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    Last summer was quite bad, with many nuclear power plants shut down, and the mothballed oil-fired and natural gas-fired plants not yet brought back online, and the constant damn quakes. The air conditioning and lighting were reduced in public places, but otherwise, you couldnt tell anything had happened in Tokyo.

    This summer, almost all of the nuclear plants are still offline, but the mothballed generators have been brought back online, and even though it has been 35C (95F) on some days, Tokyo Electric Power Company has so far not had to deal with electricity use more than 90% of capacity. TEPCO usually liked to maintain 20% excess capacity, so 10% excess capacity under the circumstances is not bad. Nuclear used to provide 30% of generating capacity.

    You can see daily the peak capacity and a graph of usage for TEPCO here
    http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/forecast/html/index-e.html

    The real test will be around mid-August, which is usually the hottest time of year.

    A lot of things have happened in the last year to help reduce energy consumption. LEDs have replaced incandescents in restaurants and may public places. There is finally an LED mania going on, with hundreds of types to chose from and the prices have dropped to $10 for basic types.

    Convenience stores like Lawson's
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawson_(store)
    with about 10,000 stores, have nearly completed conversion to LED lighting in ceilings and display cases, cutting lighting electricity use by half. Many stores, having reached the end of their 30 year service life, have been completely rebuilt with energy use being cut by 25%.

    Offices I know of have replaced all their old computers with ones that use 70% less electricity. Windows 8 is coming out in October, and no one here wants a repeat of what happened before, so offices are replacing their computers with energy efficient ones with Windows 7, which by now, since it is going to be discontinued, is as debugged as it is ever going to get. Typically, a desktop and display that was using 150 watts is now using 40 or 50 watts. Laptops are using 20 watts. An office with 100 workers has cut its direct electricity use by 100 kwh per day. Even more savings come from the air conditioning not having to remove that heat. Offices are getting ready to convert to LEDs or task lighting, which will trim another 100 kwh per day in direct electricity. So, at a cost of essentially nothing since the computers needed to be replaced anyway, and at a cost of nothing for the LEDs since they last 5 times longer but cost 5 times as much as a fluorescent, but use half the energy, an office with 100 people can cut its electricity use by more than half, by more than 200 kwh per day. That's enough to run a household for a month. Every day.

    New refrigerators are so energy efficient that they run at 30 cents per day at our horrendous electric rate of 30 cents per kwh, and would run at 10 cents per day at the US average rate of 10 cents a kwh. New air conditioners can air condition 600 square feet for $1 a day here, 35 cents a day in the US, when its 90F plus outside but 72 degrees inside.

    So, there has been a lot of replacement of old energy-inefficient stuff, and it was easy and cheap.

    There have been huge protests against nuclear energy, and they have been saying to TEPCO and the other electric companies: You said we would not have enough electricity without nuclear, but there hasnt been a problem, so were you just saying that because nuclear is cheaper?

    Personally, I think nuclear is just too much trouble. It causes too much stress and too much fear.
    We are expecting a huge quake along the south side of Honshu, which would do huge damage to Tokyo, Nagoya, Osaka, depending on which part slips.
    It would be better to just plow money into replacing all the old inefficient things, which I think would cut electricity use by about 30%, which would offset the lost 30% electricity from nuclear.

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    Re: Electricity situation in Japan

    thanks for the update, mooncliff

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      Yes, last year was really scary... that was the most scared I have ever been, but now things are quite normal. I have had many people visit in the last few months, and they all said they couldnt tell anything had happened in Tokyo. I havent been to Tohoku, and of course there is still a lot of trouble there, but here, quite OK for now.

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        Florida note: the land here in south Florida is thin topsoil - I assume trucked in - with native sand underneath and then water. Locally there is very little underground power lines, a topic of chronic discussion because Florida has a tremendous amount of lightning strikes and outages are a weekly event - most often of the electronic-damaging quickly off then back on variety.

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          Ah, yes, like many things, that is a tradeoff... you bury the lines, it costs many times as much as having them strung above ground, and the loss of about 5% of the power to the ground constantly... in the air, you can find the damage quickly, and there is little loss, but susceptible to lightning etc...
          As always, paint your roof with a titanium micro ceramic, and that will cut the heat getting into your house, drastically cutting the need for air conditioning.

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          • #6
            Re: Electricity situation in Japan

            Originally posted by mooncliff
            This summer, almost all of the nuclear plants are still offline, but the mothballed generators have been brought back online, and even though it has been 35C (95F) on some days, Tokyo Electric Power Company has so far not had to deal with electricity use more than 90% of capacity.
            That's the good news.

