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    There is an interesting dynamic unfolding in the housing market. Real estate agents in places like California are arguing that there is a lack of inventory and are also generally against the government unloading blocks of properties to big investors. Why? There has been bulk selling and buying to the investor class and a large amount of crowding out has occurred. This brings about an interesting set of problems for your average buyer in the current market. They are competing with swaths of big investors but also local flippers trying to make a quick buck once again courtesy of low interest rates and another mania in some markets.

    SoCal is now in a mania again as you will see with some of the patterns occurring. This is also happening in many other states as well. A new feudal system has emerged. The banks were bailed out by the Fed, were allowed to circumvent accounting standards, and now deep pocket investors in the financial class are buying up these places either to increase prices on flips or to hike up rents. In the end, if you want to compete in today’s market you need to bow down to the Fed, put on a football helmet and go head-to-head with big investors, flippers, suckers, and take on a massive mortgage.

    Seeking out your own fiefdom

    The Los Angeles Times highlighted the declining inventory for entry level homes with a stunning graphic:

    “(LA Times) Rogers said he has gone into escrow twice and lost out both times, as other buyers have been willing to pay more. He has been shocked by competing investors paying $75,000 to $100,000 more than what he has estimated some homes to be worth.
    The big speculators have pooled all their money; they invest and they bid them up,” he said. “It’s crazy. Some of them, they pay pretty close to what it’s actually probably worth fixed up, but then by the time they put money into it, they are going to be $50,000 to $60,000 over.”



    First some analysis of the chart. The drop in inventory in various metro areas is stunning. Keep in mind the demographics of your entry buyer. They are younger Americans that are less affluent and very likely to be in student debt already. Many markets in California are being crowded out from top-tier San Francisco to places like Fresno. It is worse for places like Phoenix Arizona where a whopping 40 percent of all purchases were done with all cash. The chase for yield has caused prices to surge in an area that is economically depressed and carries lower household wages:


    Source: DataQuick

    The median price in Phoenix is up over 30 percent year over year. You read correctly, the year over year median price is up by 30 percent. Did incomes go up by this much? Of course not. For years you have nearly half of all properties being bought in this market going to investors. Rent prices have surged while banks leisurely leak out inventory while shelling out the best deals to other financial institutions with deep wallets. In other words all the bailouts were to create another bubble and crowd out the typical buyer and also, squeeze the wallets of many renters who probably are not able to buy.

    Going back to the paragraphs above, the fact that investors are bidding prices up by $75,000 to $100,000 over market valuations in this current economy is very reminiscent to a mania. If you view the world through the lens of a hammer everything looks like a nail. These bulk investors are diving in head first here and entry level buyers are competing against large funds. This bubble is different. During the early 2000s you were basically competing against anyone with a pulse. Today you are competing with big pocket investors, hedge funds, flippers, and large real estate investment funds.

    Hot money will go to many areas. For example, the Canadian housing bubble is seeing a good portion of money leaking out into the Florida market:



    Nearly 75 percent of foreign buyers in Miami come from Canada. I wish we had figures like this for California but I would venture to guess that most of the foreign money coming in is from China (that is experiencing a housing bubble even bigger than the one we lived through).

    All this action has made it tougher for first time home buyers who need to over-bid or take on massive loans with the sticker price of low interest rates. You would think that first time buying would be high but it is not:


    Source: NAR

    The Federal Reserve is largely helping big financial institutions with QE3. Those that own and can refinance lower save some bucks but this is merely an afterthought of the Fed action. Big money is being made by the banking system right now. You saw this week Wells Fargo announced stellar profits even in the midst of being sued for their FHA insured loan practices. What is Wells Fargo being accused of?


    “(SF Gate) Yet another major bank has engaged in a long-standing and reckless trifecta of deficient training, deficient underwriting and deficient disclosure, all while relying on the convenient backstop of government insurance,” said Preet Bharara, U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York, where the suit was filed.”


