Ron Paul money bomb

[Gresham]

Ron Paul is having a very impressive day rising funds. So far he has raised over 2.5 million since midnight last night and it is projected that it could reach 5 million by the end of the day. The current 2.5 million has broken several records and if they reach 5 million they will have crushed all the single day fund rising records.
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How many iTulip readers have donated or are planning on doing so?:p>:p>

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

[metalman]

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Ron Paul is having a very impressive day rising funds. So far he has raised over 2.5 million since midnight last night and it is projected that it could reach 5 million by the end of the day. The current 2.5 million has broken several records and if they reach 5 million they will have crushed all the single day fund rising records.
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How many iTulip readers have donated or are planning on doing so?:p>:p>

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

no one's saying nutthin. ok, i find the poll ambiguous. if by "support" it means his ideas and him, yes. don't like the religious positions. i'm haaard coooore libertarian. no gummit in abortion or stem cells or drugs or anything. no exceptions. but on balance, he's better than anyone else. that said... he's running an education campaign. his votes will get flipped to another candidate. thinking this through... who? huckabee, most likely. he's great. so paul = huckabee is ok by me.

[rj1]

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I support Paul. I am a libertarian independent. I wrote him a check for $100. However, I am resigned to him losing. Libertarians in our country's politics are pretty much a disenfranchised group. They used to be a Republican group but the Republicans by their actions are telling them to "get out, you're no longer wanted". George W. Bush and Rudy Giuliani for example are as much libertarians as Hillary Clinton, which is not at all.

So I'm resigned to voting third-party for a protest again next November.

[Jim Nickerson]

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I support Paul. I am a libertarian independent. I wrote him a check for $100. However, I am resigned to him losing. Libertarians in our country's politics are pretty much a disenfranchised group. They used to be a Republican group but the Republicans by their actions are telling them to "get out, you're no longer wanted". George W. Bush and Rudy Giuliani for example are as much libertarians as Hillary Clinton, which is not at all.

So I'm resigned to voting third-party for a protest again next November.

I probably came up with $25 to donate to Richard Nixon for re-election in 1972. I got a silver dollar-sized "gold" coin with Nixon's profile on it in a plastic display case with a stand. Still have that mother behind me at this moment in my bookcase. I think after that donation I was on the Republican mailing list for at least 25 years.


Average people donating to politicians is indicative of their gullability and ignorance in my opinion. That is unfortunate. Nothing personal intended with regard to you, arejayone.

[metalman]

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I probably came up with $25 to donate to Richard Nixon for re-election in 1972. I got a silver dollar-sized "gold" coin with Nixon's profile on it in a plastic display case with a stand. Still have that mother behind me at this moment in my bookcase. I think after that donation I was on the Republican mailing list for at least 25 years.


Average people donating to politicians is indicative of their gullability and ignorance in my opinion. That is unfortunate. Nothing personal intended with regard to you, arejayone.

goddamn someone slap me! thank you for reminding me. i was gonna piss some of my hard earned bonars down the shitter on some pol before i read this.

whew. that was a close one.

is this the beauty you mean?



or this



or this



and what the fuck is the state of fujairah and why is nixon's ugly mug on a fujairah coin?

or nixon/agnew



and last but not least...



that one leave me speechless.

so which is yours, jim?

if i missed yours, more over at ebay...

[GRG55]

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goddamn someone slap me! thank you for reminding me. i was gonna piss some of my hard earned bonars down the shitter on some pol before i read this.

whew. that was a close one...

...or this



and what the fuck is the state of fujairah and why is nixon's ugly mug on a fujairah coin?

metalman: Some of your posts are absolutely priceless. ROFL.

My guess is that Nixon sent a rifle division of the California National Guard to Fujairah to protect them from their "brotherly Arab neighbours" thus gaining the undying gratitude of the Emir. Now it takes 5 Carrier Groups to achieve the same thing. Thankfully that's probably excluded from the BLS core inflation calculation...

[Jim Nickerson]

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goddamn someone slap me! thank you for reminding me. i was gonna piss some of my hard earned bonars down the shitter on some pol before i read this.

whew. that was a close one.

is this the beauty you mean?



or this



or this



and what the fuck is the state of fujairah and why is nixon's ugly mug on a fujairah coin?

or nixon/agnew



and last but not least...



that one leave me speechless.

so which is yours, jim?

if i missed yours, more over at ebay...

metalman,

Being that you are the "metalman," this "gold" coin I have (this is written on the back) is "Solid Bronze . Limited Edition" Minted by Franklin Mint. It's picture is not in your post, nor did I see it on the ebay link after about a minute's look. I bet this mother is worth a quarter or 1/100 of what it cost me.

