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    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...0C81DL20130316

    Frustration over a delayed bailout turned to incredulity and anger in Cyprus on Saturday as islanders woke up to news that savers would be footing part of the bill to avert national bankruptcy.


    In a radical departure from previous euro zone rescues for Greece, Ireland, Portugal and Spain, finance ministers struck a deal to lend the indebted island 10 billion euros ($13 billion). But in return, depositors would have to forfeit up to 10 percent of their savings.


    Small queues of people gathered at cash machines across the island to withdraw money on Saturday, while co-operative credit societies had to shut to prevent a run on deposits.


    A levy of 9.9 percent on deposits exceeding 100,000 euros, and of 6.7 percent on anything below that, is expected to generate 5.8 billion euros for Cyprus, which first applied for a bailout in June 2012.


    The levy must be ratified by parliament before banks open on Tuesday, since Monday is a public holiday.



    "My initial reaction is one of shock," said Nicholas Papadopoulos, head of parliament's financial affairs committee. "This decision is much worse than what we expected and contrary to what the government was assuring us, right up until last night," he told Reuters.


    CAPITAL FLIGHT


    Papadopoulos, vice-chairman of the Democratic Party which is a coalition partner in government, said he did not want to predict how parliament would vote.


    "If we go ahead with this, there is a great risk it is not the end, the banking system will still face instability because it will face a significant capital flight," he said.


    It was unclear when parliament would convene, but banks had already taken steps to freeze the equivalent in deposit accounts.


    Cyprus's euro zone partners had expressed an unwillingness to bail out an island some say is awash with Russian cash. But of an estimated 69 billion euros in the Cypriot banking system, only 37 percent is held by non-residents.


    "I am extremely angry. I worked years and years to get it together and now I am losing it on the say-so of the Dutch and the Germans. It's not hitting the Russians," said British Cypriot Andy Georgiou, 54.


    Georgiou moved his life savings to Cyprus in mid-2012, after selling his home in London.


    BITTER PILL


    The levy is a bitter pill for Cyprus, which took a disproportionately large hit from Greece's debt restructuring in early 2012 because of the close financial ties between the two countries. Its two largest banks sustained combined losses of 4.5 billion euros, equivalent to a quarter of the island's gross domestic product.


    "I would like to know where that EU solidarity is. What did we get? Nothing," said mechanic Yiannis Pavlou, 28.


    Savers reported they could withdraw cash, but couldn't carry out electronic transfers of funds. In Larnaca, co-op credit societies had to shut for business when people started queueing for their deposits.


    "I thought anything below 100,000 euros would be safe," said private sector worker Andri Menelaou, 25, referring to a deposit threshold guaranteed by the state. "I don't have much but I don't see why I should pay for bank mistakes."

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    Re: Cypriots Stunned by Forced Savings Cuts

    And scantly more than two weeks ago, the president of Cyprus had said:

    "The new president dismissed any suggestion that Cyprus should entertain a haircut on its bank deposits as some in Europe have suggested. 'This does not constitute evidence of solidarity and any reference to a haircut on deposits or public debt is not accepted. Similar issues are not up for discussion.'"

    From
    http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/afp/130228/new-cyprus-president-vows-stop-economic-slide

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      Re: Cypriots Stunned by Forced Savings Cuts

      the money goes from the small-medium savers to the international banks/bondholders. hmmm....

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        Madonna's Holiday (with a little help)



        Holiday
        Celebrate
        A Bank Holiday
        Oh, oh ... Mama

        Ce-le-brate

        If we took a holiday
        Took time to ca-li-brate
        Just once out of the daze
        It would be, it could be, soooo nice

        Everybody spread the word
        All across the world
        In every nation


        It's time for the good times
        Forget about the bad times,
        I know you know how

        Ho -Li- Day!

        It could be so nice

        Turn this world around
        Bring back those happy daze
        Just pull your trousers down
        It's time to celebrate!

        Let love shine
        And we will find
        A way to
        fall

        all together now!

        Just one more day
        You gotta million to spare
        It would be . . .
        oh so nice

        These Bank Holidazes


        Jamie, Lloyd - strong on the chorus

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        • #5
          Re: Cypriots Stunned by Forced Savings Cuts

          And from various Russian businesses (or "businesses")...

          Russia’s Cyprus problem

          Over the past few months, a lot of questions have been raised about the share of Russian money flowing through Cyprus, not always legally, and what effect this would have on an EU bailout for the island.

