia's oil and gas is a matter of national security. Russia wants to sell more and more of it, diversifying away from the West; moreover, Russia would more than welcome Chinese investment in its Far East - the immense Trans-Baikal region.

    And by the way, the "yellow peril" is not taking over Siberia - as the West would have it. There are only 300,000 Chinese living in Russia.

    A direct consequence of the Putin-Xi summit is that from now on Beijing will pay in advance for Russian oil - in exchange for a share in a number of projects, for instance as in CNPC and Rosneft jointly exploring offshore blocks in the Barents Sea and other blocks onshore Russia.

    Gazprom, for its part, clinched a long awaited gas deal with CNPC; 38 billion cubic meters a year delivered by the ESPO pipeline from Siberia starting in 2018. And by the end of 2013, a new Chinese contract with Gazprom will be finalized, involving gas supply for the next 30 years.

    The geopolitical ramifications are immense; importing more gas from Russia helps Beijing to gradually escape its Malacca and Hormuz dilemma - not to mention industrialize the immense, highly populated and heavily dependent on agriculture interior provinces left behind in the economic boom.

    That's how Russian gas fits into the Chinese Communist Party's master plan; configuring the internal provinces as a supply base for the increasingly wealthy, urban, based in the east coast, 400 million-strong Chinese middle class.

    When Putin stressed that he does not see the BRICS as a "geopolitical competitor" to the West, it was the clincher; the official denial that confirms it's true. Durban may be solidifying just the beginning of such a competition. It goes without saying that Western elites - even mired in stagnation and bankruptcy - won't let any of their privileges go without a fierce fight.

    http://www.atimes.com/

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    I'm not sure the second (asia times) article is necessarily all that fantastical. The part about Russia and China both benefitting significantly from oil-sales agreements makes a lot of sense. And it isn't crazy to think that Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs have a financial interest in presenting a slanted viewpoint, nor to think that Washington is willing to listen to them.

    But I'm intrigued. I know very little about the asia times. I've found some of their stuff that's been posted here before thought-provoking, if not necessarily incredibly well documented. Does anyone know more about them? How credible are they? Is there any particular reason to think they might have a strong agenda of their own? (Other than the fact that they're a media source. )

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      The BRICS is entirely a construct by the Wall Street squid that plays well in the MSM to sell advertising.

      It was a combination of two resource rich exporting nations (now 3) coupled with two (then) high-growth resource consuming nations...spread over 4 continents with nothing much in common with one another. I find the idea of some sort of durable BRICS association fanciful as it serves no function in developing logical bilateral trade arrangements between pairs of participants, and I've never been able to see what sort of multi-lateral arrangement (trade or otherwise) made any sense among these four (now 5) completely disparate nations. At least the EU has a common history, religion and basis for its languages - and look at the stresses it has endured even before the currency crisis hit. BRICS has none of that. If someone can make a cogent argument for what is the common cohesive glue that will durably bind the BRICS I am all ears.

      Does anybody really think that China is going to increase energy ties with Russia in a way that impairs it's energy trade links and relationships with all other suppliers? Does anybody think that India is going to put its own considerable iron ore industry at risk by opening its doors to the more efficient, higher average grade Brazilians? I can list a dozen other examples that come to mind.

      I wonder how they set the lunch menus at the BRICS meetings...biltong starter, a second course of feijoada, followed by curried chicken over chow mein and a vodka chaser?
      Last edited by GRG55; March 26, 2013, 01:59 PM.

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        Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
        The BRICS is entirely a construct by the Wall Street squid that plays well in the MSM to sell advertising.

        It was a combination of two resource rich exporting nations (now 3) coupled with two (then) high-growth resource consuming nations...spread over 4 continents with nothing much in common with one another. I find the idea of some sort of durable BRICS association fanciful as it serves no function in developing logical bilateral trade arrangements between pairs of participants, and I've never been able to see what sort of multi-lateral arrangement (trade or otherwise) made any sense among these four (now 5) completely disparate nations. At least the EU has a common history, religion and basis for its languages - and look at the stresses it has endured even before the currency crisis hit. BRICS has none of that. If someone can make a cogent argument for what is the common cohesive glue that will durably bind the BRICS I am all ears.

        Does anybody really think that China is going to increase energy ties with Russia in a way that impairs it's energy trade links and relationships with all other suppliers? Does anybody think that India is going to put its own considerable iron ore industry at risk by opening its doors to the more efficient, higher average grade Brazilians? I can list a dozen other examples that come to mind.

