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  • #16
    Bundesbank slashed London gold holdings in mystery move

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/f...tery-move.html

    Bundesbank slashed London gold holdings in mystery move

    Germany withdrew two thirds of its vast holdings of gold from Bank of England vaults shortly after the launch of the euro more than a decade ago, according to a confidential report that emerged on Wednesday.
    Germany has 3,396 tons of gold worth €143bn (£116bn), the world's second-largest holding after the US. Nearly all of it was shifted to vaults abroad during the Cold War in case of a Soviet attack. Photo: ALAMY
    Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

    By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, International business editor

    8:24PM BST 24 Oct 2012

    The revelation came as Germany's budget watchdog demanded an on-site probe of the country's remaining gold reserves in London, Paris, and New York to verify whether the metal really exists.

    The country has 3,396 tons of gold worth €143bn (£116bn), the world's second-largest holding after the US. Nearly all of it was shifted to vaults abroad during the Cold War in case of a Soviet attack.

    Roughly 66pc is held at the New York Federal Reserve, 21pc at the Bank of England, and 8pc at the Bank of France. The German Court of Auditors told legislators in a redacted report that the gold had "never been verified physically" and ordered the Bundesbank to secure access to the storage sites.

    It called for repatriation of 150 tons over the next three years to test the quality and weight of the gold bars. It said Frankfurt has no register of numbered gold bars.

    The report also claimed that the Bundesbank had slashed its holdings in London from 1,440 tons to 500 tons in 2000 and 2001, allegedly because storage costs were too high. The metal was flown to Frankfurt by air freight.

    The revelation has baffled gold veterans. The shift came as the euro was at its weakest, slumping to $0.84 against the dollar. But it also came as the Bank of England was selling off most of Britain's gold reserves – at market lows – on orders from Gordon Brown.

    Peter Hambro, chair of the UK-listed gold miner Petropavlovsk, said the Bundesbank may have withdrawn its bullion in self-protection since it did not, apparently, have its own specifically allocated bars in London. "They may have decided that the Bank of England had lent out too much gold, and decided it was safer to bring theirs home. This is about the identification. Can you identify your own allocated gold, or are you just a general creditor with a metal account?"

    The watchdog report follows claims by the German civic campaign group "Bring Back our Gold" and its US allies in the Gold Anti-Trust Committee that official data cannot be trusted. They allege central banks have loaned out or "sold short" much of their gold.

    The refrain has been picked up by German legislators. "All the gold must come home: it is precisely in this crisis that we need certainty over our gold reserves," said Heinz-Peter Haustein from the Free Democrats (FDP).

    The Bundesbank said it had full trust in the "integrity and independence" of its custodians, and is given detailed accounts each year. Yet it hinted at further steps to secure its reserves. "This could also involve relocating part of the holdings," it said.

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    • #17
      Re: Bundesbank slashed London gold holdings in mystery move

      German gold, now that is an interesting subject. Could some of it be in this photo?

      http://detecting.org.uk/images/111-SC-204517-xl.jpg

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      • #18
        Re: Bundesbank slashed London gold holdings in mystery move

        I assume the Third Reich confiscated every occupied nations gold supply and shipped it home. (has a movie been made of this?) How much was returned?

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        • #19
          Re: Germans nervous about their gold

          Originally posted by aaron View Post
          One ton of gold is worth about $50 million dollars. 400 tons * $50m = $20 billion dollars...

          $20 billion dollars can be magically be used to loan out 10 times that amount. Those that get the loans can buy treasuries on margin. Treasuries are also considered to be money and can be used as collateral.

          So, if the U.S. exports $20 billion in high(est)-powered money, which in turn is used to buy 10-100 times that in treasuries, etc.... Basically, the "real" value of gold is not just the value in U.S. dollars, but the amount it can be used to create money to buy other stuff as well.

          Or, I imagine:

          400 tons leave the U.S. On net, the new gold owners are then able to buy $200 billion to $1 trillion in (mostly) U.S. treasuries.
          Everything is leveraged beyond reason in our hyper-feverish speculation environment - as FIRE consumes the hills, driven by TBTF winds. (don't look now, Willy)

          Gold is no exception in any form outside physical ownership (discounting counterfeit coins and bars).