          Now as EU leaders prepare to meet and discuss the bailout this Friday, Moody’s raises two equally important questions: How at risk are Russian banks and companies to problems in the Cypriot banking sector? And how likely are Russian depositors and creditors to get their money back after an EU-managed bailout?

          Much of the Russian money that travels to Cyprus ends up coming right back to Russia, with many Cyprus-based companies of Russian origin borrowing from Russian banks and using the funds to reinvest back into Russia.

          The problem for these companies would arise if as part of an EU bailout Cyprus introduced restrictions on external payments, potentially causing those Cypriot-based holdings “to enter into technical defaults, increasing risks for lenders”, warns Moody’s in a new report.

          “This is because cash flows used by these borrowers to repay their loans originate from Russia and often go through Cyprus, to be later repaid to Russian banks from Cyprus. In case of restrictions, Cyprus would simply block debt repayments to Russian banks.”

          The Russian lenders that have exposure to Cypriot-based borrowers include Gazprombank, Nomos, Sberbank, Alfa and most notably state-owned VTB, whose Cypriot subsidiary had a total of $13.8bn in assets and $374m in equity of $374 million at the end of 2011, Moody’s notes.

          It is hard to overstate just how much exposure both Russian lenders and Russian companies have to the Cypriot banking sector. Here are some mind-boggling statistics from Moody’s:

          Russian banks’ cross-board loans to Cypriot-based Russian companies totaled $30-40bn at the end of 2012 – that is equal to 15-20 per cent of Russian banks’ capital base in Russia, and 5-6 per cent of their gross corporate loans.

          Russian corporate deposits in Cyprus totaled an estimated $19bn at the end of August – an amount that is equal to 7 per cent of all the corporate deposits in Russia, excluding current accounts.

          While Russian companies aren’t directly affected by the downturn in Cyprus since much of the money is simply flowing in from Russia and right back out, problems could arise if, as mentioned, Cyprus puts a moratorium on external payments which could “block loan repayments to Russia, leading to some asset quality pressure”, Moody’s says.
          One would guess that there might be some degree of blowback from this.

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          • #6
            Re: Cypriots Stunned by Forced Savings Cuts





            thanks to zerohedge

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            • #7
              Re: Cypriots Stunned by Forced Savings Cuts

              Originally posted by mmr View Post
              And from various Russian businesses (or "businesses")...



              One would guess that there might be some degree of blowback from this.
              Finally, your money is safer under your mattress.

              Let the bank runs begin...

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              • #8
                Re: Cypriots Stunned by Forced Savings Cuts

                How long until some archduke gets shot?

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                  Re: Cypriots Stunned by Forced Savings Cuts

                  http://theautomaticearth.com/Finance...whos-next.html

                  Overnight last night, the Eurogroup (Eurozone executive committee) negotiated a deal for a bailout of the banking system in Cyprus. As part of the deal, a one-time, one-off levy on depositors was agreed: deposits below €100,000 are subject to a 6.75% levy, while those over €100,000 are subject to a 9.99% "fine".

                  While none of the timing is surprising - late Friday, early Saturday is always the ideal time to push such measures down people's throats -, neither did it come as a surprise that a bank run ensued as soon as those few Cypriot banks that do business on Saturday mornings, opened their doors.

                  This had been foreseen, of course. And so capital controls had been set up beforehand. In this case, limited deposit withdrawals and a full suspension of internet banking. The justification for all this can be found in the large amounts of Russian - allegedly black market - deposits in Cyprus. But while that may be presented as justification, it's by no means not where the potential fall-out will halt.

                  After all, what's to say that what can be done to depositors in Cyprus' banks, cannot just as easily be repeated for Greek, Italian, Spanish ones? If the EU wasn't yet scared enough of Beppe Grillo and his still surging popularity, now would be a good time to start being afraid. While everyone's focus is on the Russian mob, nobody (just read the press reports today) talks about the law-abiding Cypriots who see their hard earned savings wealth forcibly taken from them. Nobody but the likes of Grillo, that is. Who said earlier this week that (northern) Europe would drop Italy like a stone once German, French and Dutch banks have shed their risky Italian assets.

                  Besides, if you think the Russian deposit holders are fatally wounded right now, think again. They've seen this coming for at least 6 months, they've had all the time they need to move assets around, and, if anything, will simply use this decision to launder a lot of capital, and happily pay a 10% fee for the honor.

