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    Chris Hedges on 'Empire of Illusion' and a Vignette of The Fall of Berlin 1945

    I came across a nice, compact interview with Chris Hedges which illuminates his thesis of the decline of the American Empire and the illusions and the end of rational thinking that accompanies it. Empires seem to give off quite a bit of flash in their latter stages, rather like the last gasp of a dying star.

    The interviewer does a particularly nice job of drawing Hedges out.

    I would like to add an observation I made in thinking further this afternoon about the Sophie Scholl piece I put up earlier this morning. There is something about gardening that focuses the mind.

    The almost frenetic preoccupation and adherence to the Nazi ideology in the latter stages of the war, when it was obvious to any rational observer that they could not win, is remarkable. I had been particularly struck in my reading some time ago with the 'wolf packs' of Nazis who had raged through Berlin, rounding up old men and even boys who had not joined the Volkssturm, and hanging them, even while the Russians were shelling the Reichstag. It never made sense to me until today.
    "The radio announced that Hitler had come out of his safe bomb-proof bunker to talk with the fourteen to sixteen year old boys who had 'volunteered' for the 'honor' to be accepted into the SS and to die for their Fuhrer in the defense of Berlin. What a cruel lie! These boys did not volunteer, but had no choice, because boys who were found hiding were hanged as traitors by the SS as a warning that, 'he who was not brave enough to fight had to die.'

    When trees were not available, people were strung up on lamp posts. They were hanging everywhere, military and civilian, men and women, ordinary citizens who had been executed by a small group of fanatics. It appeared that the Nazis did not want the people to survive because a lost war, by their rationale, was obviously the fault of all of us. We had not sacrificed enough and therefore, we had forfeited our right to live, as only the government was without guilt."

    Dorothea von Schwanenfluegel, Eyewitness account, Fall of Berlin 1945
    I was reminded of this phenomenon by the trial of Sophie Scholl, and her words to the judge Roland Freisler, as he ranted his virulent condemnations at them. 'Soon you will be in our place,' she said to him. He did escape the hangman's noose at Nuremburg, but only by virtue of an Allied bomb in 1945. When his body was brought to hospital an orderly remarked, 'It was God's verdict.' He was buried in an unmarked grave, without ceremony and unmourned. Much like his beloved Fuhrer.

    This is an almost perfect illustration of the credibility trap. One cannot allow the illusion to falter, even a little, to the bitter end. And as the fraud fades, the force intensifies, becoming almost rabid. Because that illusion has become the center of a hollowed person's being, their raison d'être, and mythological justification.

    If the ideology had been a lie, then they are not heroes and gods on earth, but monsters and criminals, and their life has been meaningless, without credibility and honor.

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    Thank you, Don. I used to check Jesse's site frequently, but I haven't visited for awhile. This is a great, pithy post, and the video is well worth watching. I haven't read Hedges book, but this prompted me to request it from the local library.

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      Thanks, Don.

      The Truth shall set you free. But first it will make you miserable.

      Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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        'tulipers are head and shoulders above . . .

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          Great post, don.

          Hedges seems to have found a unifying thread that connects a wide range of symptoms of decline, and while I haven't read his book (yet, this interview put it on my list) he seems to have supported it pretty well.

          Does anyone know what Hedges suggests by way of solutions to the illusory thinking he points out? Or is he suggesting that an awakening can only come through the catharsis of a societal collapse? I won't mind having the book's ending spoiled for me; the interview leaves one in a somber state indeed.
          Last edited by astonas; August 27, 2012, 12:39 PM. Reason: Formatting

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            Thanks for the post, I'll watch the video when I get home from work... The title of your post reminded me of stuff I've read from a blogger who calls himself the "Archdruid" of North America (apparently, a seriously practicing druid). He likes to quote a certain type of economist who asserts that "geology doesn't create petroleum, capital investment creates petroleum". And then the Druid will say, people who actually believe in magic would be insulted if you called that "magical thinking". He proposes to call the belief that you can get something for nothing just by wishing hard enough -- "Economic Thinking".

