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    An interesting article by Ambrose Evans Prichard of the Telegraph. My experience of Italy is that the North is very rich and the South very poor. The wages are low and tax avoidance is rife.:-

    The nation is richer than Germany in per capita terms, with some €9 trillion of private wealth. It has the biggest primary budget surplus in the G7 bloc. Its combined public and private debt is 265pc of GDP, lower than in France, Holland, the UK, the US or Japan.

    It scores top of the International Monetary Fund’s index for “long-term debt sustainability” among key industrial nations, precisely because it reformed the pension structure long ago under Silvio Berlusconi.

    “They have a vibrant export sector, and a primary surplus. If there is any country in EMU that would benefit from leaving the euro and restoring competitiveness, it is obviously Italy,” said Andrew Roberts from RBS.

    “The numbers are staring them in the face. We think the story of 2013 is not about countries being forced to leave EMU but whether they choose to leave.”

    A “game theory” study by Bank of America concluded that Italy would gain more than other EMU members from breaking free and restoring sovereign control over its policy levers.

    Its International Investment Position is near balance, in stark contrast to Spain and Portugal (both in deficit by more than 90pc of GDP). Its primary surplus implies it can leave EMU at any moment it wishes without facing a funding crisis.

    A high savings rate means that any interest rate shock after returning to the lira would mostly flow back into the economy through higher payments to Italian bondholders – and it is often forgotten that Italy’s “real” rates were much lower under the Banca d’Italia.

    Rome holds a clutch of trump cards. The one great obstacle is premier Mario Monti, installed at the head of a technocrat team in the November Putsch of 2011 by German Chancellor Angela Merkel and the European Central Bank – to the applause of Europe’s media and political class.

    Mr Monti may be one of Europe’s great gentlemen but he is also a high priest of the EU Project and a key author of Italy’s euro membership. The sooner he goes, the sooner Italy can halt the slide into chronic depression.

    Markets are, of course, horrified that he will resign once the 2013 budget is passed, opening the door to political mayhem early next year. Yields on 10-year Italian debt spiked 30 basis points to 4.85pc on Monday. “The armistice lasted 13 months. Now the war continues. The world watches us with incredulity,” wrote Corriere della Sera.

    The immediate risk for bond investors is a fractured parliament, with a “25pc” chance of victory by the eurosceptic forces of Mr Berlusconi, the Northern League and comedian Beppe Grillo, now running near 18pc in the polls. “We’re doomed if there is no clear majority in parliament,” said Prof Giuseppe Ragusa from Luis Guido Carli Unversity in Rome.

    Any such outcome would leave the bond markets as nakedly exposed as they were in July during the last spasm of Europe’s debt crisis. Rome would be even less likely to request a rescue and sign a “Memorandum” giving up fiscal sovereignty – the preconditions for ECB action to cap Italian bond yields.

    All those investors who rushed into Italian debt – or Spanish debt – after the ECB’s Mario Draghi pledged to do whatever it takes to hold EMU together would find that Mr Draghi cannot deliver. His hands are tied by politics. Bondholders should be worried. But the interests of Italian democracy and foreign creditors are no longer aligned. The 1930s deflation policies imposed by Berlin and Brussels have pushed the country into a Grecian vortex. The business lobby Confindustria said the nation is being reduced to “social rubble”.

    The latest data confirm that Italy’s industrial output is in accelating freefall, down 6.2pc in October from a year earlier. “We have seen a complete capitulation of the private sector over the last 12 months,” said Dario Perkins, from Lombard Street Research. “Business confidence is back to levels in the depths of the financial crisis. Consumer confidence is the lowest ever. Berlusconi is right that austerity has been a complete disaster.”

    Consumption has fallen 4.8pc over the past year as higher taxes bite. “There is no precedent for this in data. The risk for 2013 is that that fall will be even worse,” said consumer group Confcommercio.

    The origins of this crisis go back to the mid 1990s when the D-Mark and the Lira were fixed in perpetuity. Italy had the Scala Mobile wage system and inflation habits. Old ways die hard.

    It lost 30pc to 40pc in labour competitiveness against Germany by a slow ratchet effect. Its historic trade surplus with Germany has become a big structural deficit.

    The damage is now done. You cannot set the clock back. Yet that is exactly what the EU policy elites are trying to do by means of drastic austerity and an “internal devaluation”.

    Such a policy may work in a small open economy with a high trade-gearing like Ireland. In Italy it is replicating Britain’s experience after Winston Churchill put sterling back on Gold at an over-valued rate in 1925. As Keynes said acidly, wages are “sticky” going down. British pay scarcely moved for the next five years. The chief effect of such a policy is to drive unemployment sky high. Italy’s youth jobless rate is 36.5pc and rising.

    Mr Monti has rammed through fiscal tightening of 3.2pc of GDP this year, three times the therapeutic dose. There is no economic reason to do this. Italy has had a budget near primary balance over the past six years. It has been, and was under Berlusconi, a rare model of rectitude.

