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    http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials...ete012913.html

    American Bases In Germany And The Gold Basis
    Antal E. Fekete
    27 January 2013
    Germany is neither independent nor sovereign, prevailing pretences notwithstanding. It has American troops on her soil for reasons unexplained and unexplainable after all Soviet occupying troops were withdrawn almost 25 years ago. Equally significant is the fact that the lion’s share of the German gold reserve is in American custody. If the Bundesbank asked for the repatriation of a token part of that gold over a long period of time, we may take it for granted that it was done on American instructions.

    But why would the Americans ask the Bundesbank to request the return of a part of German gold from the ‘safety’ of the basement of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York in lower Manhattan? Surely not because the vaults are bulging with American gold and they have to make room for more.

    It’s all grand theater. There is a hidden agenda that has to be camouflaged. The best way of doing it is to put up a show. The public is fascinated by images of shuffling central bank gold.

    One reason, perhaps the chief reason for this exercise is that the managers of the global fiat money system are preparing for the coming showdown, the final curtain on what some years ago I dubbed The Last Contango in Washington. In other words, policymakers are preparing for (or trying to fend off) permanent backwardation in the world’s gold futures markets that is threatening to rip apart the present shabby make-belief payments system of the world.

    Contango is the normal condition of the gold Futures markets when the spot price of gold is at a discount relative to the price of futures contracts. It demonstrates that plenty of gold is available to satisfy present demand. People are confident that promises to deliver gold will be honored. The condition opposite to contango is called backwardation that obtains when the futures price loses its premium relative to the spot price and goes to a discount. In the gold market this condition is highly anomalous because, on the face of it, it allows traders to earn risk free profits. They sell spot gold at a premium, and buy it back at a discount for future delivery. However, risk free profits are ephemeral since the very action of traders will instantaneously eliminate them. What this suggests is that permanent backwardation in gold could never happen by the very nature of the case.

    Yet unknown to the general public a very great danger is looming, the like of which has not threatened the world since the collapse of the Western half of the Roman Empire more than fifteen hundred years ago. This danger, should it materialize, would mark the end of our civilization and the beginning of a new Dark Age. I am talking about a threat of the sudden and complete collapse of world trade. It would be heralded by permanent gold backwardation, something that allegedly could never happen. Hard on its heels would follow the collapse of the dollar payments system. Barter, of course, would take place between neighboring countries, but world trade as we know it would disappear altogether.

    The metric whereby the turning of contango into backwardation can be measured is called the gold basis. It is the premium on the price of gold for future delivery as per the nearby contract relative to the spot price. Thus negative gold basis is tantamount to backwardation. We have scarcely a forty-year history for the gold basis to go by, because there was no organized futures trading for gold before America defaulted on her international gold obligations on August 15, 1971.

    Futures trading started out with a robust gold basis. Contango was at its peak. The gold basis cannot be higher than the full carrying charge (also known as the opportunity cost of holding gold, the major component of which is interest). But soon enough the gold basis started eroding, and erosion has continued to this day. This was an ominous process that was ignored by all politicians, economists and financial journalists.

    The vanishing of the gold basis is all the more curious since it has been taking place against the background of a steady advance in the gold price. Textbook economics teaches that an advance in price always and everywhere calls out new supplies. However, textbook economics is helpless when it comes to gold. For gold the exact opposite is true: an advance in price makes supply contract; and a very large advance may make supply disappear altogether. The reason for this paradox is that gold is a monetary metal. All the bad-mouthing of gold by economists in the pay of governments won’t change that fact. By now the decay has gone so far that the gold basis is practically zero, with occasional dips into negative territory.

    Academia ostensibly avoids researching the gold basis, pretending that it has as much bearing on the world economy as the basis for frozen pork bellies. The public is kept in total ignorance. Yet you can ignore the gold basis only at your own peril. It is the only indicator available showing the progressive deterioration of the fiat money system. As is well known, there has never been a successful experiment with fiat currency in all history. Nor was it for lack of trying. Every such experiment was either abandoned as enlightened governments decided to return the currency to a metallic basis, or it ended in utter fiasco causing tremendous economic pain to people as the fiat currency was rapidly losing all its purchasing power.

