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  • #91
    Re: The real risk

    Lek is not arguing.

    There is an anti nuke element in the west that cries about global warming, and at the same time is against any new nuclear construction to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels. Meanwhile Asia recognizes the problems with pollution vs. economic growth so they are building nuclear plants at breakneck speed.

    The article cited may just be about John Wayne, but Lek is right about natural radiation all around us.

    By the way I understand the real dangers of radiation. My father in law died at 58 from bone cancer because of exposure to nuclear testing that was done to close to soldiers assigned to watch it.

    Safe, new technology nuclear plants are not the problem, alarmists are.

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    • #92
      Re: The real risk

      Originally posted by vt View Post
      Lek is not arguing. ...
      Safe, new technology nuclear plants are not the problem, alarmists are.
      +1
      just stating the obvious
      the real madness is NOT developing the technology that we - The US - INVENTED, paid thru the nose for, OWN OUTRIGHT all of the design/manufacturing knowhow, raw material, have the truly world-class construction workforce to build em - that is MOSTLY SITTING AROUND ON OUR ASSES 'hoping for change' - whilst we let others EAT JUST ANOTHER OF OUR LUNCHES ???

      while (mostly the same group prefers) 'tilting at windmills' - (read: agitating for YET MORE TRILLION$ - to get maybe - what - another 3% of demand ?)

      all because some small % of the electorate - who've infiltrated/hijacked the lamerstream media - and CAN SCREAM LOUDER than The Rest of US - at the ballot box - while one particular segment of the political class PANDERS TO THEM, at the expense of The Rest of US!

      and when they CANT (prevail at the ballot box) - go to the courts to do it for them: the 5% who 'are afraid' ???

      but think its 'all good' to use stem-cell manipulation, mostly for their own VANITY

      WHERES THE OUTRAGE OVER THAT?

      i mean really - talk about fuc... uhhh... i mean.. messing with the most basic - not to mention CRITICAL ASPECTS of ALL LIFE on the planet -

      FOR VANITY
      ?

      talk about madness...
      Last edited by lektrode; June 09, 2015, 07:00 PM.

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      • #93
        Re: The real risk

        UN All-Clear Report

        A UN (UNSCEAR) report on April 2, 2014 on health impacts of the Fukushima accident concluded that any radiation-induced effects would be too small to identify. People were well protected and received “low or very low” radiation doses. UNSCEAR gave an all-clear report.

        Rebuttal of the UNSCEAR report by the German affiliate of the International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War d/d July 18, 2014 takes a defiant stance in opposition to the UN report, to wit: “The Fukushima nuclear disaster is far from over. Despite the declaration of ‘cold shutdown’ by the Japanese government in December 2011, the crippled reactors have not yet achieved a stable status and even UNSCEAR admits that emissions of radioisotopes are continuing unabated. 188 TEPCO is struggling with an enormous amount of contaminated water, which continues to leak into the surrounding soil and sea. Large quantities of contaminated cooling water are accumulating at the site. Failures in the makeshift cooling systems are occurring repeatedly. The discharge of radioactive waste will most likely continue for a long time.”

        “Both the damaged nuclear reactors and the spent fuel ponds contain vast amounts of radioactivity and are highly vulnerable to further earthquakes, tsunamis, typhoons and human error. Catastrophic releases of radioactivity could occur at any time and eliminating this risk will take many decades… It is impossible at this point in time to come up with an exact prognosis of the effects that the Fukushima nuclear disaster will have on the population in Japan… the UNSCEAR report represents a systematic underestimation and conjures up an illusion of scientific certainty that obscures the true impact of the nuclear catastrophe on health and the environment.”

        To read the full text of the rejoinder to the UN report, go to: https://japansafety.wordpress.com/tag/saitama/

        Following the meltdown, the Japanese government did not inform people of the ambient levels of radiation that blew back onto the island. Unfortunately and mistakenly, people fled away from the reactors to the highest radiation levels on the island at the time.

        As the disaster happened, enormous levels of radiation hit Tokyo. The highest radiation detected in the Tokyo Metro area was in Saitama with cesium radiation levels detected at 919,000 becquerel (Bq) per square meter, a level almost twice as high as Chernobyl’s “permanent dead zone evacuation limit of 500,000 Bq” (source: Radiation Defense Project).

