Le Sack ?

[Mega]

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/07/06/p...d-10-000-jobs/

In England cars from Italy/France come LAST in the J D Power servey.....i owned a Peugeot....NEVER AGAIN!

So, the question is does the "New Frog" do what the "Old Frog" did....& we get a flood of cheap nasty Frog-mobiles.......or does he bite the bullet...?
Mike

[don]

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there's always alternatives - the East is a Simile . . .

[GRG55]

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There seem to be four things that damn near every government everywhere in the world thinks is essential: 1) A national airline; 2) Domestic agriculture; 3) Bankers with bonuses; and 4) A home grown automobile manufacturing industry.

And every damn government seems hell bent to subsidize all four of these, no matter what.

Global automobile manufacturing capacity has been in blatant surplus to market demand for decades, and it's idiot government policy that prevents that from ever being rationalized by allowing the least efficient, least desirable (by market demand for their products) manufacturers to go out of business peacefully.

P.S. Mega: One of your best thread titles ever :-)

[globaleconomicollaps]

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P.S. Mega: One of your best thread titles ever :-)

You are hitting one of my pet peeves. In American English the verb "To Sack" always refers to a football maneuver. I polled a dozen people and not one identified this word in the British sense you are using it in.

I'm really sorry about these workers being fired. I drive a Peugeot and it seems like a solid piece of work.

Industrialization is one of the things most closely tied to dropping birth rates and improved income distribution. What is more a vigorous national industry gives a nation pride and a sense of history. What would France be without the Citroën 2CV for instance?

There was a time when the "frogmobile" obliterated the competition. Zoom Zoom!

[GRG55]

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You are hitting one of my pet peeves. In American English the verb "To Sack" always refers to a football maneuver. I polled a dozen people and not one identified this word in the British sense you are using it in...

Well every Brit, Canadian or Aussie will understand. It's a very common phrase in our vernacular. For those dozen American football fans you polled here's a link to an article from Australia when earlier this year Toyota sacked some workers...I didn't bother to count how many times the article used the word "sack" to describe the dismissals, but it's a bunch.

It was the one-way van trip Toyota employees were desperate to avoid.
For about 200 of the company's Altona plant workers yesterday, the trip - in a Tarago or HiAce, from the factory floor across Grieve Parade to Grand Star Receptions - marked the end of their careers at Toyota.
Another 100 or so workers are expected to meet the same fate - a van ride to the sack - today.
Robert Takacs, who worked there for a decade, said the sackings had been handled badly and he was now desperate to find another job. ''We just bought a house. We have got a little one on the way.''

Workers sacked yesterday got four weeks' redundancy pay for every year of service, capped at 90 weeks...

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/pol...#ixzz1zswecbVe

...What would France be without the Citroën 2CV for instance?...

Better off?

[Milton Kuo]

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You are hitting one of my pet peeves. In American English the verb "To Sack" always refers to a football maneuver. I polled a dozen people and not one identified this word in the British sense you are using it in.

In American English, the most commonly understood meaning nowadays does indeed refer to a play in American football where a quarterback is tackled behind the line of scrimmage. This usage of the word was coined by NFL Hall of Fame defensive end David Deacon Jones, who played for the Los Angeles Rams in the 1960s and early 1970s.

The older meaning of "sack" means to dismiss a person from the employ of a company. The etymology of this meaning of the word comes from the days in England where tradesmen had to bring their own tools to the job. If these tradesmen were dismissed from their position, they were given a sack in which they could put their tools to take home; hence, they were "sacked."

It seems most Americans nowadays are not familiar with the definition of "sack" meaning to dismiss a person from employ, likely because of the American penchant for euphemisms. We nowadays use increasingly euphemistic terms such as dismiss, lay off, downsize, or (ugh) rightsize.

[LargoWinch]

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Global automobile manufacturing capacity has been in blatant surplus to market demand for decades, and it's idiot government policy that prevents that from ever being rationalized by allowing the least efficient, least desirable (by market demand for their products) manufacturers to go out of business peacefully.

I think Governments are more inclined at protecting their Military Industry - which is often dependant on automobile manufacturing.

[GRG55]

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...I drive a Peugeot and it seems like a solid piece of work...

Both Peugeot and France were in ecstasy after Le Mans in 2009...

http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthr...hlight=Le+Mans

[GRG55]

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I think Governments are more inclined at protecting their Military Industry - which is often dependant on automobile manufacturing.

So that's why Ottawa helped to bail out GM and Chrysler a few years ago??

[lektrode]

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You are hitting one of my pet peeves. ..

really sorry about these workers being fired. I drive a Peugeot and it seems like a solid piece of work.

i had a couple of em - the 504 was one of the best long-distance cruisers i ever had - tho i did get quite good at tearing apart and re-assy of the diesels...

...
It seems most Americans nowadays are not familiar with the definition of "sack" meaning to dismiss a person from employ, likely because of the American penchant for euphemisms. We nowadays use increasingly euphemistic terms such as dismiss, lay off, downsize, or (ugh) rightsize.

guess i'm not much of a football fan, eye knew what mega meant:
fired, or, as in the vernacular: s__tcanned, 86'd, shown the door, pinkslipped....

Both Peugeot and France were in ecstasy after Le Mans in 2009...

http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthr...hlight=Le+Mans

hey! nice roadtrip story there GRG....

eye noted LW's comment....

Where are the pictures of the Le Mans "Demoiselles du paddock"?

mais bien sûr, ici, ils sont ici
WHOO LA LA!
that'll get yer horse trottin...

happy friday!
its time for some horse racing... daily double comin right up, with a trifecta for dinner....

[LargoWinch]

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So that's why Ottawa helped to bail out GM and Chrysler a few years ago??

Ask yourself: is there a difference between Ottawa and Washington?

[lektrode]

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Ask yourself: is there a difference between Ottawa and Washington?

hmmmm... not sure how to answer that one...
other than the title of a certain movie
and you guys apparently have a better medical care system?
oh... and maybe we have more 'spirited debates'?

;)

where's mr steve when we need him???


(all typed in FUN, in case someone decides to jump to the _wrong_ conclusion)

[LargoWinch]

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hmmmm... not sure how to answer that one...
other than the title of a certain movie
and you guys apparently have a better medical care system?
oh... and maybe we have more 'spirited debates'?

;)

where's mr steve when we need him???


(all typed in FUN, in case someone decides to jump to the _wrong_ conclusion)

The U.S. capacity to generate genius thinkers, despite decades a corrosion/corruption still amazes me.

Here is but one example (EJ being another)

[GRG55]

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Ask yourself: is there a difference between Ottawa and Washington?

Um...National Health Care? :-)

[Shakespear]

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Never owned a French car but did have a British Spitfire once. Nice toy but the rear differential had a manufacturing defect and when it heated up it would begin to leak oil. Got rid of it and moved on to a Saab. Now that was a good car before Toyota came around. 70's and on were a disaster for quality of US cars, something I could not understand then or today. We had Demming go to Japan to teach them quality control and in the US we .... Built crap.

"Le Sack", being a mid-centurion the first thought was "get fired" in the context of iTulip forum and then football. Now you know, I am not in my 20's