Polar Ice: Crushed or Cubed

[Chris Coles]

Re: Data vs more extreme weather & sea level

Straight off the next email I open today:

Storms bring chaos to South West and Midlands as Met Office forecasts more wild weather

Rivers and canals broke their banks, while gusts of up to 70mph tore down power lines and ripped branches from trees

[Polish_Silver]

Re: Data vs more extreme weather & sea level

As for the document, this was Christy talking his book. Nothing wrong with that, everyone needs funding but this is not serious science.

What aspects were "not serious science" ?

[Polish_Silver]

Re: Data vs more extreme weather & sea level

Chris,

Are you saying that warmer weather is causing more rain fall in england?

Was this also the case during the medieval warm period? Probably no data. Would tree rings show that?

[Chris Coles]

Re: Data vs more extreme weather & sea level

Chris,

Are you saying that warmer weather is causing more rain fall in england?

Was this also the case during the medieval warm period? Probably no data. Would tree rings show that?

The answer to the first question is definitely Yes! Much more rain.

The second question, I cannot answer; but tree rings might.

[santafe2]

Re: Data vs more extreme weather & sea level

What aspects were "not serious science" ?

All of it. He was making a persuasive argument from his point of view to gain funding. As I said, nothing wrong with that but we shouldn't confuse rhetoric for science.

[Polish_Silver]

what is science?

All of it. He was making a persuasive argument from his point of view to gain funding. As I said, nothing wrong with that but we shouldn't confuse rhetoric for science.

Isn't science testing theory against observations?

Theory: climate change is causing more extreme weather.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/...cientists.html

Data: Droughts, floods, etc are not increasing, according to Christy and Maue.

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.c...0-def3ec74913d

http://policlimate.com/tropical/

[Chris Coles]

Re: what is science?

Isn't science testing theory against observations?

Theory: climate change is causing more extreme weather.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/...cientists.html

Data: Droughts, floods, etc are not increasing, according to Christy and Maue.

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.c...0-def3ec74913d

http://policlimate.com/tropical/

In the United States, reports of abnormally warm temperatures have been the norm in 2012. Average temperatures in the contiguous United States (the “lower 48”) were 51.1°F (10.6°C) in March and 77.6°F (25.3°C) in July. Both months were so warm that they broke all-time records
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOT...3&src=eoa-iotd

[Polish_Silver]

Re: what is science?

In the United States, reports of abnormally warm temperatures have been the norm in 2012. Average temperatures in the contiguous United States (the “lower 48”) were 51.1°F (10.6°C) in March and 77.6°F (25.3°C) in July. Both months were so warm that they broke all-time records
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOT...3&src=eoa-iotd

But it's not clear that we have a trend towards "more extreme weather" in terms of floods, droughts, hurricanes, which is what was alleged.