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  • Germany 'goes for the gold' -YES!!!!!!

    Who would have thought Chavez could start such a trend. And if this proves true, then don't think the Netherlands and many other countries will not bring their gold home as well. I am not a conspiracy theorist, but I expect the leased gold out there is far in excess of the real gold, and all this paper gold is gonna make a real mess of the price -- upwards!

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-0...d-new-york-fed

    In what could be a watershed moment for the price, provenance, and future of physical gold, not to mention the "stability" of the entire monetary regime based on rock solid, undisputed "faith and credit" in paper money, German Handelsblatt reports in an exclusive that the long suffering German gold, all official 3,396 tons of it, is about to be moved. Specifically, it is about to be partially moved out of the New York Fed, where the majority, or 45% of it is currently stored, as well as the entirety of the 11% of German gold held with the Banque de France, and repatriated back home to Buba in Frankfurt, where just 31% of it is held as of this moment. And while it is one thing for a "crazy, lunatic" dictator such as Hugo Chavez to pull his gold out of the Bank of England, it is something entirely different, and far less dismissible, when the bank with the second most official gold reserves in the world proceeds to formally pull some of its gold from the bank with the most. In brief: this is a momentous development, one which may signify that the regime of mutual assured and very much telegraphed - because if the central banks don't have faith in one another, why should anyone else? - trust in central banks by other central banks is ending.
    Much more importantly, it is being telegraphed as such, with Buba fully aware of just what the consequences of this (first partial, and then full; and certainly full vis-a-vis the nouveau socialist regime of Francois Hollande which will soon hold zero German gold) repatriation will be in a global monetary arena, which is already scraping by on the last traces of faith in a monetary system that is slowly but surely dying but first diluting itself to oblivion. And in simple game theory terms, the first party to defect from the prisoner's dilemma of all the bulk of global gold being held by the Fed, defects best. Then the second. Then the third. Until, in this particular case, the last central bank to pull its gold from the NY Fed and the other 2 primary depositories of developed world gold, London and Paris, just happens to discover their gold was never there to begin with, and instead served as collateral to paper gold subsequently rehypothecated several hundred times, and whose ultimate ownership deed is long gone.
    *snip*

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    Re: Germany 'goes for the gold' -YES!!!!!!

    Originally posted by doom&gloom View Post
    Who would have thought Chavez could start such a trend. And if this proves true, then don't think the Netherlands and many other countries will not bring their gold home as well. I am not a conspiracy theorist, but I expect the leased gold out there is far in excess of the real gold, and all this paper gold is gonna make a real mess of the price -- upwards!

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-0...d-new-york-fed



    *snip*
    How is this much different from the earlier announcement that they'd repatriate 50 tons a year over the next 3 years from NY? Small change compared to the full amount stored in NY.

    The France thing might as well just be a political move to pressure France. Let's wait a couple of years to see if it really gets moved.
    engineer with little (or even no) economic insight

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      Re: Germany 'goes for the gold' -YES!!!!!!

      Originally posted by FrankL View Post
      Small change compared to the full amount stored in NY.
      I guess we'll find out. 45% of Germany's gold is there. They are the 2nd largest CB holder. That's almost 50 million ounces ... not small change in my mind.

      What's that saying? If you're going to panic ... better to be first.

      Imagine - central bankers not trusting central bankers.

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        Re: Germany 'goes for the gold' -YES!!!!!!

        Originally posted by doom&gloom View Post
        Who would have thought Chavez could start such a trend. And if this proves true, then don't think the Netherlands and many other countries will not bring their gold home as well. I am not a conspiracy theorist, but I expect the leased gold out there is far in excess of the real gold, and all this paper gold is gonna make a real mess of the price -- upwards!

        http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-0...d-new-york-fed



        *snip*
        read the actual article... vs the zerocred crud commentary on it... says the bundesbank is catching up to the reality that the cold war ended 20 yrs ago. no other cb keeps gold stored all over the place like this... legacy of two germanys... bundesbank looked to keep 70% of the gold away from the commies on the other side of the berlin wall.

        decision is response to 'a Federal Audit to examine the financial statements of the Bundesbank'. will move gold from france & keep gold in ny and london but less in ny.

        yet another zh false alarm... zzzzzzzzzz.

