FBI and email privacy

[cjppjc]

I have no idea about the legality. I have seen a few stories, and the word warrant is never used.

So a complaint is made, and because the person who made the compliant is associated with General Petraeus, the FBI has carte blanche to do as they wish with whatever they turn up? I'm betting had the FBI not discovered the affair, Petraeus would not have resigned. On a more ironic note, Petraeus has made some scathing remarks regarding members of the military who conduct themselves in the manner he apparently did.




http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/...ry?id=17689348


A disturbing email sent to a woman associated with Gen. David Petraeus spurred an FBI investigation that ultimately traced the message back to the inbox of Petraeus' biographer, Paula Broadwell, where authorities discovered intimate emails she had exchanged with the CIA director, who has since resigned.

Sources familiar with the investigation tell ABC News that Petraeus and Broadwell were carrying on an affair.

The FBI stumbled across the affair after the unnamed woman, who received the troubling email several months ago, alerted authorities, who began a probe to track the source of the message.

The suspicious email was traced to the inbox of Broadwell, where investigators were said to have found emails indicating a romantic or sexual relationship between the married biographer and Petraeus, who has been married to his wife, Holly, for 37 years.

[don]

Re: FBI and email privacy

Spitzer Redux

FBI and email privacy


Oxymoron

[doom&gloom]

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Always remember, the ends justify the means nowadays...

[lakedaemonian]

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Actually, I think people are forgetting some things, such as:

1.) The Director of Central Intelligence is neither immune from attempts at coercision from foreign intelligence nor immune from counter-intelligence investigation.

2.) The FBI is the senior agency responsible for national counter intelligence.


I have some very serious concerns about:

1.)DCI resignation(His people killed(not including Ambassador), so primary responsibility for response)
2.)Head of AFRICOM relieved of command(Libya falls under AFRICOM's Area of Responsibility)
3.)Head of Carrier Strike Group in the region relieved of command(MAY have been within range of launch to assist, MAY)

All in the possible direct/indirect relationship to Benghazi Affair.

AFRICOM command would have an in extremis force under its command

A Carrier Strike Group would have an in extremis force under its command

The DCI would have organic as well as partnered regional assets and resources under its command or influence/control

Did the DCI do something naughty that was a security risk to the nation due to the ability for such behavior to be exploited by foreign intelligence? Yup.

Did the head of AFRICOM maybe do something naughty with billing some personal travel expenses to the military? Yup.

I haven't got a clue on the CSG commander yet......

But have many done far worse in Washington and in the military and gotten away without a scratch? Absolutely........

Something stinks.....this is a pretty interesting cluster of people and events that orbit around Benghazi both directly and indirectly.

The FBI reading the DCI's email is a complete non-issue.....it goes with the territory of the job....counterintelligence efforts of the FBI go far beyond background checks and include ongoing monitoring.

It's common sense for anyone working in that field and they are all aware of it when they sign on the dotted line.

Just my 0.02c

[don]

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one take on the Benghazi snafu . . .

The Real Story At Benghazi

This brings us to the murder of ambassador Stevens and the sudden resignation of CIA boss David Petraeus.
The Wall Street Journal, Telegraph and other sources confirm that the US consulate in Benghazi was mainly being used for a secret CIA operation.


They say that the State Department presence in Benghazi “provided diplomatic cover” for the previously hidden CIA mission.


Reuters notes that the CIA mission involved finding and repurchasing heavy weaponry looted from Libyan government arsenals.


Business Insider reports that Stevens may have been linked with Syrian terrorists:

There’s growing evidence that U.S. agents—particularly murdered ambassador Chris Stevens—were at least aware of heavy weapons moving from Libya to jihadist Syrian rebels.
In March 2011 Stevens became the official U.S. liaison to the al-Qaeda-linked Libyan opposition, working directly with Abdelhakim Belhadj of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group—a group that has now disbanded, with some fighters reportedly participating in the attack that took Stevens’ life.
In November 2011 The Telegraph reported that Belhadj, acting as head of the Tripoli Military Council, “met with Free Syrian Army [FSA] leaders in Istanbul and on the border with Turkey” in an effort by the new Libyan government to provide money and weapons to the growing insurgency in Syria.
Last month The Times of London reported that a Libyan ship “carrying the largest consignment of weapons for Syria … has docked in Turkey.” The shipment reportedly weighed 400 tons and included SA-7 surface-to-air anti-craft missiles and rocket-propelled grenades.
***
Reuters reports that Syrian rebels have been using those heavy weapons to shoot downSyrian helicopters and fighter jets.