          Is any country leveraging gold as an integral on-going component of their fiscal economy?

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          • #20
            Re: Germans nervous about their gold

            I haven't read anything about German plundring and confiscation, but I did have a chance to read the following book
            Gold Warriors: America's Secret Recovery of Yamashita's Gold
            http://www.amazon.com/Gold-Warriors-.../dp/1844675319

            The books goes in directions where I can only guess if it is right or pure fiction. However the confication and hiding of the gold stripped from countries invaded by Japan doesn't seem to me to be too far fetched. What happened to the gold after the war is another thing. Did it get back to the rightful owners? I doubt it. Was it all accounted for? I suspect not. Who has it? ????

            The book is a good read.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPE0llGCbTY

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            • #21
              Re: Germans nervous about their gold

              adds a further dimension to 'Germans nervous about their gold' . . . and didn't Greece raise the missing gold question to counter German austerity demands?


              Lars Schall, a German free-lance writer on gold . . .

              So just ask them: Western central banks have enormous secrets about gold

              Wednesday, October 24, 2012

              It's strange what you encounter when you try to take a serious look at the gold policy of central banks and their agents, the bullion banks.

              Some observers, including the Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee (GATA), estimate that Western central banks have on hand nowhere near as much gold as they claim. These observers suspect that much Western central bank gold has been sold or leased largely surreptitiously to restrain the gold price over the last two decades.

              Here is the explanation provided to me in an interview by the Canadian financial analyst and fund manager Marshall Auerback when I asked: Do you think that the Western central banks and the International Monetary Fund really have in their vaults the gold they say they have?

              Marshall Auerback: "In a strict accounting sense they might, but it might be irrelevant. I suspect that the central banks have not been selling much gold over the past few years since the inception of the Washington Agreement on Gold, but I think they have still been leasing considerable amounts into the gold market. From a flow standpoint, it's irrelevant whether the gold is sold or lent, as it still appears as supply in the market.

              "So the key question becomes: Can the leased gold be recovered by the central banks? The work of GATA and others such as Bob Landis and Reg Howe suggests that the gold cannot be recovered. In effect you have a 'prison of the shorts' situation, whereby the gold that has been lent out and melted down to become, say, part of some Indian bride's dowry will not be coming back into the market.

              "Ultimately, I think, the central banks will ratify this in an accounting sense by reclassifying the leased gold as sold, so from a stock standpoint, that will validate GATA's argument that there is far less gold being held by the central banks than is commonly believed." [1]

              Moreover, major news organizations avoid the gold market manipulation issue although it might seem to be a godsend for them -- the Financial Times, The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, Reuters, Bloomberg News, the Associated Press, etc. They seem reluctant to put to central banks any pointed questions about gold.

              On August 13 GATA Secretary/Treasurer Chris Powell published a list of gold-related questions that financial journalists could put to central banks:

              http://www.gata.org/node/11661

              Since I have some experience putting questions to central banks as a freelance writer, I wish that major news organizations with large audiences and great influence would take on that task. A sample of my attempts can be found here:

              copious documentation follows, at: http://www.gata.org/node/11862

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              • #22
                Re: Germans nervous about their gold

                This funnier than hell,
                And now the Dutch are getting nervous about their gold
                From Nederlands Dageblad
                Barneveld, Netherlands
                Wednesday, October 24, 2012

                http://www.nd.nl/artikelen/2012/oktober/24/vraagtekens-burgers-bij-goudv...

                Almost 300 "concerned Netherlands citizens" have joined the German initiative for insight about the gold reserves.

                In a petition the citizens committee demands "full openness on the quantity and storage location of the Netherlands' physical gold, and on the extent and nature of the gold claims."

                In Germany a lot of uneasiness has risen about the quantity, value, and quality of the gold reserves, which have not been audited in many years at various storage locations. Led by the tabloid newspaper Bild, German news media are wondering whether the 3.4-million kilograms of ingots are really there (valued at about E150 billion).

                Under pressure from the German federal audit office, part of the gold stock will be repatriated from the United States to Frankfurt.

                The Netherlands faces similar uneasiness about the position of its gold treasure -- 612,000 kilograms with of a value of about E25 billion. The gold, in part located at De Nederlandse Bank in Amsterdam (about 10 percent), is also located at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, in Ottawa, and London.