    Why in the world would the Fed and government setup programs to bulk sell to investors when there is a clear demand from buyers? We’ve already noted the amount of flippers entering the Southern California market. Las Vegas is seeing an increase in flipping activity as well:



    Just because money is cheap does not mean it is going to boost the economy. Take a look at Japan and their multi-decade policy of quantitative easing. We are juicing markets up in many areas and conditioning the overall economy to negative interest rates. The crowding out is creating a new kind of landlord:


    “Renting out foreclosed homes has increasingly emerged as an investment opportunity for Wall Street.
    Financiers are busily studying ways to take the single-family home rental business, for years mostly a mom-and-pop affair, and make it a bigger industry. That has made it difficult for first-time shoppers to compete.”


    So now you have to compete with Wall Street that receives favorable treatment from the government and Fed just to purchase an entry level home. This is becoming a closed loop system. The same financiers that made billions upon billions of dollars shelling out fraudulent loans and toxic waste are now gaining favorable treatment in locking up blocks of properties to jack up prices. The California median price is up 12.9 percent year over year while incomes remain stagnant. In Phoenix it is up a stunning 30 percent. Las Vegas? Up 18 percent year over year. These gains are on par with the peak years of the bubble. This mania is being caused by stringent control on distressed inventory and absurdly low rates courtesy of a Fed with a nearly $3 trillion balance sheet that is set to grow with QE3.

    One of the quotes in the above article sums it up:


    “Don’t sell to regular people — just sell to us,” Monks said these investors have told him.”


    Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

    http://www.doctorhousingbubble.com/f...ing-wars-2012/

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    Re: Recovering Real Estate: Another Virtuous Circle?

    Thanks for this article. The only inaccurate statement that i could find in flippers entering Southern California market. This has been going on since 2009 and I almost pariticipated with a realtor friend until he discovered no matter how much research you do on a prospective house, there is someone else who either has the inside track on information or more funding.

    We are seeing low inventory where I live in southern Orange County. But prices are still down 30 percent from boom high. I think Eric last piece was an excellent write up on housing where he shows dont expect boom prices again until 2030 because of factors above like increase in employment and income.

    On the investor side where else is someone who has millions to deploy going to place their dollars. Most if not all asset classes are overbought.

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      Re: Recovering Real Estate: Another Virtuous Circle?

      Originally posted by jpetr48 View Post
      Thanks for this article. The only inaccurate statement that i could find in flippers entering Southern California market. This has been going on since 2009 and I almost pariticipated with a realtor friend until he discovered no matter how much research you do on a prospective house, there is someone else who either has the inside track on information or more funding.

      We are seeing low inventory where I live in southern Orange County. But prices are still down 30 percent from boom high. I think Eric last piece was an excellent write up on housing where he shows dont expect boom prices again until 2030 because of factors above like increase in employment and income.

      On the investor side where else is someone who has millions to deploy going to place their dollars. Most if not all asset classes are overbought.

      I won't be so sure. Investment gold has no value, but people still buy gold. The Chinese buy apartments and keep them empty. Recently, even as Chinese exports and stock markets plunged, real estate has started to rise again.

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        Re: Recovering Real Estate: Another Virtuous Circle?

        Agreed on gold. I was referring to the investment herd not us here at itulip. I would not buy a home now for investment purpose and might even hesitate if it was our primary residence. With fixed mortgage rates as low as 3.5 percent those sitting on sidelines are now in market. However once these rates go higher with bond crisis, percent affordability will decrease and so will house prices.

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        • #5
          Re: Recovering Real Estate: Another Virtuous Circle?

          We all expect the real value of houses to fall further, but what happens when you throw inflation in the mix? What do house prices do in nominal terms because that makes all the difference with regard to whether you are underwater on your mortgage.