The ship’s captain was ”a Libyan from Benghazi and the head of an organization called the Libyan National Council for Relief and Support,” which was presumably established by the new government.
That means that Ambassador Stevens had only one person—Belhadj—between himself and the Benghazi man who brought heavy weapons to Syria.
Furthermore, we know that jihadists are the best fighters in the Syrian opposition, but where did they come from?


Last week The Telegraph reported that a FSA commander called them “Libyans” when he explained that the FSA doesn’t “want these extremist people here.”


And if the new Libyan government was sending seasoned Islamic fighters and 400 tons of heavy weapons to Syria through a port in southern Turkey—a deal brokered by Stevens’ primary Libyan contact during the Libyan revolution—then the governments of Turkey and the U.S. surely knew about it.


Furthermore there was a CIA post in Benghazi, located 1.2 miles from the U.S. consulate, used as “a base for, among other things, collecting information on the proliferation of weaponry looted from Libyan government arsenals, including surface-to-air missiles” … and that its security features “were more advanced than those at rented villa where Stevens died.”


And we know that the CIA has been funneling weapons to the rebels in southern Turkey. The question is whether the CIA has been involved in handing out the heavy weapons from Libya.

In other words, ambassador Stevens may have been a key player in deploying Libyan terrorists and arms to fight the Syrian government.


Other sources also claim that the U.S. consulate in Benghazi was mainly being used as a CIA operation to ship fighters and arms to Syria.


Many have speculated that – if normal security measures weren’t taken to protect the Benghazi consulate or to rescue ambassador Stevens – it was because the CIA was trying to keep an extremely low profile to protect its cover of being a normal State Department operation.
Why Did CIA Chief David Petraeus Suddenly Resign?

CIA boss David Petraeus suddenly resigned, admitting to an affair. This could be the real explanation, given that affairs of high-level intelligence chiefs could compromise national security.


But the timing of Petraeus’ resignation becomes more interesting once one learns that that he was scheduled to testify under oath next week before power House and Senate committees regarding the Benghazi consulate.
Many speculate that it wasn’t an affair – but the desire to avoid testifying on Benghazi – which was the real reason for Petraeus’ sudden resignation.

[Chomsky]

Re: FBI and email privacy

one take on the Benghazi snafu . . .

The Real Story At Benghazi

This brings us to the murder of ambassador Stevens and the sudden resignation of CIA boss David Petraeus.
The Wall Street Journal, Telegraph and other sources confirm that the US consulate in Benghazi was mainly being used for a secret CIA operation.


They say that the State Department presence in Benghazi “provided diplomatic cover” for the previously hidden CIA mission.


Reuters notes that the CIA mission involved finding and repurchasing heavy weaponry looted from Libyan government arsenals.


Business Insider reports that Stevens may have been linked with Syrian terrorists:

There’s growing evidence that U.S. agents—particularly murdered ambassador Chris Stevens—were at least aware of heavy weapons moving from Libya to jihadist Syrian rebels.
In March 2011 Stevens became the official U.S. liaison to the al-Qaeda-linked Libyan opposition, working directly with Abdelhakim Belhadj of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group—a group that has now disbanded, with some fighters reportedly participating in the attack that took Stevens’ life.
In November 2011 The Telegraph reported that Belhadj, acting as head of the Tripoli Military Council, “met with Free Syrian Army [FSA] leaders in Istanbul and on the border with Turkey” in an effort by the new Libyan government to provide money and weapons to the growing insurgency in Syria.
Last month The Times of London reported that a Libyan ship “carrying the largest consignment of weapons for Syria … has docked in Turkey.” The shipment reportedly weighed 400 tons and included SA-7 surface-to-air anti-craft missiles and rocket-propelled grenades.
***
Reuters reports that Syrian rebels have been using those heavy weapons to shoot downSyrian helicopters and fighter jets.


The ship’s captain was ”a Libyan from Benghazi and the head of an organization called the Libyan National Council for Relief and Support,” which was presumably established by the new government.
That means that Ambassador Stevens had only one person—Belhadj—between himself and the Benghazi man who brought heavy weapons to Syria.
Furthermore, we know that jihadists are the best fighters in the Syrian opposition, but where did they come from?


Last week The Telegraph reported that a FSA commander called them “Libyans” when he explained that the FSA doesn’t “want these extremist people here.”


And if the new Libyan government was sending seasoned Islamic fighters and 400 tons of heavy weapons to Syria through a port in southern Turkey—a deal brokered by Stevens’ primary Libyan contact during the Libyan revolution—then the governments of Turkey and the U.S. surely knew about it.