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        • #5
          Re: Germany 'goes for the gold' -YES!!!!!!

          Originally posted by metalman View Post

          yet another zh false alarm... zzzzzzzzzz.
          Not to mention ZeroHedge makes it sound like Germany is moving all of its gold home when it is only moving a portion of it.

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            Re: Germany 'goes for the gold' -YES!!!!!!

            Originally posted by metalman View Post
            read the actual article... vs the zerocred crud commentary on it... says the bundesbank is catching up to the reality that the cold war ended 20 yrs ago. no other cb keeps gold stored all over the place like this... legacy of two germanys... bundesbank looked to keep 70% of the gold away from the commies on the other side of the berlin wall.

            decision is response to 'a Federal Audit to examine the financial statements of the Bundesbank'. will move gold from france & keep gold in ny and london but less in ny.

            yet another zh false alarm... zzzzzzzzzz.
            That's a logical explanation . . . .

            On the other hand, if I were Germany, and getting antsy about the global financial situation, that's what I would give as the reason I'm pulling the gold back to the Fatherland. I can't believe that there are not those in positions of authority there who are a little nervous about what's been going on lately.
            Jim Rickards book was a best seller, and in it he postulates a financial crisis scenario in which the US confiscates foreign gold stored in NY. Amazon ships everywhere . . . .
            raja
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              Re: Germany 'goes for the gold' -YES!!!!!!

              Originally posted by metalman View Post
              read the actual article... vs the zerocred crud commentary on it... says the bundesbank is catching up to the reality that the cold war ended 20 yrs ago. no other cb keeps gold stored all over the place like this... legacy of two germanys... bundesbank looked to keep 70% of the gold away from the commies on the other side of the berlin wall.

              decision is response to 'a Federal Audit to examine the financial statements of the Bundesbank'. will move gold from france & keep gold in ny and london but less in ny.

              yet another zh false alarm... zzzzzzzzzz.
              well to play the devil's advocate, I think the central banks of nearly all NATO countries in Europe have significant amounts of gold stored in NY. In Germany there are voices that said that repatriation is 'impossible' due to secret agreements between Germany and the US.

              While that's all 'conspiracy talk', we'll see in a couple of years if they've really repatriated significant amounts from the NY vaults. My money is on that they'll repatriate a minute amount (without saying how much) to please the masses. There's been significant press in Germany about the location of the central bank's gold... this is just a move to let the storm die down.

              Personally I think that the NATO ties between the US, Japan and Europe go a lot further than just joint military agreements. Long-standing agreements on storage location for central bank's gold that are not tolerated to be breached (by the US) are not out of the unthinkable. Supposing these cold-era agreements exist... Why would the US willingly give up on them, allowing further deterioration of the image of the US as the centre of the western world, indirectly eroding the status of the dollar?
              engineer with little (or even no) economic insight

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                Re: Germany 'goes for the gold' -YES!!!!!!

                Originally posted by metalman View Post
                read the actual article... vs the zerocred crud commentary on it... says the bundesbank is catching up to the reality that the cold war ended 20 yrs ago. no other cb keeps gold stored all over the place like this... legacy of two germanys... bundesbank looked to keep 70% of the gold away from the commies on the other side of the berlin wall.

                decision is response to 'a Federal Audit to examine the financial statements of the Bundesbank'. will move gold from france & keep gold in ny and london but less in ny.

                yet another zh false alarm... zzzzzzzzzz.
                The same Germans that designed the Euro with 15% gold reserves, rather than dollar reserves, & then proceeded to generate a physical bullion short squeeze via the Washington Agreement on Gold (WAG) a couple years later, such that now the Euro's reserves are 70% gold bullion?

                If they are so benevolent to the USD, why not just use the same USD as reserves that the UK & Japan did?