        Fukushima’s Radiation and the Future

        Mari Yamaguchi, Associated Press (AP), June 12, 2015: “Four years after an earthquake and tsunami destroyed Japan’s Fukushima nuclear power plant, the road ahead remains riddled with unknowns… Experts have yet to pinpoint the exact location of the melted fuel inside the three reactors and study it, and still need to develop robots capable of working safely in such highly radioactive conditions. And then there’s the question of what to do with the waste… serious doubts about whether the cleanup can be completed within 40 years.”

        “Although the Chernobyl accident was a terrible accident, it only involved one reactor. With Fukushima, we have the minimum [of] 3 reactors that are emitting dangerous radiation. The work involved to deal with this accident will take tens of years, hundreds of years,” Prof. Hiroaki Koide (retired), Kyoto University Research Reactor Institute, April 25, 2015. “It could be that some of the fuel could actually have gone through the floor of the containment vessel as well… What I’ve just described is very, very logical for anyone who understands nuclear engineering or nuclear energy,” which dreadfully spells-out: THE CHINA SYNDROME.

        According to the Smithsonian, April 30, 2015: “Birds Are in a Tailspin Four Years After Fukushima: Bird species are in sharp decline, and it is getting worse over time… Where it’s much, much hotter, it’s dead silent. You’ll see one or two birds if you’re lucky.” Developmental abnormalities of birds include cataracts, tumors, and asymmetries.

        Fukushima’s still radiating, self-perpetuating, immeasurable, and limitless, like a horrible incorrigible Doctor Who monster encounter in deep space.

        Fukushima will likely go down in history as the biggest cover-up of the 21st Century.

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        • #94
          Re: The real risk

          Originally posted by don View Post
          UN All-Clear Report....

          Fukushima will likely go down in history as the biggest cover-up of the 21st Century.

          heh...

          not even close...

          the biggest ?
          (not even close, merely a small sample..)

          uhhh... well... some might say its 'partisan BS' ..

          but this is THe NUmeR0 U'no - and none of the lamerstream crowd will even acknowledge it, never mind 'investigate' = why PBS is worth every penny that We, The People are paying for

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          • #95
            other assessments

            Originally posted by don View Post
            UN All-Clear Report

            A UN (UNSCEAR) report on April 2, 2014 on health impacts of the Fukushima accident concluded that any radiation-induced effects would be too small to identify. People were well protected and received “low or very low” radiation doses. UNSCEAR gave an all-clear report.

            Rebuttal of the UNSCEAR report by the German affiliate of the International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War d/d July 18, 2014 takes a defiant stance in opposition to the UN report, to wit: “The Fukushima nuclear disaster is far from over. Despite the declaration of ‘cold shutdown’ by the Japanese government in December 2011, the crippled reactors have not yet achieved a stable status and even UNSCEAR admits that emissions of radioisotopes are continuing unabated. 188 TEPCO is struggling with an enormous amount of contaminated water, which continues to leak into the surrounding soil and sea. Large quantities of contaminated cooling water are accumulating at the site. Failures in the makeshift cooling systems are occurring repeatedly. The discharge of radioactive waste will most likely continue for a long time.”

            “Both the damaged nuclear reactors and the spent fuel ponds contain vast amounts of radioactivity and are highly vulnerable to further earthquakes, tsunamis, typhoons and human error. Catastrophic releases of radioactivity could occur at any time and eliminating this risk will take many decades… It is impossible at this point in time to come up with an exact prognosis of the effects that the Fukushima nuclear disaster will have on the population in Japan… the UNSCEAR report represents a systematic underestimation and conjures up an illusion of scientific certainty that obscures the true impact of the nuclear catastrophe on health and the environment.”

            To read the full text of the rejoinder to the UN report, go to: https://japansafety.wordpress.com/tag/saitama/

            Following the meltdown, the Japanese government did not inform people of the ambient levels of radiation that blew back onto the island. Unfortunately and mistakenly, people fled away from the reactors to the highest radiation levels on the island at the time.