        I wonder how they set the lunch menus at the BRICS meetings...biltong starter, a second course of feijoada, followed by curried chicken over chow mein and a vodka chaser?
        I'm with you about the overall theme; these don't have much to do with one another.

        But Russia and China do have real synergistic possibilities, wouldn't you say?

        China could soon be desperate for energy, Russia exports it.
        There are historical elements that tie them left over from the communist era.
        Geographical proximity is certainly helpful for running pipelines.
        Both want to be on a trajectory of at least competition, if not conflict, with the west.
        You mention religion. In spite of a resurgence of orthodoxy in Russia, I'm not sure that China's anti-religion stance will bother them much. (I am under a vague impression many still haven't returned to the church there.)
        Both resent the west droning on about human rights violations.
        They've both played similar roles in blocking UN security council votes about various military interventions.

        If China and the west start bumping up against each other more seriously, I would imagine that China would appreciate having an alternative supplier available to them, even if it is just to use as a negotiating threat.

        I don't see it as ridiculous. I don't have any firm evidence yet, of course, but I don't discount it out-of-hand.

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          I'd put US containment as the #1 incentive for China and Russia's mutual interests.

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            Originally posted by astonas View Post
            I'm with you about the overall theme; these don't have much to do with one another.

            But Russia and China do have real synergistic possibilities, wouldn't you say?...
            Yes, I referred to that:

            "...I find the idea of some sort of durable BRICS association fanciful as it serves no function in developing logical bilateral trade arrangements between pairs of participants, and I've never been able to see what sort of multi-lateral arrangement (trade or otherwise) made any sense among these four (now 5) completely disparate nations..."

            Likewise there is a logical pairing between South Africa and India. One needs more raw materials (albeit not on the same scale as China) and one needs to develop more resource exports if it intends to grow its economy. Geographic proximity (Indian Ocean region) would seem one supporting element. Both are members of the British Commonwealth, have a common working language at the government and commercial level, there are long established ties between those countries including a long established Indian business and professional community in South Africa. I don't see how an association with Brazil, China or Russia aids that in any way, in the same way as I don't see how BRICS is in any way useful in a China-Russia trade relationship.

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              Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
              Yes, I referred to that:

              "...I find the idea of some sort of durable BRICS association fanciful as it serves no function in developing logical bilateral trade arrangements between pairs of participants, and I've never been able to see what sort of multi-lateral arrangement (trade or otherwise) made any sense among these four (now 5) completely disparate nations..."
              Thanks, I had missed that.

              Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
              Likewise there is a logical pairing between South Africa and India. One needs more raw materials (albeit not on the same scale as China) and one needs to develop more resource exports if it intends to grow its economy. Geographic proximity (Indian Ocean region) would seem one supporting element. Both are members of the British Commonwealth, have a common working language at the government and commercial level, there are long established ties between those countries including a long established Indian business and professional community in South Africa. I don't see how an association with Brazil, China or Russia aids that in any way, in the same way as I don't see how BRICS is in any way useful in a China-Russia trade relationship.
              I would never have thought of South Africa and India in that way. Fascinating! There is no shortage of things to learn more about. It's too bad my vacation is almost over.

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                Originally posted by astonas View Post
                ...It's too bad my vacation is almost over.

                Well, we will all hope that you will find the time to continue your thoughtful and thought provoking postings!

                As for BRICS, it seems an organization looking for a purpose. Does it not seem deliciously ironic that in this week of Cyprus wreckage the best they could come up with was to start yet another bank...

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                  Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                  Well, we will all hope that you will find the time to continue your thoughtful and thought provoking postings!
                  Thanks. I'll certainly enjoy keeping the conversation going, but my posts will have to be more scarce.

                  "Vacation" is in this case a euphemism. I've been sick, stuck in bed with no access to my work computer, for the last bit, so iTulip has been keeping me company. Thank you all Now that I'm getting punchy again (as my mom used to say when I was growing up) "it's time to go back to school."

                  Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                  As for BRICS, it seems an organization looking for a purpose. Does it not seem deliciously ironic that in this week of Cyprus wreckage the best they could come up with was to start yet another bank...
                  Delectable! But FIRE will of course want to fight water with FIRE.
                  Last edited by astonas; March 26, 2013, 08:34 PM.

