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    Banks Face $100 Billion of Writedowns on Level 3 Rule, RBS Says
    By John Glover
    Nov. 7 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. banks and brokers face as much as $100 billion of writedowns because of Level 3 accounting rules, in addition to the losses caused by the subprime credit slump, according to Royal Bank of Scotland Group Plc.
    The Financial Accounting Standards Board's rule 157 will make it harder for companies to avoid putting market prices on securities considered hardest to value, known as Level 3 assets, Royal Bank's Chief Credit Strategist Bob Janjuah in London wrote in a note today. The new rule is effective Nov. 15, he said.
    ``This credit crisis, when all is out, will see $250 billion to $500 billion of losses,'' London-based Janjuah said. ``The heat is on and it is inevitable that more players will have to revalue at least a decent portion'' of assets they currently value using ``mark-to-make believe.''
    Morgan Stanley has the equivalent of 251 percent of its equity in Level 3 assets, according to Janjuah. Goldman Sachs Group Inc. has 185 percent, Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. has 159 percent and Citigroup Inc. has 105 percent, Janjuah wrote.
    Merrill Lynch & Co., which wrote down $8.4 billion of subprime mortgage debt and related securities, has Level 3 assets equal to 38 percent of its equity ``and may well come out of all of this in the best health,'' Janjuah said.
    Under FASB terminology, Level 1 means mark-to-market, where an asset's worth is based on a real price. Level 2 is mark-to- model, an estimate based on observable inputs and used when there aren't any quoted prices available. Level 3 values are based on ``unobservable'' inputs reflecting companies' ``own assumptions'' about the way assets would be priced.
    ABX indexes, which investors use to track the subprime-bond market, are showing ``observable levels'' that would eat up institutions' capital if the benchmark's prices were used to value their Level 3 assets, according to Janjuah.
    The indexes have tumbled this year because investors expected rising numbers of borrowers to default on home loans, cutting the cash flowing to the bonds that package the mortgages.




    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...plo&refer=home

  • #2
    Re: new accounting rule for level 3 assets will force big writedowns

    Jim Rogers was on Bloomberg and he said we be hearing a lot about this, so far its ONLY 2005 Vintage!
    Mega

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    • #3
      Re: new accounting rule for level 3 assets will force big writedowns

      JK,

      Prudent Bear talked about this on October 29, and I posted it here yesterday.

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      • #4
        Re: new accounting rule for level 3 assets will force big writedowns

        Originally posted by c1ue View Post
        JK,

        Prudent Bear talked about this on October 29, and I posted it here yesterday.
        you're right, now that i think about it. the martin hutchinson piece, right? i lose track of what i see where.

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        • #5
          Re: new accounting rule for level 3 assets will force big writedowns

          Originally posted by jk View Post
          you're right, now that i think about it. the martin hutchinson piece, right? i lose track of what i see where.
          We need to start a "What Other Sites See" thread here. Literally dozens of sites link in to use iTulip as a reference. For example: Mortgage Swamp.
          Ed.

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          • #6
            Re: new accounting rule for level 3 assets will force big writedowns

            Rotten poachers and moochers !!! :rolleyes:

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            • #7
              Re: new accounting rule for level 3 assets will force big writedowns

              Jim Grant is on a Bloomberg video right now talking about the level 3 write-downs that are on the way. He had an interesting phrase in the video to explain the different levels.

              Level 1 - Prices that you can look up in the paper
              Level 2 - Prices that are little less clear
              Level 3 - "Mark to Model, or as I like to call them, Mark-to-Year-End-Bonus."

              Also, he said, Crisis of credit superimposed on a crisis of the dollar. Both faith-based items that have lost their faith.

              Old fashioned lending used to have the three C's as their guiding principles:

              Collateral - declining
              Capacity to Pay - not sure if it was ever there
              Character - of the borrower (not the lender)

              It's all morphed to quants, or financial engineering. Confidence in the credit system has been shattered and it's not the knowledge of how bad it is, but something worse, how bad it could be - a very poisonous atmosphere.

              Anyway, no way for me to heist the video and post here so you have to go there to see it, but that's the summary. I always enjoy listening to him.
              It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye!

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              • #8
                Re: new accounting rule for level 3 assets will force big writedowns

                Originally posted by Uncle Jack View Post
                Jim Grant is on a Bloomberg video right now talking about the level 3 write-downs that are on the way. He had an interesting phrase in the video to explain the different levels.

                Level 1 - Prices that you can look up in the paper
                Level 2 - Prices that are little less clear
                Level 3 - "Mark to Model, or as I like to call them, Mark-to-Year-End-Bonus."

                Also, he said, Crisis of credit superimposed on a crisis of the dollar. Both faith-based items that have lost their faith.

                Old fashioned lending used to have the three C's as their guiding principles:

                Collateral - declining
                Capacity to Pay - not sure if it was ever there
                Character - of the borrower (not the lender)

                It's all morphed to quants, or financial engineering. Confidence in the credit system has been shattered and it's not the knowledge of how bad it is, but something worse, how bad it could be - a very poisonous atmosphere.

                Anyway, no way for me to heist the video and post here so you have to go there to see it, but that's the summary. I always enjoy listening to him.
                Went to the Bloomberg website and can't find the Jim Grant interview on the video list, nor does it show up on the search?

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                • #9
                  Re: new accounting rule for level 3 assets will force big writedowns

                  Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                  Went to the Bloomberg website and can't find the Jim Grant interview on the video list, nor does it show up on the search?
                  I think this is the video:

                  http://www.bloomberg.com/avp/avp.htm...ReC467LHk8.asf

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                  • #10
                    Re: new accounting rule for level 3 assets will force big writedowns

                    thanks for the link. grant is always articulate.

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                    • #11
                      Re: new accounting rule for level 3 assets will force big writedowns

                      I was thinking if the banks got to write off so much, the private investors that bought the financial products will lose even more? Not everything is principal guaranteed by the bank? Is it not? :confused:

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                      • #12
                        Re: new accounting rule for level 3 assets will force big writedowns

                        This is perhaps the biggest story out in the last year and yet we are not seeing this covered by the media. What is going on? One blurb from Bloomberg and that is it.

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                        • #13
                          Re: new accounting rule for level 3 assets will force big writedowns

                          Wouldn't want to start a panic by being too revealing.

                          I've dumped all financial assets in September despite almost holding them too long - I had been mentally trying to pull the trigger since March of this year.

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