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  • Redbacks in America: San Francisco seeking to become a yuan trade center

    Interesting article because you have all the expected players sticking in their own 2 cents...

    http://www.sfgate.com/business/botto...#ixzz2LAv4a5fe

    For all its charms and concentrated wealth, San Francisco is not known as a world financial center like New York, Hong Kong or London.

    That may change if it succeeds in a drive to become the West Coast hub for business transactions conducted in Chinese currency.

    I'm told the city is working on a proposal to become a center for offshore trading in Chinese yuan, allowing the currency to be used more widely beyond China's borders.

    Mayor Ed Lee's office could not be reached for comment before press time Friday, but city officials are said to have lined up a "who's who in the San Francisco financial industry" to assist in the proposal.

    Should the idea bear fruit, San Francisco would join Hong Kong, London and Singapore as places where offshore trading in yuan (a.k.a. renminbi or RMB) is growing, as China slowly moves to open up its financial system.

    "It makes sense for an offshore center to be in a place like the San Francisco area that does a lot of trade-related business with China," said UC Berkeley economist Barry Eichengreen, author of "Exorbitant Privilege: The Rise and Fall of the Dollar and the Future of the International Monetary System."

    It also makes sense for the Chinese government, which would like to lessen the influence of U.S. dollars, the primary mechanism of international trade, and increase the influence of the yuan. At the same time, Chinese and U.S. companies doing business with one another can save costs incurred by going through the process of currency exchange and conversion, and will have more "redbacks" on hand to invest in China.

    "It can be a win-win," Eichengreen said.

    Local banks authorized to process accounts receivable in Chinese currency are an essential go-between for offshore trading. Wells Fargo, which began accepting deposits and providing loans in yuan at its Shanghai branch late last year, would seem to be a good candidate.

    Other banks mentioned in connection with the initiative include Silicon Valley Bank,which entered into a joint venture with Shanghai Pudong Development Bank last year; EastWest Bank, a Chinese American bank in Los Angeles with branches throughout California and China; and Bank of Communications, China's fifth-largest bank, which opened its West Coast flagship in San Francisco in 2011.

    If the city were to become an offshore hub, it probably won't happen anytime soon. Some people close to City Hall have quietly pursued the idea for more than a year, and it has a number of hoops to jump through, including go-aheads from the U.S. Federal Reserve and the Chinese government.

    Closing deals with Chinese entities takes time - witness the months it's taking to get San Francisco and China Development Bank to sign, seal and deliver the state-owned bank's $1.7 billion financing of the Hunters Point/Treasure Island project.

    And not everyone is enthused at the offshore yuan idea. "Most of the capital flowing out of China is government owned or controlled. That's the thumb China puts on the scale, until it's dissuaded or prevented from manipulating its currency," said Robert Scott, director of trade and manufacturing policy at the Economic Policy Institute in Washington.

    "Frankly, I'd much rather see San Francisco investing its energies in things inside the United States, like jobs and research and development."

    Ronald McKinnon
    , an international economist at Stanford University, doubts offshore yuan trading will do much to enhance China's standing in the international banking system.

    "In the end, (the yuan) cannot be a principal international currency as long as it maintains capital controls and additional limits on internal interest rates," said McKinnon, author, most recently, of the "The Unloved Dollar Standard: From Bretton Woods to the Rise of China."

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    Re: Redbacks in America: San Francisco seeking to become a yuan trade center

    Originally posted by San Francisco Chronicle
    It also makes sense for the Chinese government, which would like to lessen the influence of U.S. dollars, the primary mechanism of international trade, and increase the influence of the yuan. At the same time, Chinese and U.S. companies doing business with one another can save costs incurred by going through the process of currency exchange and conversion, and will have more "redbacks" on hand to invest in China.
    So in addition to acting as a way for China to bypass and erode the U.S.'s "exorbitant privilege" with other sovereigns, this also serves to help American corporations bypass some of the U.S. privilege of seigniorage? This is going to be interesting to watch.

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      Re: Redbacks in America: San Francisco seeking to become a yuan trade center

      yessir - as all them bernankebux - along with all the obamabux - flood thru the system, its bulging the balloon in all directions.

      am kinda sleepy this morning, saw the headline as "rednecks in america" - so natch, eye was intrested ;)

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      • #4
        Re: Redbacks in America: San Francisco seeking to become a yuan trade center

        Originally posted by c1ue View Post
        Interesting article because you have all the expected players sticking in their own 2 cents...

        http://www.sfgate.com/business/botto...#ixzz2LAv4a5fe
        why not nyc? 'cause the commies in sf want to help the commies in china... yep, yep.

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        • #5
          Re: Redbacks in America: San Francisco seeking to become a yuan trade center

          Originally posted by metalman View Post
          why not nyc? 'cause the commies in sf want to help the commies in china... yep, yep.
          you'd think there'd be some efficiencies in a west coast center since so much chinese trade goes through west coast ports. i'm sure it won't only be wells fargo doing the business, though. citi, morgan et all will have their pieces of the action.
          this is really a step towards the internationalization and eventual convertibility of the yuan. it has to become freely convertible to become a global reserve currency.