    The relentless contraction of the gold basis means that gold available for future delivery is fast disappearing. Gold is constantly moving into strong hands that hold on to it and will not relinquish it even in the face of steeply rising prices. Eventually the gold supply dries up and sporadic backwardation gives way to permanent backwardation. Gold mines refuse to take paper money for their product. If you want to have gold, you will have to have recourse to barter.

    Permanent backwardation means that confidence in fiat paper currency and government promises to pay has evaporated. After all, considering their origin, irredeemable bank notes are nothing but dishonored promises to pay gold. Once confidence is shattered, all the king’s horses and all the king’s men cannot put Humpty Dumpty together again. Permanent backwardation is like a black hole. There is no way out of it. Not even a light ray can escape from its clutches. That’s how black holes earn their name. ‘Permanent backwardation’ is not as suggestive as the name ‘black hole’, but it can gobble up the world economy nevertheless.

    The gold basis is akin to the efficiency of bribe money. At first the bribe is taken with no questions asked. But as it becomes a regular feature of gold trading, effectiveness is lost. In the end the bribe is refused when it is realized that the objective is to cheat the holder out of his possession of gold. A trading system built on bribe is a house of cards. It is dishonest. It depends on deception and false-carding.

    This brings me back to the German gold reserve. As sporadic backwardation in gold becomes ever more frequent, the gentlemen in charge of running the world’s fiat money system get alarmed. The only way to pacify the market is to release more and more central bank gold. Physical gold. The beast must be fed. Paper gold will not do (although, of course, these gentlemen will keep trying to flood the market with it).

    Releasing American gold to the futures market directly from the Fed is out of the question. It would confirm the suspicion, already rampant, that the dollar is a colossus of clay feet standing in knee-deep water. So let the client states of America do the releasing. The Germans have a reputation of favoring hard currency. They are reluctant to join the currencies’ ‘race to the bottom’. Germany is the natural choice to feed the gold futures markets in an effort to protect the dollar against the last assault that is shaping up.

    For a long time America has been twisting the arm of other countries, including the U.K. and Switzerland, making them sell hundreds of tons of central bank gold, while America was not selling one ounce. “Do as I say, not as I do!” During all this time Germany was not selling either. The appearance was maintained that this decision was made in Germany. It wasn’t; rather, it has the mark “made in U.S.A.” German gold is the last defense of the dollar. By now practically all central banks ignore the siren song from America. From sellers they have become buyers of gold. According to the American master plan Germany is the last fort of the crumbling global fiat money system. Germany will not defect: that is the purpose of keeping American troops on German soil. Germany will dutifully do the job of feeding the futures market with gold in an effort to fend off permanent backwardation. The repatriation of a part of the German gold reserve is a trial balloon. If markets get scared and panic selling occurs before the Bundesbank starts selling, so much the better. But if false-carding fails and the world-wide march of gold into private hoards continues unabated, then let the Bundesbank, not the Fed, bleed gold. America’s gold must be spared at all hazards.

    On such tricks and deception is the international monetary system grounded.

    * * *

    What, then, is the solution? How can sudden death in world trade be averted? Fortunately, there are still upright politicians around. Godfrey Bloom of the European Parliament, MP for Yorkshire and North Lincolnshire ridings in the U.K. suggests that Germany should repatriate ALL of its gold and reinstate a golden deutsche mark.

    The underlying cause of the world financial crisis is runaway debt. Gold is the only ultimate extinguisher of debt. Since its expulsion from the international monetary system total debt in the world can only grow, never contract. To stop the cancerous growth of debt gold must be reinstated in its former position as the guardian of the quality of debt.

