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  • Interesting article concerning Level 3 accounting...

    http://www.prudentbear.com/index.php...4809&Itemid=53

    Some juicy quotes:

    We may be about to find out. From November 15, we will have a new tool for figuring out how much toxic waste is in investment banks’ balance sheets. The new accounting rule SFAS157 requires banks to divide their tradable assets into three “levels” according to how easy it is to get a market price for them. Level 1 assets have quoted prices in active markets. At the other extreme Level 3 assets have only unobservable inputs to measure value and are thus valued by reference to the banks’ own models.
    Goldman Sachs has disclosed its Level 3 assets, two quarters before it would be compelled to do so in the period ending February 29, 2008. Their total was $72 billion, which at first sight looks reasonable because it is only 8% of total assets. However the problem becomes more serious when you realize that $72 billion is twice Goldman’s capital of $36 billion.
    There has been no rush to disclose Level 3 assets in advance of the first quarter in which it becomes compulsory, probably that ending in February or March 2008. Figures that have been disclosed show Lehman with $22 billion in Level 3 assets, 100% of capital, Bear Stearns with $20 billion, 155% of capital and J.P. Morgan Chase with about $60 billion, 50% of capital. However those figures are almost certainly low; the border between Level 2 and Level 3 is a fuzzy one and it is unquestionably in the interest of banks to classify as many of their assets as possible as Level 2, where analysts won’t worry about them, rather than Level 3, where analyst concern is likely.
    When Nomura Securities sold its mortgage portfolio and exited the US mortgage business in this quarter, it took a write-off of 28% of the portfolio’s value, slightly above the 27% of the portfolio that was represented by subprime mortgage assets. Were Goldman Sachs’s Level 3 assets similarly value-impaired, it would result in a $20 billion write-off, more than half Goldman’s capital, leaving the bank severely damaged albeit probably still in existence.

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    (RANT) Re: Interesting article concerning Level 3 accounting...

    what I find absolutely ASSTOUNDING is that in this day and age where the power of a 1985 cray YMP 20 million 1985 dollars) and instant secure communication ANYWHERE in the world, and the ease with which a billion people can set up online auctions ...

    THESE smartasses manage to conconct a brew that cannot be properly priced.

    there was the case of a mining company that put up all its drill results and offered a prize for the best guess of where the best mineralization would occur.


    But these banks, saturated and overflowing with computing power and networking, can't find an accurate price?


    Originally posted by c1ue View Post

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    • #3
      Re: Interesting article concerning Level 3 accounting...

      Oh, I forgot the best one:

      http://www.marketwatch.com/news/stor...699184BBA4E%7D

      Citigroup Inc. in a quarterly regulatory filing Monday said its so-called level 3 assets as of Sept. 30 were $134.84 billion.
      I'm officially starting the bank run on Citi around the world now.

      Who's with me?

      I'm also applying my Countrywide Sicilian Kiss of Death to Citi...

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      • #4
        Re: (RANT) Re: Interesting article concerning Level 3 accounting...

        Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
        what I find absolutely ASSTOUNDING is that in this day and age where the power of a 1985 cray YMP 20 million 1985 dollars) and instant secure communication ANYWHERE in the world, and the ease with which a billion people can set up online auctions ...

        THESE smartasses manage to conconct a brew that cannot be properly priced.
        the whole point was to design them so they couldn't be priced. that's where the PROFITS came from. these things were sold to customers based on the originators' assurances that the customer was getting value for its money, and there was no market price against which to gauge that assurance.

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        • #5
          Re: Interesting article concerning Level 3 accounting...

          Originally posted by c1ue View Post
          Oh, I forgot the best one:

          http://www.marketwatch.com/news/stor...699184BBA4E%7D



          I'm officially starting the bank run on Citi around the world now.

          Who's with me?

          I'm also applying my Countrywide Sicilian Kiss of Death to Citi...

          Citi is not cw bank, cw bank is technically insolvent and doomed.

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