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  • #46
    Re: Time for Republican Reset?

    I agree that both sides engage in identity politics. My wife saw me checking in on this thread this morning and we discussed it. I told her that the phrase "identity politics" had gotten more use in the last week than I had heard over the past 10 years. Although it is a new term for many it is an old tactic to both political parties.

    It is a very interesting topic to me how the democratic party made a conscious decision to turn away from the labor movement and go toward this philosophy. There was a consensus that the labor movement was independent, a little too powerful, and that the distrust of the largely white male group of some other important initiatives of the democratic party made them expendable. And TBH where else were they going to turn? There have been books, good ones, written about this process. Studies have shown that this group was, sadly, completely correct in their assertion that workplace advances for other groups would come at their expense. The ballot box has shown that the party was completely correct in their guess that most would stick with them as the lesser of two evils.

    In any case the democratic party has, and continues to, engage(d) in identity politics.

    The problem as I see it is that the coalition of republicans who also engage in this method is a shrinking one. For the first time it seems the party has awoken to the fact that this tactic is a losing one given the demographic cards they've been dealt. For them to continue to be a national party they are going to have to move beyond identity politics. And brother that is going to be a tough one for them. The natural path to break out of this cycle would be through economics. But how can you do so when you have so many anti-union stances like the RTW laws, so many anti-US worker/industry stances like globalization and free trade pacts, and so many anti produce/consume economy stances like deregulation at all costs and financialization as a viable basis for the economy?

    In the end, although I can buy into some of the resentment felt toward democratic policy planks, the method espoused in the post above is incorrect. Look, growing up as a lower middle class white hillbilly male I well understand how special treatment of every other ethnic group can grate on you. I completely understand the frustration with policies that just assume that I had a privileged background because my skin is white and my surname is Scottish. I cannot tell you how maddening it was to see people I competed with in college and the workplace get special handling in spite of the fact that many of them had backgrounds that were a hell of a lot softer and easier than anything I experienced as a kid.

    But imVho you can't give in to just throwing out accusations and ill feelings toward everyone who is in a group that may get these benefits and special treatment. There are good people all over the place and they come from all areas and backgrounds. They wrestle with their own baggage and ill feelings as well. It would be a mistake to write everyone but your own little demographic niche off as freeloaders and future despotic rulers.

    That said I do agree that immigration as it is known should have been ended decades ago. I say this mainly based on environmental concerns but also because I feel that giving everyone a break from the stress of such rapidly changing demographics would allow the younger generation to do what younger generations have always done and make such things irrelevant through cultural ties, marriage, and offspring. I don't think it is only whites who retreat into ethnic enclaves and that this is poisonous to the US long term.

    But this is just the opinion of one man.

    Will

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    • #47
      Re: Time for Republican Reset?

      Originally posted by Ghent12 View Post
      I think the drop in participation is more of a return to the normal trend. There were no "majorly historic candidates" this time around. You may see such a large turnout again if a woman is a nominee of either party, but in all reality, 20% of the population decides who is President. So long as the choices are always simply the shiniest of turds, nothing will change that. There will always be more people who can vote but don't than those who vote for the winning candidate. Why are there so few efforts to tap into that vast pool of people? I'm no political scientist, but something is fishy with our present system.
      Sometimes people just need a little motivation.

      http://news.msn.com/politics/woman-r...-voting-police

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      • #48
        Re: Time for Republican Reset?

        Originally posted by Penguin View Post
        The problem as I see it is that the coalition of republicans who also engage in this method is a shrinking one. For the first time it seems the party has awoken to the fact that this tactic is a losing one given the demographic cards they've been dealt. For them to continue to be a national party they are going to have to move beyond identity politics. And brother that is going to be a tough one for them. The natural path to break out of this cycle would be through economics. But how can you do so when you have so many anti-union stances like the RTW laws, so many anti-US worker/industry stances like globalization and free trade pacts, and so many anti produce/consume economy stances like deregulation at all costs and financialization as a viable basis for the economy?
        You can start with some obviously appropriate anti-union stances, like criticism of public sector unions. Beyond that is a bit of a mine field, you're right.

        It is sad that every bit of economics is being pulled in each direction, but that is a battle that Republicans must win if they want to remain relevant. The next four years will probably do a bit to discredit some of the crony Keynesianism, crony capitalism, true Keynesianism, and the rest of "Obamanomics," but then again FDR was re-elected over and over while he perpetuated the Great Depression with his policies. Success and failure of policies is more about message than substance, and it is very unfortunate that there are so many influential vested interests in perpetuating failed policies and there is so little vigilance by the public to maintain the republic.

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        • #49
          Re: Time for Republican Reset?

          Originally posted by flintlock View Post
          I tend to agree.

          But its funny that despite how "enlightened" we think we are today in regards to race relations, they actually seem to be as bad as ever. They just are slathered in the fake icing of political correctness. But beneath the icing the cake is still as rancid as ever. People still vote along racial and cultural lines, and its only when things get tough does the thin veneer disappear and the ugly truth appear. Psst. I have a secret. Minorities are humans too. They have biases and display bigotry just like white folks. To think otherwise is just fooling yourself. Its not until we begin to quit thinking of ourselves first and foremost by race that this will improve. I see it already with my kids generation. My kids have good friends of all races and they actually feel comfortable enough with each other to make jokes about it. They aren't so self conscious about race that they go around with a chip on their shoulders. It just takes some time. Now if only the bastards who profit on racial tension will die off and let things continue to progress.
          You need to be careful here. You could be a candidate for a "re-education" camp. You obviously didn't get the PC Memo: only white people can be racists.
          And surely you know that Jesse and Al are only in it "for the cause".

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