            The bad news: the generators you speak of are coal and oil. Japan is going backwards on Kyoto, and getting a whonking big trade deficit as well:

            http://news.yahoo.com/japan-trade-de...--finance.html

            Japan reported its biggest half-year trade deficit ever as exports weakened and fuel imports soared to keep the power on while most reactors are idled in the aftermath of last year's nuclear crisis.The Ministry of Finance on Wednesday reported a 2.9 trillion yen ($37.4 billion) trade deficit for the first half ended June 30. The deficit was triple the size of the deficit reported for the same period last year. First half exports fell 2.5 percent from last year while imports surged 13.1 percent.

            The latest trade deficit is the biggest since Japan started compiling such records in 1979.

            Until this month, all 50 of Japan's working nuclear reactors were offline after the nuclear crisis set off in March 2011 by a massive earthquake and tsunami. Two reactors are now back online but the country still must rely more on oil and gas to supply electricity.
            Exports were dented by weaker demand stemming from Europe's debt crisis. A strong yen also hurt exports.

            Disruptions to parts supplies caused by the disaster in northeastern Japan have also hurt exports as production of autos and electronics slowed, although have since recovered.

            Imports surged on the back of the growing cost of importing fuel, including oil, petroleum products, gas and coal.

            Japan has managed to eke out small trade surpluses in some months over the last year.

            Earlier this year, Japan reported a record annual trade deficit for the fiscal year ended March.

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              Re: Electricity situation in Japan

              Originally posted by mooncliff View Post
              Personally, I think nuclear is just too much trouble. It causes too much stress and too much fear.
              We are expecting a huge quake along the south side of Honshu, which would do huge damage to Tokyo, Nagoya, Osaka, depending on which part slips.
              It would be better to just plow money into replacing all the old inefficient things, which I think would cut electricity use by about 30%, which would offset the lost 30% electricity from nuclear.
              It is really great and fascinating to hear about the switch to more energy efficient solutions. I am worried about the backlash against nuclear energy, though. I understand why they were angry about the systems not being properly monitored; however, coal is far worse than nuclear energy. You think Fukishima is bad? The pollution caused by coal-fired power plants is worse and you cannot contain it. As someone that lives next to coal-fired power plants, I'll tell you right here and now that I would take 100 nuclear plants over 1 coal plant at my back door.

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                Originally posted by BadJuju View Post
                It is really great and fascinating to hear about the switch to more energy efficient solutions. I am worried about the backlash against nuclear energy, though. I understand why they were angry about the systems not being properly monitored; however, coal is far worse than nuclear energy. You think Fukishima is bad? The pollution caused by coal-fired power plants is worse and you cannot contain it. As someone that lives next to coal-fired power plants, I'll tell you right here and now that I would take 100 nuclear plants over 1 coal plant at my back door.
                I would agree......but for the fact that some countries possess significant seismic risk....such as Japan and down here in NZ.

                In Japan's case can it afford NOT to maintain commercial nuclear power?

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                • #9
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                  Yep.
                  But wait until you see how bad the expected quakes are. Magnitude 7 to 8, possibly directly under Tokyo. Probability is 70% over the next four years.
                  Trade deficit etc will be a nuisance compared to the enormous damage and the thousands dead. Nothing to do except get back to fixing everything...

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                  • #10
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                    I know that people are scared, but can't things be fixed?

                    Can a spent fuel rod facility be built well inland and or away from seismic hot spots and spent rods stored there?
                    Can backup portable generators be ready to go, and be quikly moved to restore power to dark plants?
                    Aren't other plants more advanced than fukishima as far as being able to cope without power?
                    Are there plants not on the coasts that would not be suseptible to tsunami's that could be restarted?

                    Wouldn't this have stopped most of the problems at fukishima?

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                    • #11
                      Re: Electricity situation in Japan

                      Originally posted by mooncliff
                      Yep.
                      But wait until you see how bad the expected quakes are. Magnitude 7 to 8, possibly directly under Tokyo. Probability is 70% over the next four years.
                      Trade deficit etc will be a nuisance compared to the enormous damage and the thousands dead. Nothing to do except get back to fixing everything...
                      I think nuclear power and the danger earthquakes pose to Japan are pretty much completely unrelated.

                      If a 7 or 8 earthquake hits dead center of Tokyo, all that landfill is going to quiver like a blob of jello dropped several feet. The sewage, natural gas, water, and whatever other pipelines are situated inside said Jello is going to disintegrate. The oil, coal, and natural gas fired plants aren't going to do so well either, but that won't matter because the grid will have long since collapsed.

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