    If, defying American wishes, Germany took the initiative in creating a gold mark and opening the German Mint to gold where all comers could convert their gold ingots into gold coin, the course of world history would be changed. It would be Germany’s finest hour. Civilization will have been saved and the onset of a new Dark Age averted. The gold mark could circulate side-by-side with the irredeemable euro and dollar. Let the people decide whether they want to get paid in crisis-prone fiat currencies or, perhaps, they prefer the time-honored stability of the gold coin. It is hardly in doubt what the choice of the people would be.

    The German initiative will set off a chain reaction of similar virtuous acts by the major central banks of the world, in order to prevent the fatal depreciation of their currencies against the gold mark. The latter will be well on its way to become the most coveted currency in the world for international trade. The financial system will be saved from the ordeal of competitive currency devaluations and from the corrosive effect of ever-expanding government deficits. Governments will be forced to face reality and live responsibly within their means like everyone else. Farmers will no longer be paid for not farming, and able-bodied workers for not working. Youth unemployment, in particular, will be a thing of the past.

    There is a precedent. In 1948 Germany defied the occupying force when it created the Deutsche Mark without bothering to ask for permission in Washington.

    But is the gold standard not deflation-prone? In the 1930’s the international gold standard collapsed because of this very fact, did it not?

    As the father of the Deutsche Mark, Wilhelm Röpke (1899-1966) said: it is not the gold standard that failed, but those in whose care it was entrusted.

    27 January 2013

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    Re: American Bases In Germany And The Gold Basis

    Originally posted by globaleconomicollaps View Post
    ...Contango is the normal condition of the gold Futures markets when the spot price of gold is at a discount relative to the price of futures contracts. It demonstrates that plenty of gold is available to satisfy present demand. People are confident that promises to deliver gold will be honored. The condition opposite to contango is called backwardation that obtains when the futures price loses its premium relative to the spot price and goes to a discount. In the gold market this condition is highly anomalous because, on the face of it, it allows traders to earn risk free profits. They sell spot gold at a premium, and buy it back at a discount for future delivery. However, risk free profits are ephemeral since the very action of traders will instantaneously eliminate them. What this suggests is that permanent backwardation in gold could never happen by the very nature of the case...

    He would seem to have this completely backwards.

    The contango covers the cost of holding gold for future delivery (vaulting fees and so forth). If gold, or any other commodity such as crude oil, goes into backwardation that usually means there is an expectation of a surplus (glut) in the future and there is no concern about promises of future availability of that commodity for delivery at a price even lower than current spot.

    A steep contango, much greater than the cost of holding the commodity, suggests fear of future shortage and therefore bids up the future price.

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      Re: American Bases In Germany And The Gold Basis

      Germany is neither independent nor sovereign, prevailing pretences notwithstanding. It has American troops on her soil for reasons unexplained and unexplainable after all Soviet occupying troops were withdrawn almost 25 years ago. Equally significant is the fact that the lion’s share of the German gold reserve is in American custody.
      I believe he got this part right, a verboten subject by the way. At any time in history when wouldn't Germany or any other state under similar circumstances still be considered a subservient (to its victor) country. Ignoring it is part of the Realpolotik avoidance dance we're bombarded with daily . . .

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        Re: American Bases In Germany And The Gold Basis

        Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
        He would seem to have this completely backwards.

        The contango covers the cost of holding gold for future delivery (vaulting fees and so forth). If gold, or any other commodity such as crude oil, goes into backwardation that usually means there is an expectation of a surplus (glut) in the future and there is no concern about promises of future availability of that commodity for delivery at a price even lower than current spot.

        A steep contango, much greater than the cost of holding the commodity, suggests fear of future shortage and therefore bids up the future price.
        That's my understanding also, as per the classic example of grain just before the harvest, recounted here below by Casey Research in an article about gold backwardation http://www.caseyresearch.com/article...-now-permanent.

        Many commodities, like wheat, are produced seasonally. But consumption is much more evenly spread around the year. Immediately prior to the harvest, the spot price of wheat is normally at its highest in relation to wheat futures. This is because wheat inventories in the warehouses are very low. People will have to pay a higher price for immediate delivery. At the same time, everyone in the market knows that the harvest is coming in one month. So the price, if a buyer can wait one month for delivery, is lower. This is a case of backwardation.
        However, both authors claim gold is different than other commodities, so gold backwardation implies a different situation.