                  Cyprus is small, and the hope is that hardly anyone will notice what happens there, or be interested. But throughout the Eurozone over the past five years, deposit guarantees have risen, in a so far pretty successful attempt to prevent bank runs. Overnight, that model has now been thrown out with the bathwater. And all of Europe should be wary of what happened. A precedent has been set, and what's good for the goose fits the gander.

                  Not that German, French, Dutch depositors will lose sleep right this moment, but then that's precisely the idea. The EU core nations have so far been able to convince their citizens that they are rich and their economies recovering, and everything's under control. Moreover, the story that Russian criminals get a 10% haircut goes down well among the respectable citizenry. What happens if and when Italy or Spain need a bailout like Cyprus is not even considered. But maybe that's not so smart.

                  The Cyprus bailout was ostensibly executed to "save the Eurozone”. And it was presented as a one-off. But so was Greece and its forced haircuts for investors. You can only have so many one-offs and remain credible. European economies are all still deteriorating, though admittedly there are a few choice German numbers that are not all bad. But there can be no doubt that pressure on the EU/Eurogroup to step in again in some country will arise some time soon. Will that country's depositors leave their money in the bank when that threat becomes real, or will they take it out? What would you do now the Cyprus example is in place?

                  It's true that Cyprus banks are bloated with assets at 800% of GDP. That's about the same as Ireland, and everyone agrees that "something must be done". Iceland once stood at 1000%, but it's an order of magnitude smaller even than Cyprus, and not a Eurozone member, just like Malta, which presently stands at 1000%.

                  The picture may change for other Europeans, however, when they realize that overall EU bank assets in 2012 were 366% of GDP, at €47.3 trillion ($61.5 trillion). And if those numbers look too abstract, here's a comparison: in 2011, US bank assets were at 74% of GDP (€8.6 trillion), and Japan's 178% (€7.1 trillion). How about that for perspective?

                  Among individual member nations, bank assets vs GDP differ. France and The Netherlands clock well over 400%, Germany, Spain and Portugal over 300%, while Italy is well below 300%. That almost makes the latter look like a cautious nation, until you look at issues like government debt.

                  Overall, these numbers draw an excellent picture of why it's so hard to agree on a banking union. Actually, it's merely a part of the picture, but it still speaks loud enough. That banking union will, guaranteed, even if it is at some point established, never include the UK. There, bank assets are quite a stretch over 500% of GDP, and there are estimates that put that number much higher still. There is no doubt that Britain has a hugely bloated financial sector, i.e. The City, and it has no other policies in place than to protect it, let it grow even further and increase its economic dependency on the financial sector.

                  With total EU bank assets at €47.3 trillion, private sector deposits at €10.2 trillion (equal to total UK bank assets) and total deposits at €17 trillion, there's a substantial gap (or several), comprised to a considerable extent of risk-carrying assets. This risk, when combined with overall plunging economic prospects, leaves Europe with a poisonous financial mix. And as much as those involved can try to smooth-talk it all over, you can bet your donkey that for the law-abiding hard working citizens of the next rescue case, the world will be cast in the gloomy light of what happened to Cyprus on Saturday, March 16 2013.

                  And they don't even yet have to know that Europe's shadow banking system adds another €17 trillion to the risk picture. They have been sufficiently warned: Brussels has laid out its true intentions on the table. Like a big red flag. In Europe, the much touted government deposit insurance itself has now become a risky asset.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Cypriots Stunned ..ngs Cuts

                    From The Economist:
                    The Cyprus bail-out

                    Unfair, short-sighted and self-defeating
                    Mar 16th 2013, 14:54 by A.P

                    IT IS not a fudge, but it is still a failure. The euro zone’s bail-out of Cyprus, which was sealed in the early hours of Saturday, did get the bill for creditor countries down from €17 billion to €10 billion, as had been rumoured. But the way it did so was somewhat unexpected.

                    A one-off 9.9% levy will be imposed on all deposits over the insurance threshold of €100,000 before banks reopen after a bank holiday on Monday. That idea had been in the air for a while, not least because a lot of those uninsured deposits came from outside Cyprus, and from Russia in particular. The politics of saving wealthy Russians with money loaned by thrifty Germans were always going to be tricky.

                    What had not been anticipated was a 6.75% loss for savers with deposits in Cypriot banks below the insurance ceiling. Cypriots woke up this morning to find bank branches closed to them. By the time they will be able to get at their money, it will be too late. The offer of equity in banks to replace the value of their savings is meant to be a balm but it’s not a choice they would have made. Why this decision was taken is not yet clear. The most plausible explanation is that the Cypriot government itself preferred to spread the pain rather than wipe out non-resident depositors and jeopardise its long-term prospects as an offshore financial centre for Russian and other money.