                The Netherlands comes tenth on the list of gold reserves. The United States leads with 8.1 million kilograms. Germany comes second.
                http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthre...out-their-gold
                Who's next?

                One comment from the above link
                Its beginning to look like all these countries may own the same gold. Sure is curious why they are all getting so paranoid.

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                • #23
                  Re: Germans nervous about their gold

                  Internationally we're seeing a growing loss of confidence in the integrity of the United States. Thinking ahead, hyperinflations are caused not by monetary policy but loss of confidence.

                  Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Germans nervous about their gold

                    Originally posted by Shakespear View Post
                    Who's next?
                    To me, it looks like a run on the bank in the making.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Germans nervous about their gold

                      Originally posted by shiny! View Post
                      Internationally we're seeing a growing loss of confidence in the integrity of the United States. Thinking ahead, hyperinflations are caused not by monetary policy but loss of confidence.
                      But considering how screwed up all of the world's important currencies, does it really matter? Who cares if, say, Uruguay has a good, backed currency when it is a relative non-player. All of the major players the game, the guys that matter, all have extremely screwed up currencies. Also, the US is still an extremely productive nation with the world's largest military that is magnitudes larger than the next guy. What more confidence could you have?

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                      • #26
                        Re: Germans nervous about their gold

                        Also, the US is still an extremely productive nation with the world's largest military that is magnitudes larger than the next guy. What more confidence could you have?
                        Dammn, I was so worried that there was nothing to be proud of any longer.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Germans nervous about their gold

                          Originally posted by BadJuju View Post
                          But considering how screwed up all of the world's important currencies, does it really matter? Who cares if, say, Uruguay has a good, backed currency when it is a relative non-player. All of the major players the game, the guys that matter, all have extremely screwed up currencies. Also, the US is still an extremely productive nation with the world's largest military that is magnitudes larger than the next guy. What more confidence could you have?
                          I think you misunderstood the point I was trying to make. It's that most economists believe that hyperinflation is impossible in the United States. They believe the U.S. has too much going for it for there to be a loss of confidence significant enough to cause a hyperinflation. But until recently, no one would have believed that countries would start to question if their gold existed, or if it was real and not fake. It was unthinkable except by "crackpots" such as Ron Paul.

                          What's happening is that the integrity of countries that used to be perceived as having impeccable integrity is now being called into question. After WWII, European countries stored their gold in the US and London because we were perceived as being honest caretakers. Now, people are beginning to call for audits because trust in our integrity is breaking down.

                          If the unthinkable can happen over gold, then given time and enough irresponsibility on our government's part it could also happen over the dollar. Loss of confidence in gold storage = demand for audits. Loss of confidence in the value of the dollar = hyperinflation.

                          Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Germans nervous about their gold

                            Originally posted by Shakespear View Post
                            Dammn, I was so worried that there was nothing to be proud of any longer.
                            but wait!
                            what about a justice system that is second to none, when it comes to keeping the wolves at bay???

                            oh... yeah... i see what you mean....

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                            • #29
                              Re: Germans nervous about their gold

                              Yes, Red Riding Hood was fooled by that bad bad Wolf.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Germans nervous about their gold

                                Gerald Celente on Germany's Gold: http://www.kingworldnews.com/kingwor...d_Celente.html



                                James Turk on Germany's Gold: “The entire German gold hoard was gone because it had been leased into the marketplace. Meaning, the vaults holding German gold were emptied by 2001 because of the Bundesbank leasing activities.”

                                Turk added, “Half of the gold they (the Germans) leased themselves. The other half of Germany’s gold hoard was eventually leased into the market as well through complicated swaps with the US. But the reality is that as of 2001, all of that German gold was gone. Meaning all German gold worldwide, which was supposed to be stored in vaults, the vaults were emptied of German gold and the gold was leased into the market.”

                                Turk went on to say, “It’s uncertain if any of that leased gold has ever been returned to those vaults. Meaning, the vaults which are supposed to be storing the German gold hoard may still be empty.”

                                Incredibly, 11 years ago James Turk had diagnosed the problems of the missing German gold hoard.

                                http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldne...d_Is_Gone.html

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