It's name is "The Official Republican National Committee 1972 Presidential Campaign Medal." I was likely 31 y/o when I made the donation--shows that age 25 may not be the age of reason or is that supposedly 18 y/o?

What a bummer all that was with Nixon and Agnew--unfuckingbelieveable!!

I really don't think politics have changed since then, the crooks are just a bit more careful, or a lot more careful. I guess Nixon and Agnew were good lessons for all who ever come after them, about how they better not get caught. Slick-Willie sort of slipped a bit.

Save your money, do not voluntarily turn it over to crooks; they will have it soon enough.

[Butte Bill]

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I worked for RMN back in 1968 because he supported bringing back the gold standard and had a "secret plan" to get us out of Viet Nam. I stopped supporting the Republicans on August 15, 1971, and unfortunately haven't voted for a single candidate who has won since.

I just recently reregistered as a, ahem, Republican, so that I can vote in my states February primary against Adolf. Unfortunately, that moniker can be fairly applied to all the candidates of both major parties, except for Ron Paul.

As for his candidacy being one of education, after raising $4,200,000 in one day from over 37,000 donors (yes, me too), it is beginning to look like he is a serious candidate, and not just a teacher.

As for rolling his support to another candidate, would you rather vote for Stalin, Hitler, or Mao? Just not that much of a choice, huh?

[rj1]

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people donating to politicians is indicative of their gullability and ignorance in my opinion. That is unfortunate. Nothing personal intended with regard to you, arejayone.

Ultimately Jim, you're right. When I wrote the check I knew it wouldn't help him win. My reason for the donation is that maybe by Paul having more money he could convince a few more people in this country on the virtues of the libertarian philosophy. Libertarianism (small government, most decisions left to state, government stays out of your life) is a dying philosophy in this country. The Republican's current philosophy is neo-conservatism where they've essentially become pro-war Democrats that spend money with wreckless abandon.

Part of me wonders if Paul saw this and decided that is why he wanted to run. No one's a saint I know and he could've just ran as a fit in vanity. However, I'd like to think Paul just wanted to give "one last gasp" to Republican small-government policies. No one else in the Republican nomination race can say with a straight face they are truly small-government. I wish Nancy Reagan stood up at that first debate and said that when everyone tried to compare themselves to her late husband. But I digress.

The thing is, any person that thinks they can make a difference in politics is pretty gullible and ignorant. I'm 25. I've voted in 2 presidential elections, 1 senatorial election, 2 gubernatorial elections, and 3 representative elections. Did my opinion ever really make a difference in anything? Was my efforts worth anything? No. The Republicans and Democrats don't care or give a s*** about me. They'd probably rather I didn't show up cause I'm not a koolaid drinker like most of their supporters.

It's so depressing. When I was in school you hear about your civic duty as why you should vote, and why this is a great country and how here and nowhere else are you the most free and able to decide your life due to the sacrifices of our founding fathers and their descendents before you. It's all bulls***. We have all these problems, and we're the shining light of the world? Is this all there is? I know we defeated the Soviet Union cause I read about it, but the Soviet Union was never a part of my life, it fell when I was 8 years old, so I cannot really relate to it.

If the U.S. "is the last hope of western civilization" as I believe Tom Tancredo put it in a debate (I know he's not the best person to quote), than western civilization and the United States as we know it are well and truly f***ed. Our nation is heading to either a bankruptcy or an increasing tax load on the normal citizenry like you and I to just pay the bills. Our nation is sending all manufacturing overseas, and it will never come back (if China's standard of living improves, all that manufacturing will just go to some other poor country). How are those people that lost their jobs going to work, go to McDonald's for $6 an hour? Is that what we want here? Our nation is going through a recession and the government fixes numbers to give the illusion of greatness that the population takes at face value and don't examine for truth, and if you do examine it, you're the tinfoil hat type. Did I die and wake up Winston Smith?

