France to ration Engery

[Mega]

http://www.linternaute.com/argent/im...che-1012.shtml

From what i can tell the French goverment is going to give everyone a limt on how much gas/petrol/power it can have. Any use above the limt means much higher costs...........can't wait for the French people to react to this if they try it........
Mike

[FrankL]

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http://www.linternaute.com/argent/im...che-1012.shtml

From what i can tell the French goverment is going to give everyone a limt on how much gas/petrol/power it can have. Any use above the limt means much higher costs...........can't wait for the French people to react to this if they try it........
Mike

This is the biggest load of bollocks I've seen from governments in a long time. It's crazy to set consumption standards for domestic energy usage. It's only a tiny part of your lifestyle; the goods you consume, and the amount of driving, flying and other forms of transport make a much biggest impact on your total energy footprint.

I guess you'll see massive popular protests if they try to implement this. And it's political suicide too...

So the resultant question is: why are they trying to impose a light form of domestic energy rationing? Do they know something we don't?

[gwynedd1]

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Printing currency does help stem energy prices. We just didn't do it enough in the 70s.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-Yhq6NUdQg

[leegs]

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Printing currency does help stem energy prices. We just didn't do it enough in the 70s.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-Yhq6NUdQg

I would think that printing currency would increase energy prices, due to the devaluation of the currency resulting from the printing.

[llanlad2]

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This is the biggest load of bollocks I've seen from governments in a long time. It's crazy to set consumption standards for domestic energy usage. It's only a tiny part of your lifestyle; the goods you consume, and the amount of driving, flying and other forms of transport make a much biggest impact on your total energy footprint.

I guess you'll see massive popular protests if they try to implement this. And it's political suicide too...

So the resultant question is: why are they trying to impose a light form of domestic energy rationing? Do they know something we don't?

You won't see any protests over it. (It's France not the US remember!).It's a way of encouraging energy saving. And there are massive savings to be made in this area where money literally leaks out of your house.

The law will be based on your annual council tax return, you will need to declare the number of people living in the house, their age and the type of fuel used. Each individual will be given an allowance which will be totalled for the whole house/flat and the bill then calculated on this basis. Older people will get a bigger allowance and the country will be divided into a number of regions based on the climate.

The idea is to encourage people to insulate their buildings (or landlords as people will shun badly maintained buildings) and that small families living in large houses will pay more. Air conditioning users will be particularly hard hit as they tend to be in warmer areas which will have smaller overall energy allowances.

Some people could see energy bills double, others may get a reduction of 30%.

[BadJuju]

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Some people could see energy bills double, others may get a reduction of 30%.

I would actually love to see a system that penalizes high energy consumption while rewarding low consumption.

[photon555]

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Now how many older (even "historical"), less energy efficient buildings that would be cost prohibitive to retrofit with effective insulation will be destroyed by an "accidental" fire? As usual anyone with half a brain will game the system; maybe they will suddenly acquire several new relatives that "live" in their house, thus lowering their energy bill. Buying a few belongings for their virtual new housemates to prove their occupancy will be a lot cheaper than actually insulating the house. On the plus side, grandma will never die; her energy offset is just too valuable to bury with her!

[photon555]

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I expect to see a tribe of "energy gypsies" to arise. They would travel a circuit, staying just long enough in each of their "client's" houses so the owner could claim their energy allowance. Just think of all the new jobs this law will create; arsonists, energy gypsies, house guests who charge for the presence of their warm bodies, and of course, all the new bureaucrats to count occupants and calculate winners and losers. Maybe we can sell off some of our homeless for bordeaux and brie. They would get a cot and a hot, and the Frenchman gets an extra allowance. Everybody's a winner! Let no one ask, "Why not just create more energy?" lest they be sent to the house of the politically incorrect. Who says politicians can't repeal the laws of Thermodynamics?

[gwynedd1]

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I would think that printing currency would increase energy prices, due to the devaluation of the currency resulting from the printing.

Not Confederate currency.

[mooncliff]

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Don't most places have three-tier electricity pricing?
I am rounding below. In Japan
the first 100 kwh is 20 cents
the second 100 kwh is 25 cents, and
everything above that is 35 cents

Even after the recent electricity rate increases... gotta pay for Fukushima and all that fossil fuel being burned... since my usage in nonheating non cooling seasons is 150 kWh, I never get near third tier pricing. After converting to LEDs and replacing refrigerator, TV, and air conditioner, my electricity use fell by more than half. We just had the hottest summer on record, and the cost to air condition 600 square feet to 20 degrees C was $1 a day at our horrendous electricity rate.

[BadJuju]

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Don't most places have three-tier electricity pricing?
I am rounding below. In Japan
the first 100 kwh is 20 cents
the second 100 kwh is 25 cents, and
everything above that is 35 cents

Not around here, at least. There should be, though.

[Thailandnotes]

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Many states required tiered rates. Most utility companies have experimented with them. Often there is "summer" tier and a "winter" tier. Electric cars complicate residential rates...

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/4490...ether-or-else/

[shiny!]

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After converting to LEDs and replacing refrigerator, TV, and air conditioner, my electricity use fell by more than half. We just had the hottest summer on record, and the cost to air condition 600 square feet to 20 degrees C was $1 a day at our horrendous electricity rate.

mooncliff:

What is a "hot summer" in Japan? What are your outside temperatures on hot days?

[mooncliff]

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Mid-July to mid-September are usually miserable. Highs during the day in high 80s to low 90s F, sometimes upper 90s, 90% humidity, no wind.
So, the air conditioner was reducing the indoor temperature by 20 degrees F to 70 F, and also removing about 5 gallons of water per day from the air inside. I have a big plastic garbage can that I collect the water from the air conditioner in, and it is just amazing how much water it condenses. I use the water to water the plants.
So to do that in the US at an electricity rate of 11 cents would have cost less than 50 cents per day, so the whole bill for two months of cooling would be $30.

This is the air conditioner I have.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCoZp1TsJRM

I didnt even use any of the energy saving features. I just set it at 70 degrees and left it on like that. I think if I turned on all the energy saving features, it would have dropped electricity use by another 30% or so.

[llanlad2]

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In the UK it's backwards.
25p for first 250kwHh and 12p thereafter.