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          • #6
            Re: Recovering Real Estate: Another Virtuous Circle?

            do you think nominal prices > prices caused by inflation? i dont know like i said above once interest rates increase, then supply> demand and prices will fall especially as fewer people can afford a mortgage. i remember living in the San Francisco Bay area (pleasanton) between 1988-2000. Affordability was typically restricted to 10% of the population. Higher interest rates will amplify the difficulty in getting a mortgage. So yes inflation is a factor however there are significant opposing factors.

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            • #7
              Re: Recovering Real Estate: Another Virtuous Circle?

              I think this just adds to the churn, but I have a buddy who's a realtor in San Diego. Here's a quote from his latest email (which to me seems totally insane, since he has it both ways): As a whole, we are starting to see some positive signs that the housing market is starting to recover. We believe that the low inventory (homes for sale) levels will continue into 2013 as many home owners are still underwater. If you are thinking about selling, now is a great time as there is less competition for you. If you are thinking about buying, now is a great time to take advantage of historically low interest rates.

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              • #8
                Re: Recovering Real Estate: Another Virtuous Circle?

                According to a Realtor, it is always a good time to buy a house.

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                  Re: Recovering Real Estate: Another Virtuous Circle?

                  Originally posted by jpetr48 View Post
                  Agreed on gold. I was referring to the investment herd not us here at itulip. I would not buy a home now for investment purpose and might even hesitate if it was our primary residence. With fixed mortgage rates as low as 3.5 percent those sitting on sidelines are now in market. However once these rates go higher with bond crisis, percent affordability will decrease and so will house prices.

                  What if mortgage rates fall to 1%

                  Do you know the mortgage rate in Singapore is 1%?

                  http://sg.news.yahoo.com/singapores-...0--sector.html

                  Singapore's mortgage rates are lowest in Asia

                  By Romesh Navaratnarajah: Home buyers in Singapore are taking advantage of mortgage rates that are at an all-time low despite record-high housing prices, said a Bloomberg report. For instance, Shivram Anantharaman, a private banker at ICICI Bank Ltd, used to pay a monthly rent of S$2,650 until March. Now, he's paying just S$2,610 per month for the mortgage of the three-bedroom condo he bought.
                  "The clincher in Singapore is that monthly installments toward repayment of your loan are lower than what you would pay in rent," said Anantharaman, who took out a S$1.04 million loan for his S$1.3 million property.


                  "It's one of the few countries in the world where that is possible," because of low interest rates, stated Anantharaman.
                  Housing affordability has climbed to its highest level in a decade due to flexible payment options offered to buyers and historically low interest rates, according to Jefferies Group Inc.


                  Maybank Kim Eng said average mortgage rates are 70 basis points above the Singapore Interbank Offered Rate (Sibor).
                  Data compiled by Bloomberg shows that the three-month Sibor is less than 0.4 percent compared to its peak of 3.56 percent in 2006.
                  The interest rate of Anantharaman's 40-year mortgage is 55 basis points over Sibor, which translates to a home loan rate of less than one percent.
                  Sanjay Sain, an analyst at Credit Suisse Group AG, said Singapore's mortgage rates are the lowest in the region, followed by Hong Kong. Meanwhile, Barclays Plc. noted that the average mortgage rate in Hong Kong is around 2.15 percent while China stands at 7.43 percent.

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                    Re: Recovering Real Estate: Another Virtuous Circle?

                    Originally posted by touchring View Post
                    What if mortgage rates fall to 1%

                    Do you know the mortgage rate in Singapore is 1%?

                    http://sg.news.yahoo.com/singapores-...0--sector.html
                    No I did not know rate was at 1%. I do not know Singapore market well but if I looked at my home as both a financial asset and place I call home, then no I still would not bite. When the Dow to gold ratio goes to 2:1 or below I will reallocate from gold to stocks and then buy more stocks with 30 percent cash. If I deployed that cash into real estate I'm stuck with less than ideal liquidity and a declining asset once this housing bubble finally busts. Just following asset allocation, Eric and other data for long term trend.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Recovering Real Estate: Another Virtuous Circle?

                      Originally posted by aaron View Post
                      According to a Realtor, it is always a good time to buy a house.
                      and to sell one . . .