We have two simultaneous wars going on and our President and his staff are dumb enough to think we can fight against Iran in a third? I'm from a military town and so despite me being a civilian, I am a military brat and I have some sense of attachment to what the military are going through in Iraq and Afghanistan. My dad is a former Marine that now works for the Department of Defense (government employee that works on military aircraft, not a contractor) that has been on two 90-day tours and will go on a third next year. Him and everyone he works with knows the truth about these wars. My father's voted Republican in every presidential election in his life. He served, 3 of his 4 brothers served, his father served. I ask him about the war when he came home after his second tour. He said it's a mess and there was going to be a draft. He then told me that Bush and Rumsfeld were f***ing idiots and "you don't want to be a part of this s***, go to Canada". I never had a high opinion of draft dodgers as I was from a military town and then asked "isn't that kind of the p*ssy's way out?" He then told me that you go to war to defend your family, this was not a war with a purpose, and that using common sense on those two points is not being a coward. So that belief got shattered.

We used to be a great country. I know so, I read about it in history books. What happened? Why are we falling down and none of our leaders have the ability to stand back up?

So is it ignorant and gullible for me to give money to Ron Paul? Again, yes. But what else am I supposed to do? Stand by while Rudy or Hillary destroy the country even further? That's probably my only choice that I will be given, but I at least want to give a shot despite the fact I have no voice. That way I can tell my grandkids I tried.

Sorry, this is something I've been mulling on for awhile. I have other message boards I post on (for sports, my alma mater) where we occasionally discuss politics, but those people think I am an idiot for thinking the U.S. economy might not be in great shape, that the dollar is going to collapse, and that I'm a libertarian in general. One person yesterday said that since I am a libertarian I must be a racist at heart. It is just disgusting to be in a minority and you know you never have any chance at winning. But anyway, sorry for my long rant. It feels good to write down my feelings.

[Jim Nickerson]

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Ultimately Jim, you're right. When I wrote the check I knew it wouldn't help him win. My reason for the donation is that maybe by Paul having more money he could convince a few more people in this country on the virtues of the libertarian philosophy. Libertarianism (small government, most decisions left to state, government stays out of your life) is a dying philosophy in this country. The Republican's current philosophy is neo-conservatism where they've essentially become pro-war Democrats that spend money with wreckless abandon.

Part of me wonders if Paul saw this and decided that is why he wanted to run. No one's a saint I know and he could've just ran as a fit in vanity. However, I'd like to think Paul just wanted to give "one last gasp" to Republican small-government policies. No one else in the Republican nomination race can say with a straight face they are truly small-government. I wish Nancy Reagan stood up at that first debate and said that when everyone tried to compare themselves to her late husband. But I digress.

The thing is, any person that thinks they can make a difference in politics is pretty gullible and ignorant. I'm 25. I've voted in 2 presidential elections, 1 senatorial election, 2 gubernatorial elections, and 3 representative elections. Did my opinion ever really make a difference in anything? Was my efforts worth anything? No. The Republicans and Democrats don't care or give a s*** about me. They'd probably rather I didn't show up cause I'm not a koolaid drinker like most of their supporters.

It's so depressing. When I was in school you hear about your civic duty as why you should vote, and why this is a great country and how here and nowhere else are you the most free and able to decide your life due to the sacrifices of our founding fathers and their descendents before you. It's all bulls***. We have all these problems, and we're the shining light of the world? Is this all there is? I know we defeated the Soviet Union cause I read about it, but the Soviet Union was never a part of my life, it fell when I was 8 years old, so I cannot really relate to it.

If the U.S. "is the last hope of western civilization" as I believe Tom Tancredo put it in a debate (I know he's not the best person to quote), than western civilization and the United States as we know it are well and truly f***ed. Our nation is heading to either a bankruptcy or an increasing tax load on the normal citizenry like you and I to just pay the bills. Our nation is sending all manufacturing overseas, and it will never come back (if China's standard of living improves, all that manufacturing will just go to some other poor country). How are those people that lost their jobs going to work, go to McDonald's for $6 an hour? Is that what we want here? Our nation is going through a recession and the government fixes numbers to give the illusion of greatness that the population takes at face value and don't examine for truth, and if you do examine it, you're the tinfoil hat type. Did I die and wake up Winston Smith?