        That linked article makes essentially the same point as the Fekete article posted above, but Keith Weiner's paper is from a year ago and does not draw in German gold.

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          Re: American Bases In Germany And The Gold Basis

          Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
          He would seem to have this completely backwards.

          The contango covers the cost of holding gold for future delivery (vaulting fees and so forth)..

          I think Fekete is at least partly right. As you say, the Gold contango covers the carrying costs of the commodity. A large backwardation would correspond to a "delivery crisis" or loss of confidence that the market could supply physical gold. I think the risk of that crisis is what Fekete is interested in. People who are worried about counter party risk would not do arbitrage between spot price (physical delivery) and futures prices---hence the possibility of a large and sustained backwardation. To my knowlege, the backwardations observed in gold and silver have been relatively small. If they get big . . .

          I also think it's weird that germany keeps it's gold in the US. Hudson has also commented on how weird this is--an aspect of US "super imperialism". For those claiming that the gold is held in the US to more easily settle international transactions, since when has trade or forex been settled with gold?

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            Re: American Bases In Germany And The Gold Basis

            Originally posted by Polish_Silver View Post

            ...I also think it's weird that germany keeps it's gold in the US. Hudson has also commented on how weird this is--an aspect of US "super imperialism". For those claiming that the gold is held in the US to more easily settle international transactions, since when has trade or forex been settled with gold?
            I've read the reason was the cold war. From 1945 to 1990, there were two German nations, east and west. West Germany and all NATO worried that the USSR might sweep it's mighty army through the Fulda gap from East Germany to West Germany to conquer West Germany in a matter of hours and hold it forever. That worry made it smart to keep West German gold out of reach in the USA. True or not, that was the commonly accepted reason.

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            • #7
              Re: American Bases In Germany And The Gold Basis

              Originally posted by Polish_Silver View Post
              I think Fekete is at least partly right. As you say, the Gold contango covers the carrying costs of the commodity. A large backwardation would correspond to a "delivery crisis" or loss of confidence that the market could supply physical gold. I think the risk of that crisis is what Fekete is interested in. People who are worried about counter party risk would not do arbitrage between spot price (physical delivery) and futures prices---hence the possibility of a large and sustained backwardation. To my knowlege, the backwardations observed in gold and silver have been relatively small. If they get big . . .
              The logic of this completely escapes me. If the market thinks there is an immediate delivery crisis then it would bid up the near term price. But the only way there could be a steep backwardation is if the market also thinks the "delivery crisis" will be solved in short order, otherwise fear of persistent difficulty in delivery will keep the market in contango.

              Frankly, I think all these doom-mongers are blowing smoke...

              Originally posted by Polish_Silver View Post
              I also think it's weird that germany keeps it's gold in the US. Hudson has also commented on how weird this is--an aspect of US "super imperialism". For those claiming that the gold is held in the US to more easily settle international transactions, since when has trade or forex been settled with gold?
              I think you'll find a very large number of countries store gold outside their national borders in locations that are considered more physically secure than their own soil. Germany's situation is probably just an artifact left over from the Cold War "fear-of-Soviet-tanks-rolling-across-the-border" days.

              The National Bank of Kazakhstan keeps a significant amount of its physical gold reserves in Switzerland. I doubt they are unique in the FSU. If you were Kuwaiti, Saudi, Bahraini, Yemeni or Qatari would you keep all your burgeoning gold reserves in the Gulf?
              Last edited by GRG55; January 30, 2013, 10:43 AM.

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              • #8
                Re: American Bases In Germany And The Gold Basis

                Here's the CaseyResearch article in full, it seems to make the same point.
                http://www.caseyresearch.com/article...-now-permanent

                By Keith Weiner, New Austrian School of Economics

                Worldwide, an incredible tower of debt has been under construction since President Nixon's 1971 default on the gold obligations of the US government. His decree severed the redeemability of the dollar for gold and thus eliminated the extinguisher of debt. Debt has been growing exponentially everywhere since then. Debt is backed with debt, based on debt, dependent on debt and leveraged with yet more debt. For example, today it is possible to buy a bond (i.e., lend money) on margin (i.e., with borrowed money).