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                    I think there is something else to reinforce the importance of BRICS: to establish some currency to trade in different from the dollar.
                    There are big differences between BRICS, that´s true, but there is an enormous field for potential inter group commerce. Would this commerce be established not in dollars it would be a big blow to USA world dominance.
                    The establishment of a kind of "development bank" between them could mean a divestment for the USA-Europe centric IMF-WB system.
                    For now you can´t see any dramatic changes, but if political will is carried on...
                    Wait and see.
                    Just two of them, Russia and China have enormous economic, political and military power once they come to work together.
                    I am absolutely sure the ruling elite in Washington is quite worried.

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                      Originally posted by Southernguy View Post
                      I think there is something else to reinforce the importance of BRICS: to establish some currency to trade in different from the dollar.
                      There are big differences between BRICS, that´s true, but there is an enormous field for potential inter group commerce. Would this commerce be established not in dollars it would be a big blow to USA world dominance.
                      The establishment of a kind of "development bank" between them could mean a divestment for the USA-Europe centric IMF-WB system.
                      For now you can´t see any dramatic changes, but if political will is carried on...
                      Wait and see.
                      Just two of them, Russia and China have enormous economic, political and military power once they come to work together.
                      I am absolutely sure the ruling elite in Washington is quite worried.
                      The currency arrangements must be bilateral. They aren't proposing to create a new common BRICS currency, gawd forbid, so it means that they will continue the process already started to come to bilateral agreements to use paired currencies for part of their trade. China and Russia started the ball rolling in late 2010, and since then China has been the instigator of a series of bilateral currency arrangements to "internationalize" the yuan with Hong Kong, Turkey, the UAE, Brazil and Australia. It's all part of what EJ calls the long process of the "decommissioning of the US Dollar" as the sole global reserve currency. The original idea was to reduce the cost of trade as each of the pair does not have to bear the cost of converting their own currency into Dollars first in order to settle trade transactions.

                      However, it would seem that another emerging motivation is the potential of a disruption to the global financial system originating from the USA or the US Dollar. I am not sure what that means to Washington D.C.; perhaps EJ can shed some light on that aspect? Regardless, it's clear from the list of countries above that membership in BRICS is irrelevant to striking these deals with China, or any other important trade partner it would seem. Personally I can't see anybody in Washington being any more or less concerned about this than they were yesterday or the day before...and the media chipmunks are just making chatter out of a now routine event with a catchy acronym to sell some adverts.

                      But I still can't quite see the purpose of BRICS. Even with that concern, and even within BRICS it is still strictly bilateral arrangements...news this morning out of China of the signing of a bilateral currency swap with Brazil that took almost a full year to conclude [highlights mine]:

                      The currency-swap agreement of Brazil and China signed Tuesday will guarantee bilateral trade over the coming years, Brazil's Central Bank governor Alexandre Tombini said.

                      At a press conference in Durban after the signing, Tombini said the agreement ensures trade flows between the two even if the global economy worsens.

                      "The goal of this swap agreement is to facilitate trade between the two countries, independently of international financial conditions," Tombini said.

                      "This is an important step in the strengthening of trade and financial ties between Brazil and China," he added.

                      Swap contracts to do business in national currencies are currently common among countries.

                      The agreement, signed between Brazil's Central Bank and the People's Bank of China, will be valid for three years, with the option of an extension, and allows for up to 60 billion Brazilian reals or 190 billion Chinese yuans (some 30 billion US dollars) of trade in their respective currencies.

                      The currency-swap agreement will mainly be used to promote trade, allowing each central bank to extend credit lines to other banks to finance trade between both countries.

                      "There are a series of available credit lines for exporters and importers in both territories," he said.

                      The agreement also guarantees trade volume independently of the situation of the international financial market.

                      "We will have this swap line of 30 billion dollars, which today are equivalent to 8 months of exportation from Brazil to China and 10 months of importation, a line that is large enough to make our trade operations function normally, regardless of the situation of the international financial market," he said...
                      Last edited by GRG55; March 26, 2013, 11:23 PM.

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                        Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                        Well, we will all hope that you will find the time to continue your thoughtful and thought provoking postings!

                        As for BRICS, it seems an organization looking for a purpose. Does it not seem deliciously ironic that in this week of Cyprus wreckage the best they could come up with was to start yet another bank...
                        Looks like they are cooling on the bank idea. Imagine that...