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                        Re: Recovering Real Estate: Another Virtuous Circle?

                        Originally posted by aaron View Post
                        According to a Realtor, it is always a good time to buy a house.
                        True. And its no wonder RE agents dont like the large investors moving in. They dont need the agents so no comissions.

                        As for rich investors moving in affecting prices, I know in Atlanta they are, but they usually buy at deep dicounts on distressed properties, with an eye towards renting these out a la slumlord. Not sure the average home buyer is really competing for the same house. A lot of these seem to be homes left over from the easy credit days where people who had no business owning a home were encouraged to get in over their heads. Perhaps its better to have someone with deep pockets renting these out. At least they can maintain them, at least in theory. Of course they hope to make money on the appreciation some day, but the rents here are sufficient to turn a profit at some of the prices I'm seeing.

                        I ran into a friend the other day who was lamenting her inability to buy a HUD home because of the stiff competition. She sold her house and was now getting desperate to buy. Talking $65-75k homes here. She kept getting outbid. She couldnt see that homes drastically under true market wont be easy to find. It just defies normal market behavior. People tend to cling to anecdoctal memories of cheap homes, but tend to forget all the particulars that made them so cheap. Some were stripped,surrounded by foreclosures, in need of expensive repairs. Things are getting better, but the average Joe had better be cautious about investing in RE again unless he is ready to be patient and willing to play landlord. The transaction costs alone can make flipping some homes unviable in the short term. We need to be cautious about taking a few stories and declaring them another bandwagon to jump on.

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                          Re: Recovering Real Estate: Another Virtuous Circle?

                          Originally posted by flintlock View Post
                          True. And its no wonder RE agents dont like the large investors moving in. They dont need the agents so no comissions.

                          As for rich investors moving in affecting prices, I know in Atlanta they are, but they usually buy at deep dicounts on distressed properties, with an eye towards renting these out a la slumlord. Not sure the average home buyer is really competing for the same house. A lot of these seem to be homes left over from the easy credit days where people who had no business owning a home were encouraged to get in over their heads. Perhaps its better to have someone with deep pockets renting these out. At least they can maintain them, at least in theory. Of course they hope to make money on the appreciation some day, but the rents here are sufficient to turn a profit at some of the prices I'm seeing.

                          I ran into a friend the other day who was lamenting her inability to buy a HUD home because of the stiff competition. She sold her house and was now getting desperate to buy. Talking $65-75k homes here. She kept getting outbid. She couldnt see that homes drastically under true market wont be easy to find. It just defies normal market behavior. People tend to cling to anecdoctal memories of cheap homes, but tend to forget all the particulars that made them so cheap. Some were stripped,surrounded by foreclosures, in need of expensive repairs. Things are getting better, but the average Joe had better be cautious about investing in RE again unless he is ready to be patient and willing to play landlord. The transaction costs alone can make flipping some homes unviable in the short term. We need to be cautious about taking a few stories and declaring them another bandwagon to jump on.
                          My brother and his wife are about to close on a house in the DC (Alexandria) area. They were frequently outbid and in the end paid *more* than list price.

                          The Washington Post had an article yesterday on how house-flipping has come back in the DC area. Not quite the buy, hold, sell frenzy of the bubble, but more buy, improve, sell.

                          The DC housing market (inside the Beltway and a few outliers) never fell back from the bubble. You'd never know there was a major recession here except for a *very* brief period end 2008-2009.

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                          • #14
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                            They were frequently outbid and in the end paid *more* than list price.
                            I'm pretty sure straw man bidding was on a previous RE post. Often it's a friend of the realtor.

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                            • #15
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                              Originally posted by don View Post
                              I'm pretty sure straw man bidding was on a previous RE post. Often it's a friend of the realtor.
                              No. You don't get outbid on three consecutive bids by strawman bidding.

                              Also, I keep reasonably good track of house prices in my own local area -- they too are closing at or above list for many of the houses.

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