                The time is now fast approaching when all debt will be defaulted on. In our perverse monetary system, one party's debt is another's "money." A debtor's default will impact the creditor (who is usually also a debtor to yet other creditors), causing him to default, and so on. When this begins in earnest, it will wipe out the banking system and thus everyone's "money." The paper currencies will not survive this. We are seeing the early edges of it now in the euro, and it's anyone's guess when it will happen in Japan, though it seems long overdue already. Last of all, it will come to the USA.

                The purpose of this article is to present the early-warning signal and explain the actual mechanism to these events. Contrary to popular belief, it will not happen because the central banks increase the quantity of money to infinity. The money supply may even be contracting (which is what I expect).

                To understand the terminal stages of the monetary system's fatal disease, we must understand gold.

                Defining Backwardation

                First, let me introduce a key concept. Most traders define "backwardation" for a commodity as when the price of a futures contract is lower than the price of the same good in the spot market.

                In every market, there are always two prices for a good: the bid and the ask. To sell a good, one must take the bid. And likewise, to buy the good, one must pay the ask. In backwardation, one can sell a physical good for cash and simultaneously buy a futures contract, and make a profit on the arbitrage. Note that in doing this trade, one's position does not change in the end. One begins with a certain amount of the good and ends (upon maturity of the contract) with that same amount of the good.

                Backwardation is when the bid in the spot market is greater than the ask in the futures market.

                Many commodities, like wheat, are produced seasonally. But consumption is much more evenly spread around the year. Immediately prior to the harvest, the spot price of wheat is normally at its highest in relation to wheat futures. This is because wheat inventories in the warehouses are very low. People will have to pay a higher price for immediate delivery. At the same time, everyone in the market knows that the harvest is coming in one month. So the price, if a buyer can wait one month for delivery, is lower. This is a case of backwardation.

                Backwardation is typically a signal of a shortage in a commodity. Anyone holding the commodity could make a risk-free profit by delivering it and getting it back later. If others put on this trade, and others, and so on, this would push down the bid in the spot market and lift up the ask in the futures market until the backwardation disappeared. The process of profiting from arbitrage compresses the spread one is arbitraging.

                Actionable backwardations typically do not last long enough for the small trader to even see on the screen, much less trade. This is another way of saying that markets do not normally offer risk-free profits. In the case of wheat backwardation, for example, the backwardation may persist for weeks or longer. But there is no opportunity to profit for anyone, because no one has any wheat to spare. There is a genuine shortage of wheat before the harvest.

                Why Gold Backwardation Is Important

                Could backwardation happen with gold? Gold is not in shortage. One just has to measure abundance using the right metric. If you look at the inventories divided by annual mine production, the World Gold Council estimates this number to be around 80 years.

                In all other commodities (except silver), inventories represent a few months of production. Other commodities can even have "gluts," which usually lead to a price collapse. As an aside, this fact makes gold good for money. The price of gold does not decline, no matter how much of the stuff is produced. Production will certainly not lead to a "glut" in the gold market pulling prices downward.

                So, what would a lower price on gold for future delivery mean compared to a higher price of gold in the spot market? By definition, it means that gold delivered to the market is in short supply.

                The meaning of gold backwardation is that trust in future delivery is scarce.

                In an ordinary commodity, scarcity of the physical good available for delivery today is resolved by higher prices. At a high enough price, demand for wheat falls until existing stocks are sufficient to meet the reduced demand.

                But how is scarcity of trust resolved?

                Thus far, the answer has been: via higher prices. Higher prices do coax some gold out of various hoards, jewelry, etc. Gold went into backwardation for the first time in December 2008. One could have earned a 2.5% (annualized) profit by selling physical gold and simultaneously buying a February 2009 future. Gold was $750 on December 5, but it rocketed to $920 – a gain of 23% – by the end of January.