                I think ZH is a bit too inflammatory & snarky about it, but this may be akin to the original brief headline in August 2007 that 2 Bear Stearns' mortgage bond hedge funds had gone tits up...at the time, the reaction was pretty subdued...in hindsight, it was one of the 1st real signs that something wicked this way comes.

                Even Bill Gross tweeted on this German story today - "Don't Central Banks trust each other anymore?"

                And when this is taken in context with what all the other BRICs central banks are doing - taking physical delivery - it begins to carry more import IMO

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                  Re: Germany 'goes for the gold' -YES!!!!!!

                  You wouldn't want to take too much at one time, might "spook" the heard.

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                    Re: Germany 'goes for the gold' -YES!!!!!!

                    I believe the real story here is the CB's continuing acquistion of physical gold in their own physical control. Put this with China's recent stockpiling of just about everything. (Is there anything they aren't stockpiling?) Of course, this doesn't change the meme that private individuals don't need to own gold. After all, it's still the barbarous relic. It pays no dividend or interest and is not as liquid as your cash which is stored in those instantly available bits and bytes whenever you want something. Nothing could go wrong there, right?
                    "I love a dog, he does nothing for political reasons." --Will Rogers

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                      Re: Germany 'goes for the gold' -YES!!!!!!

                      Here is an update to this:

                      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21040214

                      Germany's central bank is to bring back almost 700 tonnes of gold reserves it keeps in New York and Paris.
                      By 2020, half of its gold bars will be in its vaults, the Bundesbank said. It currently keeps less than a third at home.
                      The bars were originally taken out of Germany as a precaution against an invasion from the Soviet Union.
                      Central banks keep gold abroad so that it can be used to quickly buy foreign currency in times of crisis.
                      The Bundesbank will no longer keep any of its reserves in Paris, as both countries use the euro.
                      It will reduce the amount it holds in New York from 45% to 37% by the end of the decade.
                      No gold will be moved out of the Bank of England's vaults, however. It will still keep 13% of its total reserves in London, the German central bank said.
                      According to the BBC's Berlin correspondent, Stephen Evans, the German audit office has criticised the government for not keeping a proper track of the bars,
                      It has even suggested some of the bars may not have been checked to see if they are real, he added.




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                        Re: Germany 'goes for the gold' -YES!!!!!!

                        I assumed that when I read the head line. I was already aware of why it was here. Cold War era.

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                          Re: Germany 'goes for the gold' -YES!!!!!!

                          eight years should be long enough for the Fed to get some high quality tungsten plated up to look real, huh?

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                            Re: Germany 'goes for the gold' -YES!!!!!!

                            Originally posted by BadJuju View Post
                            Here is an update to this:

                            http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21040214

                            Germany's central bank is to bring back almost 700 tonnes of gold reserves it keeps in New York and Paris.
                            By 2020, half of its gold bars will be in its vaults, the Bundesbank said. It currently keeps less than a third at home.
                            The bars were originally taken out of Germany as a precaution against an invasion from the Soviet Union.
                            Central banks keep gold abroad so that it can be used to quickly buy foreign currency in times of crisis.
                            The Bundesbank will no longer keep any of its reserves in Paris, as both countries use the euro.
                            It will reduce the amount it holds in New York from 45% to 37% by the end of the decade.
                            No gold will be moved out of the Bank of England's vaults, however. It will still keep 13% of its total reserves in London, the German central bank said.
                            According to the BBC's Berlin correspondent, Stephen Evans, the German audit office has criticised the government for not keeping a proper track of the bars,
                            It has even suggested some of the bars may not have been checked to see if they are real, he added.
                            Given all the speculation regarding Gold plated Tungsten bars; we can also assume that they will want to melt every bar down and reform the ingots, before shipping them home.

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                              Re: Germany 'goes for the gold' -YES!!!!!!

                              OK, is the heard spooked????

                              this is on zerocred, is there any truth?
                              Now people in the Netherlands are asking for a re-patriation.

                              http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-0...xt-netherlands

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