We have two simultaneous wars going on and our President and his staff are dumb enough to think we can fight against Iran in a third? I'm from a military town and so despite me being a civilian, I am a military brat and I have some sense of attachment to what the military are going through in Iraq and Afghanistan. My dad is a former Marine that now works for the Department of Defense (government employee that works on military aircraft, not a contractor) that has been on two 90-day tours and will go on a third next year. Him and everyone he works with knows the truth about these wars. My father's voted Republican in every presidential election in his life. He served, 3 of his 4 brothers served, his father served. I ask him about the war when he came home after his second tour. He said it's a mess and there was going to be a draft. He then told me that Bush and Rumsfeld were f***ing idiots and "you don't want to be a part of this s***, go to Canada". I never had a high opinion of draft dodgers as I was from a military town and then asked "isn't that kind of the p*ssy's way out?" He then told me that you go to war to defend your family, this was not a war with a purpose, and that using common sense on those two points is not being a coward. So that belief got shattered.

We used to be a great country. I know so, I read about it in history books. What happened? Why are we falling down and none of our leaders have the ability to stand back up?

So is it ignorant and gullible for me to give money to Ron Paul? Again, yes. But what else am I supposed to do? Stand by while Rudy or Hillary destroy the country even further? That's probably my only choice that I will be given, but I at least want to give a shot despite the fact I have no voice. That way I can tell my grandkids I tried.

Sorry, this is something I've been mulling on for awhile. I have other message boards I post on (for sports, my alma mater) where we occasionally discuss politics, but those people think I am an idiot for thinking the U.S. economy might not be in great shape, that the dollar is going to collapse, and that I'm a libertarian in general. One person yesterday said that since I am a libertarian I must be a racist at heart. It is just disgusting to be in a minority and you know you never have any chance at winning. But anyway, sorry for my long rant. It feels good to write down my feelings.

Good answer, rj. Gosh, at 25 I was on my way to Viet Nam as a dentist and compared to what you know now I didn't know jack-shit except for a bit about dentistry. What a different world today with the internet--assuming one has some curiosity and time to exercise it.

To me if one understands the situation in UBRA (is that what EJ has named it?) and I understand perhaps a bit, it is scary, and if I were 25 it would be much, much scarier--that is why I am not unhappy to be 66.

I don't have any suggestions to anyone as to what they should do with regard to politics--perhaps your guiding notion about doing something for which you would have no shame to tell your grandchildren is a good as it gets.

Civic duty with regard to voting and jury duty are two gargantuan examples of brainwashing in America--though I did vote for George the seeming religious idiot--twice no less. So put me down as an example of an extremely slow, recalcitrant learner. Voting should be a good thing, but the entire process at all levels is corrupted, and hopefully you will survive to see something external to the system effect a change--but personally I would not be to optimistic.

You've likely got a lot of time ahead of you. My advice, which hopefully I would have the fortitude to take if i had to start again at 25 would be to work hard, be honest, save all you can (buy what you need), don't be greedy, and live your life so that you will always feel the best that you possibly can about yourself, e.g. strive to be an Ayn Rand sort of individual. Oh, and don't forget to floss at least once really well every 48 hours.

[metalman]

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Good answer, rj. Gosh, at 25 I was on my way to Viet Nam as a dentist and compared to what you know now I didn't know jack-shit except for a bit about dentistry. What a different world today with the internet--assuming one has some curiosity and time to exercise it.

To me if one understands the situation in UBRA (is that what EJ has named it?) and I understand perhaps a bit, it is scary, and if I were 25 it would be much, much scarier--that is why I am not unhappy to be 66.

I don't have any suggestions to anyone as to what they should do with regard to politics--perhaps your guiding notion about doing something for which you would have no shame to tell your grandchildren is a good as it gets.

Civic duty with regard to voting and jury duty are two gargantuan examples of brainwashing in America--though I did vote for George the seeming religious idiot--twice no less. So put me down as an example of an extremely slow, recalcitrant learner. Voting should be a good thing, but the entire process at all levels is corrupted, and hopefully you will survive to see something external to the system effect a change--but personally I would not be to optimistic.

You've likely got a lot of time ahead of you. My advice, which hopefully I would have the fortitude to take if i had to start again at 25 would be to work hard, be honest, save all you can (buy what you need), don't be greedy, and live your life so that you will always feel the best that you possibly can about yourself, e.g. strive to be an Ayn Rand sort of individual. Oh, and don't forget to floss at least once really well every 48 hours.

excellent advice! and i just went and flossed.