                    Whatever the rationale, it is a mistake for three reasons. The first error is to reawaken contagion risk elsewhere in the euro zone...

                    ...The second error is one of equity. There is an argument to be made over the principles of bailing in uninsured depositors. And there is a case for hitting everyone in Cypriot banks before any taxpayer in another country. But there is no moral imperative for whacking Cypriot widows and leaving senior bank bondholders untouched, as appears to be the case here; or not imposing any losses on sovereign-debt investors in Cyprus; or protecting depositors in the Greek operations of Cypriot banks, as has also happened. The euro zone may cloak this bail-out in the language of fairness but it is a highly selective treatment...

                    ... The final error is strategic. The Cypriot deal has no coherence in the larger context. The euro crisis has been in abeyance for a few months, thanks largely to the readiness of the European Central Bank to intervene to help struggling countries. The ECB’s price for helping countries is to insist they go into a bail-out programme. The political price of going into a programme has just gone up, so the ECB’s safety net looks a little thinner...The bail-out appears to move Europe further away from the institutional reforms that are needed to resolve the crisis once and for all...

                    ...Other than that, it is a really good deal.


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                    • #11
                      Re: Cypriots Stunned ..ngs Cuts

                      gotta wonder how many inside the beltway are watching the reaction to this....

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                      • #12
                        Re: Madonna's Holiday (with a little help)

                        Originally posted by don View Post
                        all together now!

                        Just one more day
                        You gotta million to spare
                        It would be . . .
                        oh so nice

                        These Bank Holidazes



                        well... theres at least one with perspective (and The Means to React appropriately - imagine a place where one couldnt - not sure i'd want to be there...)

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                        • #13
                          Re: Madonna's Holiday (with a little help)

                          I was reading a forum comment on another site that said there is going to be an emergency cabinet meeting by Cyprus politicos on Sunday.

                          Q1) Assuming, they don't/can't/won't somehow undo this, what do you think are the odds of the start of a full blown bank run in Spain, Portugal, Italy next week as the news spreads?
                          Q2) What is the precedent for government action in the face of some significant percentage of probability of an upcoming bank run? These are serious questions, I have a large family in Portugal. Thanks.

                          If your advice is "be the first to panic, even if nothing happens", what actions should be taken. Withdraw xxx,xxx Euros... and then what, hold them under the proverbial mattress for a couple of weeks until things calm down? How come the Euro hasn't taken a hit yet with this news?
                          Warning: Network Engineer talking economics!

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                          • #14
                            Re: Madonna's Holiday (with a little help)

                            Originally posted by Adeptus View Post
                            I was reading a forum comment on another site that said there is going to be an emergency cabinet meeting by Cyprus politicos on Sunday.

                            Q1) Assuming, they don't/can't/won't somehow undo this, what do you think are the odds of the start of a full blown bank run in Spain, Portugal, Italy next week as the news spreads?
                            Q2) What is the precedent for government action in the face of some significant percentage of probability of an upcoming bank run? These are serious questions, I have a large family in Portugal. Thanks.

                            If your advice is "be the first to panic, even if nothing happens", what actions should be taken. Withdraw xxx,xxx Euros... and then what, hold them under the proverbial mattress for a couple of weeks until things calm down? How come the Euro hasn't taken a hit yet with this news?
                            I'm assuming that everybody that is in a position to do so has already moved their money to France or England or "somewhere safe". The people with money still in Portuguese banks can safely be screwed to the wall without fear of annoying any rich people. My fear is that this precedent will be applied evenhandedly throughout the euro-zone. It makes England look like a solid destination.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Madonna's Holiday (with a little help)

                              Originally posted by globaleconomicollaps View Post
                              I'm assuming that everybody that is in a position to do so has already moved their money to France or England or "somewhere safe". The people with money still in Portuguese banks can safely be screwed to the wall without fear of annoying any rich people. My fear is that this precedent will be applied evenhandedly throughout the euro-zone. It makes England look like a solid destination.
                              Are you sure?

                              England was the place where the first bank run of this financial crisis happened. Back in September of 2007. It didn't stop until Sept 17 when Alistair Darling, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, gave a taxpayer-backed guarantee that all the existing deposits were safe.

                              Quite a different matter from what just happened to depositors in Cyprus I will admit. But this is no longer 2007 either...

                              (after the run started the bank became popularly known as Northern Crock)...

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