                        At least we know what they are going to do the next time they get together for lunch:
                        “There are lot of nuances which we will solve at the next summit”

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                          Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                          Looks like they are cooling on the bank idea. Imagine that...

                          At least we know what they are going to do the next time they get together for lunch:
                          “There are lot of nuances which we will solve at the next summit”
                          I sent a link to Alex Jurshevski on this new BRICS banks idea. He greeted it with laughter. He also sent me another example of what an actual sovereign debt restructuring plan looks like, as proposed to a former Eastern Block nation, made available to me under NDA to his firm.

                          I'm trying to think of a way to summarize the commonalities among the proposals and execution plans, without identifying the subject of any one of them, as I think that will help members understand why sovereign debt defaults occur.

                          It seems that all parties to a sovereign debt crisis are strongly motivated to find a way to avoid default as that outcome is a disaster for debtor and creditor alike, and for the non-participants as well, the average citizen. Then why do defaults happen so frequently?

                          First let's consider a few of the more critical dimensions.

                          1. Formation of a decision-making committee of representatives of relevant interest groups

                          The initial mission of this group is to evaluate debt restructuring options and choose the one that distributes the pain of a debt restructuring the most equitably. However, the selection process itself often results in a committee that is dominated by the most politically powerful interests, which guarantees than an inequitable is adopted that fails in the execution phase. A representative selected to represent a weaker political interest group may be chosen because the individual is known to not be respected by the interest group that he or she is supposed to represent. The composition of the committee largely determines the decisions it makes. The result of a poorly structured committee might be that the most politically powerful interest groups prevail and decisions that result in the avoidance of default are made. More likely the opposite. The point being that the course to default can potentially be set by the very composition of the decision-making body that is overseeing the debt restructuring process.

                          2. Size of decision-making group

                          Assuming the committee is functional not dysfunctional by composition, there is the matter of size. A large committee representing a dozen or more interest groups is virtually guaranteed to never reach a decision. They will go over the cliff while arguing the smallest and most irrelevant details of the execution plan.

                          3. Time dimension

                          If the group gets as far as agreeing on an execution plan, many unexpected problems may arise during the plan execution phase. For example in the case of Cyprus the group floated the idea of a 10% "tax" on all deposits. It did not occur to them that this might result in bank runs, requiring the banks to be closed, causing a major slowdown in the economy, further weakening the country's credit position. The longer the execution phase goes on, the more likely the plan will go off the rails. Political backlash will increase along with pressures on committee members to shift position.


                          4. Lack of leadership

                          No decision-making body can function without one member stepping out to force a decision. The majority of members will choose to defer decisions until it is too late. It is always safer to hide in the safety of group responsibility than to stand out with a strong position and force it on the others, in the process taking personal responsibility for the outcome. If there is no leadership then the group, again, will tend go over the cliff while endlessly debating but reaching no decision.

                          There is far more to it than this. Maybe I can talk Alex into working with me on a straw man UST restructuring plan. I think the process will reveal the impracticality of it.
                          Last edited by EJ; March 28, 2013, 09:22 AM.

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                            "Gentlemen! I too have been a close observer of the doings of the Bank of the United States. I have had men watching you for a long time, and am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country.

                            When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank...You are a den of vipers and thieves. I have determined to rout you out, and by the Eternal, (bringing his fist down on the table) I will rout you out."

                            Andrew Jackson

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                              Originally posted by GRG55
                              As for BRICS, it seems an organization looking for a purpose.
                              I disagree with that.

                              Many of the BRICS nations - Russia and China in particular - are historical rivals. But this means nothing if there is a greater threat.

                              And there is one: a superpower US economy with its equivalently supersized military.

                              The BRICS nations have directly felt the effects of the US domination over reserve currency - this doesn't mean they are a happy family, but it does lend some incentive to cooperate so long as the existential threat is still present.

                              And for those who say this is inherently unstable - there are numerous examples of similarly 'unnatural' positions: Iran and the US being a prime one. The greatest threat to Iran has always been Russia - because no one else is anywhere near large enough to be a threat. That's why the US was so cozy with Iran pre-Islamic revolution.

                              The BRICS bank is a different proposition, however. The IMF and World Bank have US and UK fingers on the till - the BRICS have felt this directly and so no one wants a similar 'veto' control in a BRICS bank. And if there isn't a direct benefit, what exactly is the point of creating a BRICS bank then?

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