            It may seem like a left-field recommendation to get economics and current event analysis from a Druid, but what he brings to the table is a very-long-term mode of thinking, and a scrupulous analysis of history and past sociology. He's moving into the home stretch of a very long series of blog columns about the origins, nature and fate of the American Empire, and his conclusion is a lot the same as Chris Hedges only without the acerbic politicization you often read from Hedges. (I like Hedges just fine, I'm just saying, the Archdruid is rather less incendiary.) The Druid judges it inevitable that American society will necessarily fall back down to a less complex, less affluent, and less energy-intensive mode. Nobody can predict the date, nobody can say for sure if that will happen by means of some demagogue and a revolution -- or a conscious awakening among the broader population as the financial system continues to crash and shut out the 99% -- or whatever. There will be a lot of bumps and disturbances and false starts before we settle back into stability at this lower level (a process the Druid calls "catabolic collapse"). All we can say is that this less complex, less affluent level of society is the only thing that will stand the test of time; our current system is just not sustainable, so we either settle to a lower level or else perish completely as a culture. Whatever route we take to get there, that's where we're ending up, probably through a prolonged and piecemeal route over a matter of decades.

            I recommend you start here, with the beginning of his analysis from February: http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.c...of-empire.html
            ...and hit "Newer Post" for awhile until you catch up.

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              Originally posted by necron99 View Post
              I recommend you start here, with the beginning of his analysis from February: http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.c...of-empire.html
              ...and hit "Newer Post" for awhile until you catch up.
              The Arch-Druid blog is quite good, so I recommend it. I do not necessarily agree with all the things he says, but he makes a lot of good points. And he does it without some of the obvious religious spin that Hedges does.

              ps: For the Emperor!

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                Thanks, BadJuju, I feel about the same -- you can't take everything the Druid says as "gospel" (not that he'd want you to), but the Druid is very good at pointing out wishful thinking, historical precedent, and reality's inconvenient details that everybody wants to ignore but will come back to bite you in the @$$ if you do.

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                  Kind of in a similar vein, this doc was streaming on Netflix and I watched it this weekend:



                  It is about a group of now adults who grew up under communism, and how they adjusted (or didn't) to life in post-Soviet Russia. Watching it, I couldn't help but think about the interview with Hedges and the similarities between the "magical thinking" of the collapsing USSR and the collapsing USA...

                  (Looks like the full movie is on Youtube, too, if you don't have Netflix.)

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                    I love the word magic. I posted this a few years ago. As Don would say "It dovetails nicely."




                    "Have you ever seen a scientific illustration of the nerve entering a muscle in the human body? That is the exact analogy of what I am speaking about. The nerve transmits a psychic energy which is transformend by the muscle into mechanical energy. We see the result for what they are- patterns of material mechanism. What we do not see is that the law of descent is at work, from the psychic to the material. That is what is called biological life."

                    The point I am making is that the world to a great extent is created and maintained through the expression of emotional energy. And it is this energy through which magic operates. Results, the results which I am speaking to you about , are always the result of emotional energy.

                    "Modern man believes he has created his world through intellect and action. But it is not true. He is fallen man and his intellect is the servant of emotion, just as are his voluntary muscles."

                    What you call primitive man looks at the modern technological world and sees a form of magic. You laugh at him, but he is right. The modern non-traditional world has come into being through emotional energy that is formed into the pattern called egoism, with it's aspects of fear, desire and self-protectiveness."

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                    • #11
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                      it so often comes back to the dog . . . .

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                      • #12
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                        Originally posted by don View Post
                        it so often comes back to the dog . . . .
                        I must confess that I have no idea what that means.

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                        • #13
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                          Plug in and be lit up by the American Hologram.

                          "This great loom of media images, and images of images, is so many layers deep that it has replaced reality. No one can remember the original imprint. If there was one. The hologram is a hermetic snow globe, a self-referential circuitry of images, and a Möbius loop from which there is no logical escape. Logic has zilch to do with what is going on. The smallest part holographically recapitulates the whole, and vice versa. No thinking required, we just cycle and recycle through an aural dimension. Not all that bad, I guess, if it were not generated by forces out to fuck every last pair of eyeballs and mind plugged into it."

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                            Speaking of Holograms. Hedges reviews Egger's new book.

                            http://www.truthdig.com/arts_culture...ives_20120827/


                            And of "mindfullness." Ellen Langer interview...

                            http://www.npr.org/2012/08/02/157809...to-beat-stress

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                              Originally posted by cjppjc View Post
                              I must confess that I have no idea what that means.
                              a more positive spin on:

                              "Modern man believes he has created his world through intellect and action. But it is not true. He is fallen man and his intellect is the servant of emotion, just as are his voluntary muscles."
                              my wife and I continue to deepen our appreciation of our dog's approach to life - one day at a time . . .

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