    The primary surplus will reach 3.6pc of GDP this year and 4.9pc next year. You could not be more virtuous. Yet the pain has been worse than useless. Fiscal tightening itself has pushed Italy’s public debt from a stable equilibrium into the danger zone. The IMF says the debt ratio is rising much faster than before, jumping from 120pc last year to 126pc this year and to 128pc in 2013.

    The economy has been contracting for five quarters. Citigroup says this will grind on, with falls of 1.2pc in 2013 and 1.5pc in 2014, with near zero growth thereafter as far as 2017, and debt restructuring along the way.

    It would be remarkable if Italian voters tolerate this debacle for long, even if Pier Luigi Bersani wins the election on a centre-Left, pro-reform, pro-euro ticket. Survey data from the PEW Trust show that just 30pc now think the euro has been a “good thing”.

    The chorus in favour of EMU exit turned silent after Mr Draghi pledged salvation. Five months later it is clear that the deeper crisis is still festering. The voices are growing louder again. Mr Berlusconi plays mischievously with the theme, one day floating his “crazy idea” of telling the Banca d’Italia to print euros defiantly, the next saying “it’s not blasphemy to talk of leaving the euro”.

    His language had a harder edge this week. “Italy is on the edge of the abyss. I can’t allow my country to plunge into an endless recessionary spiral.

    “The situation today is far worse than a year ago when I left the government. We have an extra million unemployed, the debt is rising, firms are closing, property is collapsing, and the car market is destroyed. We can’t keep going on like this.”

    Indeed not.

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    "Such a policy may work in a small open economy with a high trade-gearing like Ireland."

    Eh, NO! Ireland is progressing nicely up Sh*t Creek (economically and politically). Its known as achieving a Successful Failure (in heroic terms). Individual poverty and social inequity are increasing. At bottom our economy has regressed approx 15 years. Unless there is a generous and unconditional debt default we will slowly regress back to the 1970s: its that bad. And pay not a blind bit of notice to the PR propaganda crapola being broadcast by the Usual Suspects. Our politicians are a bunch of sh*tless chickens, tending a flock of gutless sheeple. Dublin is not Reykjavik!

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      high priest of the EU Project
      I like that. The only thing left out to which "religion" he belong as it certainly doesn't look like it was the Italian people.

      Its combined public and private debt is 265pc of GDP, lower than in France, Holland, the UK, the US or Japan.
      I don't understand this number. That is GOOD?

      eurosceptic forces of Mr Berlusconi
      No kidding, first time I hear this but then I do not follow Italian politics.

      Interesting article and gives me a completely different picture of Italian finances than I imagined.

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        Originally posted by bpwoods View Post
        "Such a policy may work in a small open economy with a high trade-gearing like Ireland."

        Eh, NO! Ireland is progressing nicely up Sh*t Creek (economically and politically). Its known as achieving a Successful Failure (in heroic terms). Individual poverty and social inequity are increasing. At bottom our economy has regressed approx 15 years. Unless there is a generous and unconditional debt default we will slowly regress back to the 1970s: its that bad. And pay not a blind bit of notice to the PR propaganda crapola being broadcast by the Usual Suspects. Our politicians are a bunch of sh*tless chickens, tending a flock of gutless sheeple. Dublin is not Reykjavik!
        More please!

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        • #5
          Re: Italy

          Originally posted by bpwoods View Post
          "Such a policy may work in a small open economy with a high trade-gearing like Ireland."

          Eh, NO! Ireland is progressing nicely up Sh*t Creek (economically and politically). Its known as achieving a Successful Failure (in heroic terms). Individual poverty and social inequity are increasing. At bottom our economy has regressed approx 15 years. Unless there is a generous and unconditional debt default we will slowly regress back to the 1970s: its that bad. And pay not a blind bit of notice to the PR propaganda crapola being broadcast by the Usual Suspects. Our politicians are a bunch of sh*tless chickens, tending a flock of gutless sheeple. Dublin is not Reykjavik!
          I've lived in Ireland for many years and saw both the boom and the subsequent bust unfold. There's plenty of anger about but many commentators have questioned why the Irish do not riot like the Greeks. The bust certainly brought hardship for many people: those who lost their jobs, and those who had over-borrowed. Nevertheless many Irish people remain well off and the country still has a strong social security net. At street level in Irish cities, you can see many shops that have closed down and been boarded up. But you can also see many remaining shops that are bustling with customers. In the run up to Xmas shops are practically bursting at the seams. A recent nationwide poll showed an astonishing 71% of Irish are "perfectly content with their standard of living". It's a place of contrasts, where you might see an abandoned half finished apartment block side by side with a shopping mall completed just before the bust and now crammed with customers.

          Many Irish are very angry about what happened here and disillusioned with their leaders. But the number suffering severe hardship is actually low. And that's probably why there are no riots here.

          Ireland's unemployment trajectory nicely illustrates your point about going back 15 years. But it also shows that the Irish are in familiar territory - they have been here before:

          https://www.google.ie/publicdata/exp...loyment%20rate

          Ireland is probably not a one-way bet to either succeed or fail. There's a high level of energy here, but also a lot of debt.