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          • #6
            Re: Redbacks in America: San Francisco seeking to become a yuan trade center

            Originally posted by jk View Post
            you'd think there'd be some efficiencies in a west coast center since so much chinese trade goes through west coast ports. i'm sure it won't only be wells fargo doing the business, though. citi, morgan et all will have their pieces of the action.
            this is really a step towards the internationalization and eventual convertibility of the yuan. it has to become freely convertible to become a global reserve currency.
            All other things being equal it shouldn't matter where such a financial service is located. Computers and digital data don't much care.

            But all things aren't equal, and I wonder if this location might also have something to do with needing to tap a talent pool of people fluent in Mandarin.

            Historically the Chinese preferred to live on the west coast (the railway legacy left S.F. and Vancouver, Canada with the two largest Chinatowns in North America). Even in this day of long distance commercial jet travel, I suspect they still prefer the west coast cities over living on the east coast (or anywhere inland in white bread America).

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            • #7
              Re: Redbacks in America: San Francisco seeking to become a yuan trade center

              Originally posted by jk View Post
              you'd think there'd be some efficiencies in a west coast center since so much chinese trade goes through west coast ports. i'm sure it won't only be wells fargo doing the business, though. citi, morgan et all will have their pieces of the action.
              this is really a step towards the internationalization and eventual convertibility of the yuan. it has to become freely convertible to become a global reserve currency.
              real elections, real constitution, real labor laws, real products, fake infrastructure, real currency...

              vs

              no elections, fake constitution, fake labor laws, fake products, fake infrastructure, fake currency...

              will you hold yuan?

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              • #8
                Re: Redbacks in America: San Francisco seeking to become a yuan trade center

                San Francisco’s Asian Population Will Soon Become the Majority

                by Andrew Lam
                Posted Tuesday, December 11, 2012 8:09 AM

                San Francisco is now part of a statewide trend that has resulted in majority becoming minority, with minority continuing to surge and multiply. The latest census showed that whites have slowly shrunk to 48 percent of the population in San Francisco, becoming another minority in a city that has no majority. The city's Asian population, on the other hand, has risen above the 33 percent mark. That is, one in three San Francisco residents has an Asian face. For the population under 18, the number for Asian closer to 40 percent.

                Politically and culturally, the result is something of a rumbling mid-Richter scale earthquake.

                So much so that the current San Francisco Magazine has an unflattering picture of Rose Pak, a political activist with strong advocacy for Chinatown, on its cover, smoking a cigar. The headline: Who Runs San Francisco?

                Within a couple decades, according to demographers, Asians will become San Francisco's largest ethnic group, surpassing whites and joining Honolulu as a major city with an Asian majority.

                But what does it mean when the city's compass is pointing increasingly toward the Pacific? For one thing, the new mayor, Ed Lee, is Chinese American mayor and speaks fluent Mandarin and Cantonese. His parents came to the United States in the '30s from Toishan, Guangdong Province in the 1930s. Of the 11 supervisors, four are Asians.

                Along with Ed Lee's rising political fortunes, there is an enormous shift in the cultural landscape. What were once considered private and esoteric passions and practices have, like the bok choy and string beans, spilled irrevocably into the public domain.

                The number-one overbooked restaurant on Opentable, Slanted Door, for instance, is owned by Charles Phan, a Vietnamese Chinese chef whose latest book, Vietnamese Home Cooking, allows Vietnamese food to be part of any American home.


                But perhaps the biggest result in the changes in San Francisco is this: Asian children growing up in the Bay Area these days do not see themselves as a minority. If anything, they see themselves playing a central role. After all, it is quite normal to see Asian homecoming queens and football stars. They are growing up at a time when being ethnic is chic and movement and communication back and forth across the Pacific Ocean are the norm. Asian students know, in fact, that the West is increasingly relying on the Far East for its sources of inspiration and entertainment, be it Thai food, Tibetan Buddhism or Japanese anime.

                Writer Richard Rodriguez once observed that each new wave of immigrants brings changes as radical as Christopher Columbus did to the Indians. This seems quite true if you take into account what I saw one Sunday in Golden Gate Park: a group of middle-aged, white and black Americans doing Tai Chi on the grass, led by an old Chinese woman. Watching them, it occurred to me that the Far East has come very near to the Wild West, and is beginning to subvert the age old black-white dialogue about identity and race, infusing it with even more complex model -- one informed by a trans-Pacific sensibility.

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                  Re: Redbacks in America: San Francisco seeking to become a yuan trade center

                  Whether this story is real or not is irrelevant, for the 2nd Order Cybernetic world in which we live is not external, is not independent from us, it is we who construct and recreate the world in which we live. Hence, the purpose of the story is to control the observer, who is an instrumental component in the feedback system. Reposting the story here helps complete the cycle by aiding in the development of neural networks of some inevitable future in the target audience.
                  The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge ~D Boorstin

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                  • #10
                    Re: Redbacks in America: San Francisco seeking to become a yuan trade center

                    Originally posted by GRG55
                    But all things aren't equal, and I wonder if this location might also have something to do with needing to tap a talent pool of people fluent in Mandarin.
                    The vast majority of Chinese in SF speak only Cantonese.

                    If you want Mandarin, then LA is where to go.

                    Originally posted by metalman
                    real elections, real constitution, real labor laws, real products, fake infrastructure, real currency...

                    vs

                    no elections, fake constitution, fake labor laws, fake products, fake infrastructure, fake currency...

                    will you hold yuan?
                    If history is any guide, yes.

                    The same could have been said for the US dollar vs. the British pound.

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