This is how people in the whole world will live in 2025

[touchring]

This is how people in the whole world will live in 2025

[santafe2]

Re: This is how people in the whole world will live in 2025

This is how people in the whole world will live in 2025

Probably not. This is how we lived in LA in the early 60s. Play outside in the summer and your lungs hurt for hours. Fossil fuel use will peak over the next 20 years or so and this issue will begin to go away. Of course new issues will arise.

[BadJuju]

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That's how I feel. And I think with the recent media covering of the air pollution inside of China itself, we might begin to see what may be a Clean Air Act in reaction to these events.

[touchring]

Re: This is how people in the whole world will live in 2025

Probably not. This is how we lived in LA in the early 60s. Play outside in the summer and your lungs hurt for hours. Fossil fuel use will peak over the next 20 years or so and this issue will begin to go away. Of course new issues will arise.

China is no USA.

Unlike in 1960, the technology to filter air is mostly made in China - what isn't made in China nowadays?

So I'm not sure so if it is not a plan to reduce population. With the one child policy, there's gona be a huge number of elderly people to maintain in the future. It's easier on the people in power if these people pass on quicker.

[lektrode]

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at least they are goin pedal to the metal on the only real alternative (pssst... hint: the big N word along with the T word)

any luck at all some of their rationality will (might, if we could get so lucky) make an impression over this side of the pond

i mean, really - even the french managed to pull this one off and one doesnt see much outrage over it there, no?

[bpwoods]

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Reminds me of smoggy Dublin into the early 80s. We then acquired an Irish version of Jean d'Arc: Holy Mary Harney (ministress of Environment or some such). BANNED 'smokey' coal! Presto! Clean Dublin air. London had to do something similar in the sixties.

She later rose to be ministress of Health. Created a shambolic system. There yeh go!

[BadJuju]

Re: This is how people in the whole world will live in 2025

So I'm not sure so if it is not a plan to reduce population. With the one child policy, there's gona be a huge number of elderly people to maintain in the future. It's easier on the people in power if these people pass on quicker.

That sounds way too Machiavellian. I think the simplest answer is the most logical. And the answer is greed. The same way it was back in America and the UK's smoggy days.

[don]

Re: This is how people in the whole world will live in 2025

look familiar - downtown LA July 26, 1943




October 1964

[c1ue]

Re: This is how people in the whole world will live in 2025

touchring - seriously, at least try to do a little background research.

The air in Beijing is bad not because of industry per se. It was this way even in the '80s, long before the outsourcing boom.

It is that way because people there use coal for heating and cooking, and Beijing is often subject to inversion layers where the air is trapped in a bubble around the city. It is why Beijing is sometimes not as cold as it could be given its relatively northern position.

Is coal still being used as a primary heating and cooking fuel? Perhaps not directly, but certainly China's electricity plants are still largely coal fueled.

[touchring]

Re: This is how people in the whole world will live in 2025

look familiar - downtown LA July 26, 1943




October 1964

Nice photos from 1942.

Beijing had clearer skies in the 1940s. So clear, you could see right to the horizon.

[aaron]

Re: This is how people in the whole world will live in 2025

The government does not maintain elderly people. That is why Chinese save 60% of their earnings.
Machiavelli is probably a hero to many in power there. Remember, the Chinese are not Westerners. They do not share the same morals.

[touchring]

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Cultures differ. You heard of dog eating in China, Korea and Vietnam.

Sounds crude, but they don't eat their own pets, but dogs raised in a farm for meat.

Now there's actually an African culture has raises dogs as pets only to eat them after they have grown up!

Caution: Graphic for dog lovers.

[Thailandnotes]

Re: This is how people in the whole world will live in 2025

http://madmikesamerica.com/2011/08/t...dinner-tables/

yeah

[Polish_Silver]

To the Rescue: Demographic Shift!

As a nation industrializes, pollution gets worse and worse, until the standard of living reaches a certain point. Then very quickly people accept the financial cost of cleaner technology, and the pollution gets much better. This has happened over and over, in Britain, North America, Japan,
virtually every developed nation. It is called "Demographic shift". I don't know where China is on the curve. But I suspect if their government is half way functional, they will go through it at some point.

We also shouldn't ignore the "public health risks" posed by subsistence level agriculture, as practiced in many parts of the world. You carry human and animal feces to fertilize fields, then work those fields by hand and eat that food. It is a disease and parasite development laboratory.
Meat is butchered out doors, where insects can get to it. The water supply and the sewage system may be the same river.

As others have mentioned, China's air quality does call in to question the "dangers" of nuclear power, when one considers the downside of traditional power generation:

hydro-electric disrupts river ecosystems. Plus people get killed when the dams break.

Coal: accidents, lung disease, agricultural land ruined, air pollution (aside from C02.)

Oil: getting too expensive, plus oil spills, toxic waste

Natural gas: good for now, but how long is it going to last?

In my experience, where nuclear reactors are in place, people don't give it a second thought.
Their power bills are immune to oil price shocks. I never heard people in Pennsylvania say, "I wouldn't live there, it's too close to the reactor". You've got a much bigger danger getting killed in a car accident on their poorly "designed" road system!

[c1ue]

Re: To the Rescue: Demographic Shift!

Beijing had clearer skies in the 1940s. So clear, you could see right to the horizon.

Were you in Beijing in the 1940s?

Do you know anyone who's lived in Beijing at that time?

Because again, your ignorance is showing. Beijing can and does get clear days - when the inversion layers don't form, the wind off the Gobi sweeps right through the city. Sometimes you get a clear day, sometimes you get covered in yellow dust.

For that matter, what do you think the Chinese were using for fuel then? It was coal, just as it is in the '80s.

Please stop your uninformed commentary about a place you apparently know nothing about.