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          • #6
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            We Irish do not do rioting. That's a Belfast occupation. Cultural differences dictate.

            We (in the republic) have had 80 years of self-rule which has been mostly peaceful with the odd bit of argy-bargy. The overwhelming majority of Irish voters are conservative (right of centre) with small numbers on right and left of centre. The mainstream political parties Fianna Fail, Fine Gael and the Sinn Fein (Irish National Socialist Party ) all arose from two schisms of the hegomonic (1922) Sinn Fein Party. The Irish Labour Party is an 'orphan'. It 'lost' 85% of its electoral support in 1921 when partition separated it from its natural electoral base in the industrial heartlands of Belfast. The residue was marooned in a deeply conservative, predominantly rural state. Its not a socialist party at all, but a right of centre party with a very patchy electoral strength.

            We only began to have coalition governments (as a matter of routine) since 1989. Local politics dominates national politics. Clientalism is rife. So is petty corruption. Its all about who you know and how you can influence them. This has 'worked' - up until the general election of 2011. Then we had a minor political earthquake. The hegemonic Fianna Fail party was trashed. Its wait and see time. But the ruling Fine Gael and Irish Labour Party coalition are deeply, deeply unpopular; Sinn Fein is untrusted (they're right-wing nationalists) despite their assertions to the contrary. Its at least three years to the next general election, so we voters will have to bide our time - then make some very uncomfortable choices. Interesting times.

            Yes the economy appears OK, especially in the wealthier parts of our major cities (rather than in the exurbs or rural areas) but its a temporary veneer until you peer carefully beneath the hood. The gaskets are leaking! If you drive slowly you will make it home, but do not expect the engine to start in the morning! We have just had a budget which will subtract Euro 3.5 bill from the economy over the next year (tax increases and social welfare reductions). Major deflationary impact is predicted sometime within next four months. As I said, interesting times.

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            • #7
              Re: Italy

              Originally posted by bpwoods View Post
              "Such a policy may work in a small open economy with a high trade-gearing like Ireland."

              Eh, NO! Ireland is progressing nicely up Sh*t Creek (economically and politically). Its known as achieving a Successful Failure (in heroic terms). Individual poverty and social inequity are increasing. At bottom our economy has regressed approx 15 years. Unless there is a generous and unconditional debt default we will slowly regress back to the 1970s: its that bad. And pay not a blind bit of notice to the PR propaganda crapola being broadcast by the Usual Suspects. Our politicians are a bunch of sh*tless chickens, tending a flock of gutless sheeple. Dublin is not Reykjavik!
              I don't think people really think much about point of view. When a segment of a population has become poorer it may be in absolute terms like in a post war situation. However it may also be the result of a transfer of wealth to another class in which case life is better than ever because butlers are so cheap. When someone increase their slaves and servants it can be said to be the result of success from someone's point of view. I believe Voltaire noted that it takes a lot of poor people to make a rich person. So when poverty is increased, so then often is another's wealth.


              The first step in economics is to define a social good which is in some ways arbitrary even at the philosophical level. Is it total prosperity or general prosperity? Then of course the real determining factor of successful economy is how the ruling class has fared. When the ruling class is not a democracy and is in fact a small oligarchy, declarations of prosperity can become rather suspect. I am pretty sure the grave yards are full of those who no longer fare well, but they are not politically influential.

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              • #8
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                Time to order in some pizza and knock heads over lunch?

                ROME | Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:56am EDT


                ROME (Reuters) - Italian President Giorgio Napolitano on Saturday ruled out standing down early to make way for new parliamentary elections, following the failure of attempts to form a government this week.

                Napolitano, whose term ends on May 15, spoke after news reports suggested he might resign to get around constitutional provisions which prevent a president dissolving parliament and calling elections in the final months of his mandate.

                The 87-year-old told reporters he would continue his efforts to break the deadlock since inconclusive elections last month that left no group able to form a government...

                ...He said he would ask two small groups of experts to formulate proposals for institutional and social and economic reforms that could be supported by all political parties.

                But he acknowledged that he had limited scope to force the divided parties to find a way out of political situation that he said was "frozen between irreconcilable positions"...

                ...However with all of the three main groups in parliament clinging to entrenched positions that have prevented a majority being formed in parliament, hopes of a solution
                that would prevent the need to go back to the polls have faded...

                ...Napolitano's pledge to stay on appears to rule out the threat of a power vacuum with weeks of uncertainty until new elections, which would have to be called within 70 days of parliament being dissolved.

                He stressed that Prime Minister Mario Monti retained full authority at the head of a caretaker administration until a new government can be formed.
                Whether or not that can happen, parliament will soon have to begin preparations to vote for a new president either to oversee the first steps of a new government or early elections.

                The election of the head of state, by a joint sitting of parliament and representatives from the regions, is likely to cause another bitter fight between the three main blocs which have become increasingly hostile to each other since the election...


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