Furthermore there was a CIA post in Benghazi, located 1.2 miles from the U.S. consulate, used as “a base for, among other things, collecting information on the proliferation of weaponry looted from Libyan government arsenals, including surface-to-air missiles” … and that its security features “were more advanced than those at rented villa where Stevens died.”


And we know that the CIA has been funneling weapons to the rebels in southern Turkey. The question is whether the CIA has been involved in handing out the heavy weapons from Libya.

In other words, ambassador Stevens may have been a key player in deploying Libyan terrorists and arms to fight the Syrian government.


Other sources also claim that the U.S. consulate in Benghazi was mainly being used as a CIA operation to ship fighters and arms to Syria.


Many have speculated that – if normal security measures weren’t taken to protect the Benghazi consulate or to rescue ambassador Stevens – it was because the CIA was trying to keep an extremely low profile to protect its cover of being a normal State Department operation.
Why Did CIA Chief David Petraeus Suddenly Resign?

CIA boss David Petraeus suddenly resigned, admitting to an affair. This could be the real explanation, given that affairs of high-level intelligence chiefs could compromise national security.


But the timing of Petraeus’ resignation becomes more interesting once one learns that that he was scheduled to testify under oath next week before power House and Senate committees regarding the Benghazi consulate.
Many speculate that it wasn’t an affair – but the desire to avoid testifying on Benghazi – which was the real reason for Petraeus’ sudden resignation.

Why couldn't he testify under oath as a civilian?

[don]

Re: FBI and email privacy

Why couldn't he testify under oath as a civilian?

No sizzle?

[flintlock]

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Any chance Assad was behind the attack on Stevens? Payback for helping to arm rebels?

[wayiwalk]

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I guess it is key for all major pols to have a dalliance on the side, just in case they need an excuse to make a swift exit from their appointed or elected position.

[flintlock]

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This is getting good. Something is fishy or at least smells a bit like fish.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1201051

Or do we really have that many screwed up people in positions of authority?

[vinoveri]

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Or do we really have that many screwed up people in positions of authority?

YES

"screwed up" is a relative term; moderately narcissistic near sociopathic types are probably better oriented for gaining authority than the meek, honest, and humble

[don]

Re: FBI and email privacy

one take on the Benghazi snafu . . .

The Real Story At Benghazi

This brings us to the murder of ambassador Stevens and the sudden resignation of CIA boss David Petraeus.
The Wall Street Journal, Telegraph and other sources confirm that the US consulate in Benghazi was mainly being used for a secret CIA operation.


They say that the State Department presence in Benghazi “provided diplomatic cover” for the previously hidden CIA mission.


Reuters notes that the CIA mission involved finding and repurchasing heavy weaponry looted from Libyan government arsenals.


Business Insider reports that Stevens may have been linked with Syrian terrorists:

There’s growing evidence that U.S. agents—particularly murdered ambassador Chris Stevens—were at least aware of heavy weapons moving from Libya to jihadist Syrian rebels.
In March 2011 Stevens became the official U.S. liaison to the al-Qaeda-linked Libyan opposition, working directly with Abdelhakim Belhadj of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group—a group that has now disbanded, with some fighters reportedly participating in the attack that took Stevens’ life.
In November 2011 The Telegraph reported that Belhadj, acting as head of the Tripoli Military Council, “met with Free Syrian Army [FSA] leaders in Istanbul and on the border with Turkey” in an effort by the new Libyan government to provide money and weapons to the growing insurgency in Syria.
Last month The Times of London reported that a Libyan ship “carrying the largest consignment of weapons for Syria … has docked in Turkey.” The shipment reportedly weighed 400 tons and included SA-7 surface-to-air anti-craft missiles and rocket-propelled grenades.
***
Reuters reports that Syrian rebels have been using those heavy weapons to shoot downSyrian helicopters and fighter jets.


The ship’s captain was ”a Libyan from Benghazi and the head of an organization called the Libyan National Council for Relief and Support,” which was presumably established by the new government.
That means that Ambassador Stevens had only one person—Belhadj—between himself and the Benghazi man who brought heavy weapons to Syria.
Furthermore, we know that jihadists are the best fighters in the Syrian opposition, but where did they come from?


Last week The Telegraph reported that a FSA commander called them “Libyans” when he explained that the FSA doesn’t “want these extremist people here.”


And if the new Libyan government was sending seasoned Islamic fighters and 400 tons of heavy weapons to Syria through a port in southern Turkey—a deal brokered by Stevens’ primary Libyan contact during the Libyan revolution—then the governments of Turkey and the U.S. surely knew about it.


