Michael Moore and Oliver Stone on Assange

[shiny!]

Re: Michael Moore and Oliver Stone on Assange

Many people don't like Michael Moore because they think he is not truthful and a hypocrite.Here's one example of one of his critics about one of his films:

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.htmlThe point is not that Bowling is biased. No, the point is that Bowling is deliberately, seriously, and consistently deceptive...

Excellent rebuttal to a blatant propaganda piece, raja. Thanks for posting it. That said, I agree with Moore and Stone in this case.

[mfyahya]

Re: Michael Moore and Oliver Stone on Assange

One of my friends became really angry 15 years ago when I told him that General Motors was going to go bankrupt. He has not spoken to me since, and of course, now that it happened, he must be even angrier. Why? Because his dad worked for General Motors. All I was trying to do was to tell him that the pensions were at risk and that his dad should consider the possibility that he may get less pension than he expects so don't blow the whole wad before you get it.

I think sometimes how you deliver a message is just as important or even more important than the message itself. I'm not implying you were harsh, but maybe if you had let him know the background over more time and let him come to that conclusion himself he wouldn't be so offended.
Sort of how the MSM can convince people of pretty much anything regardless of facts.

All I am interested in is ideas, not whether I like or dislike who is saying it or whether I like or dislike what is being said. Very painful, but less painful than denial and running into a brick wall... and highly lucrative, too.

That's a very rare (and commendable) trait.

[Thailandnotes]

Re: Michael Moore and Oliver Stone on Assange

Moore did something new.

“Roger and Me” was 60 Minutes with laughs, and it ran at local theaters across the country. More power to anyone who figures out how to pull that off in this media age. Yes, he's a propagandist, but he's not as sloppy or fraudulent as some posts here imply. His criticism of Obama has been intense.

[GRG55]

Re: Michael Moore and Oliver Stone on Assange

There are a lot of there's-nothing-wrong-with-me-there's-something-wrong-with-you people, and they are pissed off by any suggestion that the fault lies not in our stars but in ourselves.

One of my friends became really angry 15 years ago when I told him that General Motors was going to go bankrupt. He has not spoken to me since, and of course, now that it happened, he must be even angrier. Why? Because his dad worked for General Motors. All I was trying to do was to tell him that the pensions were at risk and that his dad should consider the possibility that he may get less pension than he expects so don't blow the whole wad before you get it.

All I am interested in is ideas, not whether I like or dislike who is saying it or whether I like or dislike what is being said. Very painful, but less painful than denial and running into a brick wall... and highly lucrative, too.

It's part of the human condition...more often than not you can never be more "wrong" than when you are right...

[astonas]

Re: Michael Moore and Oliver Stone on Assange

It's part of the human condition...more often than not you can never be more "wrong" than when you are right...

Dead on. And well put!

[unlucky]

Re: Michael Moore and Oliver Stone on Assange

Excellent rebuttal to a blatant propaganda piece, raja. Thanks for posting it. That said, I agree with Moore and Stone in this case.

Hear, hear. Moore often makes films on topics that are real and important. But then he debases them with blatantly propagandistic presentations. He is aiming to whip up anger rather than encourage people to think. That's a real shame.

[lakedaemonian]

Re: Michael Moore and Oliver Stone on Assange

Hear, hear. Moore often makes films on topics that are real and important. But then he debases them with blatantly propagandistic presentations. He is aiming to whip up anger rather than encourage people to think. That's a real shame.

Agreed...everything since Roger and Me is worthy of the Goebbels Prize for Propaganda in my opinion.

I have the utmost respect for Michael Moore as a businessman...not so much as an unbiased and balanced film maker.

That guy can spin money like PT Barnum......except Barnum didn't make people hate "The Egress" so much they just had to go and find it to see for themselves.

[c1ue]

Re: Michael Moore and Oliver Stone on Assange

So can you suggest one and also let us know how he is going to get there?

Perhaps you can clarify what is the 'one' you are referring to?

For my part, I don't see a need for ANY media figures to serve as role models.

Anyone who wants to be a media figure ultimately guarantees perversion of the original message once personal aggrandisement overtakes the execution of the mission.

Assange, for example, has no need whatsoever to hang around in major cities picking up women in order to promote WikiLeaks' message. Nor do I believe for one second that this behavior had any net positive factor whatsoever, at any stage, with what Wikileaks has accomplished.

The information Wikileaks put forward was the message.

Now the message is AssangeTM.

[jiimbergin]

Re: Michael Moore and Oliver Stone on Assange

Perhaps you can clarify what is the 'one' you are referring to?

For my part, I don't see a need for ANY media figures to serve as role models.

Anyone who wants to be a media figure ultimately guarantees perversion of the original message once personal aggrandisement overtakes the execution of the mission.

Assange, for example, has no need whatsoever to hang around in major cities picking up women in order to promote WikiLeaks' message. Nor do I believe for one second that this behavior had any net positive factor whatsoever, at any stage, with what Wikileaks has accomplished.

The information Wikileaks put forward was the message.

Now the message is AssangeTM.

Sorry I was not clearer, I meant which hellhole should Assange move to, and also how is he going to get out of England.

[c1ue]

Re: Michael Moore and Oliver Stone on Assange

Sorry I was not clearer, I meant which hellhole should Assange move to, and also how is he going to get out of England.

He doesn't even have to move to a hellhole.

He could just as easily go hang out in one of the many rural areas of England, the United States, or Europe - anywhere with a decent internet connection.

He could move to Australia and live outside of the major cities.

Instead he's chosen to reap the benefits of his newfound notoriety.