                But when backwardation becomes permanent, then trust in the gold futures market will have collapsed. Unlike with wheat, millions of people and many institutions have plenty of gold they can sell in the physical market and buy back via futures contracts. When they choose not to, that is the beginning of the end of the current financial system.

                Why?

                Think about the similarities between the following three statements:

                · "My paper gold future contract will be honored by delivery of gold."
                ·
                · "If I trade my gold for paper now, I will be able to get gold back in the future."
                ·
                · "I will be able to exchange paper money for gold in the future."
                ·
                The reason why there was a significant backwardation (smaller backwardations have occurred intermittently since then) is that people did not believe the first statement. They did not trust that the gold future would be honored in gold.

                And if they don't believe that paper futures will be honored in gold, then they have no reason to believe that they can get gold in the future at all.

                If some gold owners still trust the system at that point, then they can sell their gold (at much higher prices, probably). But sooner or later, there will not be any sellers of gold in the physical market.

                Higher Prices Can't Cure Permanent Gold Backwardation

                With an ordinary commodity, there is a limit to what buyers are willing to pay based on the need satisfied by that commodity, the availability of substitutes and the buyers' other needs that also must be satisfied within the same budget. The higher the price, the more holders and producers are motivated to sell, and the less consumers are motivated (or able) to buy. The cure for high prices is high prices.

                But gold is different. Unlike wheat, gold is not bought for consumption. While some people hold it to speculate on increases in its paper price, these speculators will be replaced by others who hold it because it is money.

                Once the gold owners have lost confidence, no amount of price change will bring back trust in paper currencies. Gold will not have a "high enough" price that will discourage buying or encourage selling. Thus gold backwardation will not only recur, but at some point, it will stay in its backwardated state.

                In looking at the bid and ask, one other observation is germane to this discussion. In times of crisis, it is always the bid that is withdrawn – there is never a lack of asks. Permanent gold backwardation can be seen as the withdrawal of bids denominated in gold for irredeemable government debt paper (e.g., dollar bills).

                Backwardation should not be able to happen at all as gold is so abundant. However, the fact that it has happened and keeps happening means that it is inevitable and that, at some point, backwardation will become permanent. The erosion of faith in paper money is a one-way process (with some zigs and zags). But eventually, backwardation will become deeper and deeper (while the dollar price of gold is rising, probably exponentially).

                The final step is when gold completely withdraws its bid on paper. At that point, paper's bid on gold will be unlimited, and this is why paper will inevitably collapse without gold.

                Conclusion

                Permanent gold backwardation leading to the withdrawal of the gold bid on the dollar is the inevitable result of the debt collapse. Governments and other borrowers have long since passed the point where they can amortize their debts. Now they merely "roll" the debt and the interest as they come due. This leaves them vulnerable to the market demand for their bonds. When they have an auction that fails to attract bids, the game will be over. Whether they formally default or whether they just print the currency to pay, it won't matter.

                Gold owners, like everyone else, will watch this happen. If government bond holders sell their securities in response to this crisis, they will only receive paper backed by that same government and its bonds. But the gold owner has the power to withdraw his bid on paper altogether. When that happens, there will be an irreconcilable schism between gold and paper, with real goods and services taking the side of gold. And in a process that should play out within a few months once it gets started, paper money will no longer have any value.

                Gold is not officially recognized as the foundation of the financial system. Yet it is still a necessary component. When it is withdrawn, the worldwide regime of irredeemable paper money will collapse.

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                  Re: American Bases In Germany And The Gold Basis

                  Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                  The logic of this completely escapes me.
                  I think you are correct, and that using "futures", i.e. the commodities hedging system, on gold will "work" only to the extent that gold is a "commodity".

                  Another way, perhaps equally peculiar, to look at gold is from the perspective of the bond market, where gold appears to be a 0 coupon perpetual bond (consol) which, empirically at least, appears to have a duration of around 8.3%.