Furthermore there was a CIA post in Benghazi, located 1.2 miles from the U.S. consulate, used as “a base for, among other things, collecting information on the proliferation of weaponry looted from Libyan government arsenals, including surface-to-air missiles” … and that its security features “were more advanced than those at rented villa where Stevens died.”


And we know that the CIA has been funneling weapons to the rebels in southern Turkey. The question is whether the CIA has been involved in handing out the heavy weapons from Libya.

In other words, ambassador Stevens may have been a key player in deploying Libyan terrorists and arms to fight the Syrian government.


Other sources also claim that the U.S. consulate in Benghazi was mainly being used as a CIA operation to ship fighters and arms to Syria.


Many have speculated that – if normal security measures weren’t taken to protect the Benghazi consulate or to rescue ambassador Stevens – it was because the CIA was trying to keep an extremely low profile to protect its cover of being a normal State Department operation.
Why Did CIA Chief David Petraeus Suddenly Resign?

CIA boss David Petraeus suddenly resigned, admitting to an affair. This could be the real explanation, given that affairs of high-level intelligence chiefs could compromise national security.


But the timing of Petraeus’ resignation becomes more interesting once one learns that that he was scheduled to testify under oath next week before power House and Senate committees regarding the Benghazi consulate.
Many speculate that it wasn’t an affair – but the desire to avoid testifying on Benghazi – which was the real reason for Petraeus’ sudden resignation.

A rumor making the rounds was Benghazi was a rendition site for the Agency - sure to stir up the locals.

[ken]

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A rumor making the rounds was Benghazi was a rendition site for the Agency - sure to stir up the locals.

Are they looking to find evidence, or hide evidence?

[dcarrigg]

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This is getting good. Something is fishy or at least smells a bit like fish.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1201051

Or do we really have that many screwed up people in positions of authority?

The real story here may be the Khawam family.

Gilberte Khawam (aka Jill Kelley, aka Gigi Khawarm, aka lots of other names), and her identical twin sister Natalie Khawam (both born in Lebanon? but who grew up in Philly) seem to be all over the place. Each is millions in debt. Natalie was married to Grayson Wolfe, used to date FL Rep. Gov. Charlie Christ, and was possibly also recently engaged to Democratic fundraiser Gerald Harrington (who lives in RI and D.C. and through whom she met Senators Kerry and Whitehouse, and from whom she borrowed $300,000). Natalie uses the names of the Senators and letters from Generals Allen and Petraeus to try to keep custody of her child, but the Judge decides she is mentally unstable anyways, because she faked child abuse scandals with her kid, wrote a bunch of insane e-mails, and lied under oath (she's a lawyer, for whistleblowers no less, and presumably should know better).

Meanwhile, Gilberte Khawam, who has no job, but lots of honorary ambassador type titles, is married to Scott Kelley, a Tampa, FL doctor who does surgical oncology (not millions there) is receiving threatening e-mails from Gen. Petraeus' mistress, who isn't home when the FBI comes to raid her NC home for computers and files, but whose license is found in a DC park the same day. Gilberte also exchanges daily e-mails and instant messages with General Petraeus and General Allen over a number of years (and hangs out with Vice Admiral Hayward). She just so happens to have a friend in the FBI, whom she informs about the threatening e-mails, thereby essentially ending Petraeus' career. The FBI agent, who's still unnamed, but who thought it wise to send her topless photos of himself, took her case to Representatives Reichart and Cantor when he thought it wasn't getting sufficient attention. Cantor then goes right to Mueller.

It seems to me that these twins are really in the center of everything, they're putting themselves there on purpose, and they're trying very hard (and going deeply into debt) to cultivate relationships with high-powered men in politics and the military (despite their past and/or present marriages and engagements). They do not (so far) seem so interested in men with substantial wealth, only power. Are they just crazy and into this stuff? Are they spies (pretty socialites with large debts make good targets for conversions)? Was this really Gilberte Khawam's attempt to pull her and her sister out of insane debt by blowing up a media firestorm and using it to make money? Who knows. Either way, we had some Generals making dumb moves.

But it's not a story that lacks for drama. That's for sure.

[Shakespear]

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After watching this video I am starting to be more and more convinced that this is all about Iran. There is an internal battle going on and Petreaus is just one of those smoke signals we get to see to make us aware of it.

I think Ray McGovern has the experience to put together a coherent analysis and here it is,

Petraeus Resignation Reveals Divisions Over Iran

http://www.commondreams.org/video/2012/11/13-1