            As the disaster happened, enormous levels of radiation hit Tokyo. The highest radiation detected in the Tokyo Metro area was in Saitama with cesium radiation levels detected at 919,000 becquerel (Bq) per square meter, a level almost twice as high as Chernobyl’s “permanent dead zone evacuation limit of 500,000 Bq” (source: Radiation Defense Project).

            Fukushima’s Radiation and the Future

            Mari Yamaguchi, Associated Press (AP), June 12, 2015: “Four years after an earthquake and tsunami destroyed Japan’s Fukushima nuclear power plant, the road ahead remains riddled with unknowns… Experts have yet to pinpoint the exact location of the melted fuel inside the three reactors and study it, and still need to develop robots capable of working safely in such highly radioactive conditions. And then there’s the question of what to do with the waste… serious doubts about whether the cleanup can be completed within 40 years.”

            “Although the Chernobyl accident was a terrible accident, it only involved one reactor. With Fukushima, we have the minimum [of] 3 reactors that are emitting dangerous radiation. The work involved to deal with this accident will take tens of years, hundreds of years,” Prof. Hiroaki Koide (retired), Kyoto University Research Reactor Institute, April 25, 2015. “It could be that some of the fuel could actually have gone through the floor of the containment vessel as well… What I’ve just described is very, very logical for anyone who understands nuclear engineering or nuclear energy,” which dreadfully spells-out: THE CHINA SYNDROME.

            According to the Smithsonian, April 30, 2015: “Birds Are in a Tailspin Four Years After Fukushima: Bird species are in sharp decline, and it is getting worse over time… Where it’s much, much hotter, it’s dead silent. You’ll see one or two birds if you’re lucky.” Developmental abnormalities of birds include cataracts, tumors, and asymmetries.

            Fukushima’s still radiating, self-perpetuating, immeasurable, and limitless, like a horrible incorrigible Doctor Who monster encounter in deep space.

            Fukushima will likely go down in history as the biggest cover-up of the 21st Century.

            Web MD on the risk:

            An assessment released by the U.S. Department of Energy on April 7 found that beyond a 25-mile radius surrounding the plant, radiation levels were consistently below those that would require people to be evacuated. Since March 19, the report says, radiation levels have continued to decline. "The headlines are making it sound like something has gotten worse, but when you look at where people are living, the situation is getting better,” Royal says.
            The only specific report I could find on Saitama reports 60k BQ/m^2, well below the value reported above.

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            • #96
              Re: The real risk

              Originally posted by shiny! View Post


              * Compilation of Radiation Studies Showing Health Risks

              So I guess I get a little touchy when lethal levels of nuclear fallout gets waved off as only "... a few clicks on a Geiger counter. Nothing to see here. Move along... "
              I would guess you're aware of radon then? We had to install a mitigation system in our house and it was only at 13pCi/L. The West has areas with some pretty high natural levels of radon (up to 100 or more).

              I bought a continuous monitoring radon meter for $120 and it sits in our basement. The mitigation system got us down to ~1.4pCi/L. I have not turned off the fan to see what would happen to the levels without it, so we only have the initial reading to indicate what the non mitigated levels would be.

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              • #97
                turn off the fan

                Originally posted by LorenS View Post
                I would guess you're aware of radon then? We had to install a mitigation system in our house and it was only at 13pCi/L. The West has areas with some pretty high natural levels of radon (up to 100 or more).

                I bought a continuous monitoring radon meter for $120 and it sits in our basement. The mitigation system got us down to ~1.4pCi/L. I have not turned off the fan to see what would happen to the levels without it, so we only have the initial reading to indicate what the non mitigated levels would be.
                Try turning the fan off and see what you get. I also have a Radon issue. My area has very high level, which include my basement, where I spend much time.

                The granite of South Carolina is very high in radon.

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                • #98
                  Re: turn off the fan

                  Is Fukushima Getting Worse?

                  On June 19th Tepco reported the highest-ever readings of strontium-90 outside of the Fukushima plant ports. The readings were 1,000,000 Bq/m3 of strontium-90 at two locations near water intakes for Reactors 3 and 4. Tepco has not been able to explain the spike up in readings. The prior highest readings were 700,000 Bq/m3. (Source here).