[soewhatman]

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Man, RJ1, that's the best post I've read on the 'net for some time. So good this lurker has to pipe up and complement you. I'm 29, just a bit older, but the same generation and you voiced quite nicely a good portion of how I feel. Ron Paul got a bit of my money too. I figured it was the best way for me to "cast my vote" in this election cycle.

The impression I get about Ron Paul supporters is that we are generally either young or old. Nothing scientific here, to be sure, just guessing based on anecdotal evidence.

The old folks who remember a time when America was a frugal nation with equally frugal citizens and a much smaller federal government. My grandparents grew up like this, and they are not exactly thrilled with the current fiscal status of the great US of A. In this election cycle Ron Paul is the only candidate that you could call a "fiscal conservative."


On the other end of the spectrum, there is an entire generation that is now beginning to realize we are going to get screwed royally by the great US of A over our lifetime. Social Security? Hah. I'm so glad I'm paying in. :confused: Taxes? Only gonna go up. No way they can't. Save money? Whats the point, it will be worthless tomorrow. Gotta give it to the money managers and their fixed game just so it can hold it's value, if you are lucky. Job market? Well, I'm pretty sure in 20 years I'll either be a waiter or a nail stylist in a Vietnamese nail salon. That's where all the job growth is.

I'd like to pass it off as the angst of youth, but I'm a little old and much too rational to be moved by angst.

That's just the tip of the iceberg, but the only "voice" I have found that touches on these issues in ways that might lead to significant change in my lifetime is Ron Paul. Did I waste my money? Umm...I think in this cycle it was a more important "vote" than the one I'll actually cast on election day. Even if Paul is not an electable candidate, he is bringing up some very important issues that will need to be tacked in my lifetime, and proposing solutions that are very much outside the box by modern political standards. So, uh, I guess you can count me amongst the rabid Ron Paul supporters.

Cheers.


Rick.

[GRG55]

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Man, RJ1, that's the best post I've read on the 'net for some time. So good this lurker has to pipe up and complement you. I'm 29, just a bit older, but the same generation and you voiced quite nicely a good portion of how I feel. Ron Paul got a bit of my money too. I figured it was the best way for me to "cast my vote" in this election cycle.

The impression I get about Ron Paul supporters is that we are generally either young or old. Nothing scientific here, to be sure, just guessing based on anecdotal evidence.

The old folks who remember a time when America was a frugal nation with equally frugal citizens and a much smaller federal government. My grandparents grew up like this, and they are not exactly thrilled with the current fiscal status of the great US of A. In this election cycle Ron Paul is the only candidate that you could call a "fiscal conservative."


On the other end of the spectrum, there is an entire generation that is now beginning to realize we are going to get screwed royally by the great US of A over our lifetime. Social Security? Hah. I'm so glad I'm paying in. :confused: Taxes? Only gonna go up. No way they can't. Save money? Whats the point, it will be worthless tomorrow. Gotta give it to the money managers and their fixed game just so it can hold it's value, if you are lucky. Job market? Well, I'm pretty sure in 20 years I'll either be a waiter or a nail stylist in a Vietnamese nail salon. That's where all the job growth is.

I'd like to pass it off as the angst of youth, but I'm a little old and much too rational to be moved by angst.

That's just the tip of the iceberg, but the only "voice" I have found that touches on these issues in ways that might lead to significant change in my lifetime is Ron Paul. Did I waste my money? Umm...I think in this cycle it was a more important "vote" than the one I'll actually cast on election day. Even if Paul is not an electable candidate, he is bringing up some very important issues that will need to be tacked in my lifetime, and proposing solutions that are very much outside the box by modern political standards. So, uh, I guess you can count me amongst the rabid Ron Paul supporters.

Cheers.


Rick.

Gentlemen: These things are all relative. I live in a region where representative government is a theoretical concept (allegedly promoted by the "wretched infidels" and the "Great Satan"). Your system may now be disfunctional and in need of overhaul, but over its relatively short history (a mere 231 years) your country has run what may be the most successful experiment in democratic government ever.

At least you have a system to fix. Take back your republic!

[Guest]

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RJ1 -

Great post. You are a very smart guy. Our current administration would cringe to discover how many people like you can see straight through them. If you are seeing that much in your twenties all I can say however is try very hard not to wind up a cynic, because there will probably be many reasons to end up one.

Given your family's credentials of service, your assessment and indictment of the current administration and the fiscal "three card monte" going on is doubly harsh. At very least, please know that there are many people here who hear you - 4X4.