                  The blind men feeling up the elephant?
                  Justice is the cornerstone of the world

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                    Re: American Bases In Germany And The Gold Basis

                    Originally posted by GRG55 View Post

                    I think you'll find a very large number of countries store gold outside their national borders in locations that are considered more physically secure than their own soil. Germany's situation is probably just an artifact left over from the Cold War "fear-of-Soviet-tanks-rolling-across-the-border" days.

                    The National Bank of Kazakhstan keeps a significant amount of its physical gold reserves in Switzerland. I doubt they are unique in the FSU. If you were Kuwaiti, Saudi, Bahraini, Yemeni or Qatari would you keep all your burgeoning gold reserves in the Gulf?
                    If I was the grand Poobah of a Gulf State, I'd probably want my pot of gold at home, only slightly less than I'd want it in the US.

                    I'm thinking I'd try to sprinkle all that magic gold dust to the 4 winds.

                    I'm guessing if anyone was not alseep at the wheel at the German Central Bank and a follower of iTulip the wise decision would have been a 10 year transitional shift of German gold back to Germany from New York, starting the day after Gordon Brown as UK Exchequer sold off UK gold at the very bottom.

                    They'd have all their gold back by now, instead of being worth 6 times as much and the US holding all that gold being much less wealthy but still exceptionally well armed.

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                      Re: American Bases In Germany And The Gold Basis

                      Originally posted by lakedaemonian View Post
                      If I was the grand Poobah of a Gulf State, I'd probably want my pot of gold at home, only slightly less than I'd want it in the US.

                      I'm thinking I'd try to sprinkle all that magic gold dust to the 4 winds.

                      I'm guessing if anyone was not alseep at the wheel at the German Central Bank and a follower of iTulip the wise decision would have been a 10 year transitional shift of German gold back to Germany from New York, starting the day after Gordon Brown as UK Exchequer sold off UK gold at the very bottom.

                      They'd have all their gold back by now, instead of being worth 6 times as much and the US holding all that gold being much less wealthy but still exceptionally well armed.
                      The Germans still seem reluctant to carry a pistol (witness the response to the Balkan situation in the '90s). It can be useful to have well armed friends in that circumstance, non? :-)

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                      • #12
                        Who's blowing smoke: 1933, 1971, and 2019?

                        Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                        The logic of this completely escapes me. If the market thinks there is an immediate delivery crisis then it would bid up the near term price. But the only way there could be a steep backwardation is if the market also thinks the "delivery crisis" will be solved in short order, otherwise fear of persistent difficulty in delivery will keep the market in contango.

                        Frankly, I think all these doom-mongers are blowing smoke...

                        I think you'll find a very large number of countries store gold outside their national borders in locations that are considered more physically secure than their own soil. Germany's situation is probably just an artifact left over from the Cold War "fear-of-Soviet-tanks-rolling-across-the-border" days.

                        The National Bank of Kazakhstan keeps a significant amount of its physical gold reserves in Switzerland. I doubt they are unique in the FSU. If you were Kuwaiti, Saudi, Bahraini, Yemeni or Qatari would you keep all your burgeoning gold reserves in the Gulf?
                        GG, how are we blowing smoke, when the US has defaulted on it's gold promises twice already, once in 1933, and again in 1971?

                        Secondly, if you wanted physical gold, would you buy a futures contract?
                        Don't the market agreements include a force majeur clause, which means a delivery default is settled in $USD?
                        After 2008, how trustworthy are US financial institutions?

                        Thirdly, Germany's political and military situation is hardly comparable to Kuwait et. al. Germany does have mandatory military service for thier young men, and the nation has been known to pack quite a punch!

                        I'll agree that the US gold safekeeping was a cold war thing. And it is ending now because prudent nations don't entrust their gold to deadbeats.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Who's blowing smoke: 1933, 1971, and 2019?

                          Originally posted by Polish_Silver View Post
                          GG, how are we blowing smoke, when the US has defaulted on it's gold promises twice already, once in 1933, and again in 1971?