                  Strontium-90 is a byproduct of nuclear reactors or during the explosion of nuclear weapons, e.g., it is considered the most dangerous component of radioactive fallout from a nuclear weapon (Source: HyperPhysics, Dept. of Physics and Astronomy, Georgia State University). It is a cancer-causing substance because it damages genetic material (DNA) in cells. Strontium-90 is not found in nature. It’s a byproduct of the nuclear world of today, e.g., strontium-90 was only recently discovered, as of August 2014, for the first time ever, by the Vermont Health Department in ground water at the Vermont Yankee Nuclear Power Station (Source here). Coincidentally, Vermont Yankee, as of December 29, 2014, is being shut down.

                  When a fission chain reaction of uranium-235 or plutonium-239 is active in a nuclear power station containment vessel, it produces a vast array of deadly radioactive isotopes. Strontium-90 is but one of those. So, somewhere in Fukushima Dai-ichih a lot of atoms are splitting like crazy and ergo, a lot of strontium-90 pops out and hangs around for decades upon decades. This is not a small problem.

                  Which may be why Einstein famously said, “Nuclear power is one hell of a way to boil water.”

                  A large amount of strontium-90 erupted into the atmosphere from the Chernobyl nuclear explosion (1986), spread over the old Soviet Republics and parts of Europe.


                  According to the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute, Video- March 2015: “When Fukushima exploded, radioactive gases and particles escaped into the atmosphere.

                  Most fell nearby on land and in the ocean. A smaller amount remained in the air, and within days, circled the globe… in the ocean close to Fukushima, levels of cesium-137 and 134, two of the most abundant radioactive materials released, peaked at more than 50,000,000 times above background levels.”

                  Nevertheless, according to Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute: “Scientists who have modeled the plume predict that radioactivity along the West Coast of North America will increase, but will remain at levels that are not a threat to humans or marine life.”

                  To date, based upon actual testing of water and marine life in the Pacific Ocean by Woods Hole, radioactive levels along the North American West Coast remain low, not a threat to humans, not a threat to marine life, so far.


                  According to Dr. Ken Buesseler, Senior Scientist, Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute, March 11, 2015, cesium uptake in the marine food web is diluted, for example, when Bluefin tuna swim across the Pacific, they lose, via excretion, about one-half of the cesium intake that is ingested in Japanese waters.

                  Expectantly, there are no commercial fisheries open in the Fukushima-affected areas of Japan. On a continual monitoring basis, no fishing is allowed in contaminated areas off the coastlines.

                  When contamination levels of fish in Japan are compared to fish along the coast of North America, the levels of radiation are relatively low in Canada and in the U.S. As a result, according to studies by Woods Hole, eating fish from the U.S. Pacific region is okay.

                  According to Dr. Ken Buesseler of Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, who travels to Japan to measure radiation levels: the site continues to leak radioactive materials, with the release of strontium-90 having grown by a factor of 100 when compared to 2011 levels.

                  The world’s three most recent nuclear disasters are dissimilar in many respects.


                  Three Mile Island’s containment vessel, in large measure, fulfilled its purpose by containing most of the radiation so there was minimal radiation released. As such, Three Mile Island is the least harmful of the three incidents.

                  By way of contrast, Chernobyl did not have an adequate containment vessel and as a result, the explosion sent a gigantic plume of radioactive material blasting into the atmosphere, contaminating a 70 square kilometer (approximately 30 sq. mi.) region, a “dead zone” that is permanently uninhabitable.


                  The primary containment vessels at Fukushima may have prevented a Chernobyl-type massive release of radioactivity into the atmosphere in one enormous explosion.

                  Fukushima did have four hydrogen explosions in the secondary containment structures, and as previously mentioned, according to Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute,

                  “When Fukushima exploded… levels of cesium-137 and 134, two of the most abundant radioactive materials released, peaked at more than 50,000,000 times above background levels.”

                  More significant, the primary containment vessels themselves are an afflictive problem of unknown dimension, unknown timing, unknown levels of destruction, as the nuclear meltdown left 100 tons of white-hot radioactive lava somewhere.

                  The containment vessels are leaking radioactivity every day, every hour, every minute. How to stop it is not known.

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                  • #99
                    Re: turn off the fan

                    Fukushima Daisies . . . .

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