                          Secondly, if you wanted physical gold, would you buy a futures contract?
                          Don't the market agreements include a force majeur clause, which means a delivery default is settled in $USD?
                          After 2008, how trustworthy are US financial institutions?

                          Thirdly, Germany's political and military situation is hardly comparable to Kuwait et. al. Germany does have mandatory military service for thier young men, and the nation has been known to pack quite a punch!

                          I'll agree that the US gold safekeeping was a cold war thing. And it is ending now because prudent nations don't entrust their gold to deadbeats.
                          You state your presumed motives for German repatriation of gold with great conviction. But all the arguments I have seen, including the one bolded above, are firmly in the realm of conjecture. None of the commentators has a shred of first hand solid evidence or proof from the Germans to support their rabid theories...hence the blow smoke comment.

                          Here's an equally speculative, equally lacking-in-proof, equally smoke filled, but equally plausible alternate explanation for Germany's action to announce a repatriation of gold reserves:
                          • Central Banks are political institutions, living in a fictional world of "independence", but just as subject to pressure as any elected politician;
                          • The Fed blatantly so, the ECB and the Bundesbank no exceptions;
                          • The greater EU economy is imploding, with severe contractions underway in the "austerity" countries which now threatens to envelope the major players of France and Germany, both of which are now measured to be in recession;
                          • After the Weimar hyperinflation episode, the German public have long been conditioned to fear inflation, and German politicians have pandered to that (some dogmatically so) for several generations;
                          • Germany is in an election year, with Mrs. Merkel scheduled to go to the polls seeking a third term in September - recessions and rising unemployment rarely play well in election campaigns, even in inflation-phobic Germany;
                          • The rising relative exchange rate of the Euro currency is exacerbating the economic contraction, and current ECB policy (relative to other major Central Banks) is largely responsible for this trend;
                          • The last time Germany fell into recession the ECB was "allowed" to pursue a rather loose monetary policy (which is one of the reasons the catastrophes now unfolding in Greece, Spain and elsewhere in the Euro currency zone are so acute);
                          • This presents German politicians currently in power with a severe dilemma - they need an increasingly reflationary policy from the ECB to counter the politically damaging effects of further debt de-leveraging induced contraction, but they cannot be seen to openly support such a policy with an electorate that is conditioned to fear exactly that;
                          • The Bundesbank knows it is going to come under pressure to again "allow" the ECB to pursue added reflationary policy, but it too has that oh so German reputation to protect;
                          • Anticipating that, what better way for politicians and Bundesbankers to burnish their "hard money" credentials than issuing a very public, but fundamentally meaningless pronouncement about the custody and management of the nation's gold reserves;
                          • And that will provide the cover the Bundesbank, with the full support of the election campaign bound politicians, needs to give a wink and a nod to Mario Draghi to "do whatever it takes" to reflate.
                          • It wouldn't be the first time that politicians and Central Bankers, even those with German passports, are deliberately two-faced about what they are up to.
                          German politicians should be thankful there's an Italian in charge of the ECB...can you imagine the dog fight if Axel Weber was running the place


                          As for the German military, the last time it "packed quite a punch" was during the Blitzkrieg. That the whole of continental Europe, most especially the Germans, were politically paralyzed by inaction during the Balkan/Yugoslavia crisis right in their own damn back yard, and once again expected the Americans to become engaged, is utterly shameful. And speaks volumes about Europe's ability to solve its own problems...

                          The Bosnia Crisis: Germany rules out Balkans war role

                          08 AUGUST 1992

                          WITH the prospect of Western military intervention in the former Yugoslavia looming ever closer, Germany yesterday categorically ruled out its participation in any actions that may be planned...
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                            GG the first to enlist!

                            So GG,

                            I take it you would have been the first to volunteer for fighting in Serbia?

                            Or perhaps you encouraged your children to join up?

                            And what threat was it to Germany?

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                              Re: GG the first to enlist!

                              I agree with what GRG is saying here. There are a ton of crackpot theories floating about as it pertains to the German repatriation of gold with nary a shred of evidence for them. I think Occam's Razor should apply here.

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