Collapse or Indefinite Serfdom?

[reggie]

Re: Collapse or Indefinite Serfdom?

I find liberal intolerance and blindness to the obvious to be very amusing as Mn-Mark pointed out. It is obvious that racial genotypes can affect the averages of height, weight, body type, facial features, eye color, skin color, hair type and placement, hair color, strength, endurance, and other physical descriptors. But it CANNOT, under any circumstances be allowed to affect the average I.Q. This is not permitted in the liberal worldview. If you dare to disagree you will be branded a heretic, or skeptic, and (virtually) drawn and quartered and burned at the stake. Forget about tenure, government or foundation grants, or the continued fellowship of your peers. You are a non-person and have no standing. This from those who profess themselves to be the guardians of Tolerance for everyone.

This is "framing theory" of the mechanized mind at work in society (what intel guys call "wiring"). Differently framed [mechanized] minds can't actually see or necessarily understand "realities" outside of their own frames of reference. This is a biological phenomenom that occurs over time as the neural networks develop within a given individual's brain. Those patterns of networks create realities that can be identified, and filter out other realities. Hence, our difference are cultivated and maintained, but the process can be reversed (what intel calls "rewiring" or "rewired") Some authors that discuss these issues are Dan Goleman on creation of realities within the brain, Berger and Luckmann on the creation of social realities, Dupuy on the Mechanization of the Mind, and Joseph LeDoux on the brain ("Synaptic Self").

[Raz]

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I find liberal intolerance and blindness to the obvious to be very amusing as Mn-Mark pointed out. It is obvious that racial genotypes can affect the averages of height, weight, body type, facial features, eye color, skin color, hair type and placement, hair color, strength, endurance, and other physical descriptors. But it CANNOT, under any circumstances be allowed to affect the average I.Q. This is not permitted in the liberal worldview. If you dare to disagree you will be branded a heretic, or skeptic, and (virtually) drawn and quartered and burned at the stake. Forget about tenure, government or foundation grants, or the continued fellowship of your peers. You are a non-person and have no standing. This from those who profess themselves to be the guardians of Tolerance for everyone.

So now I have a couple of questions for the supporters of illegals. Since it's OK by you for Mexicans, Central Americans, and anybody else who can get themself across the Rio Grande to violate our borders, why don't you sneak into Mexico and get an illegal job and sponge off of their welfare, healthcare system. I promise to send you at least one care package to whatever filthy Mexican jail you wind up in. And why are you discriminating against all the honest people who spend money and years of their lives waiting to get into this country legally? Why not speak out for their "right" to come here whenever they want and work at whatever job they can find and collect welfare, EIC, food stamps, housing assistance, energy assistance, educational assistance, and the simpering, condescending sympathy of liberals. Perhaps because they don't come from a "protected" or "preferenced" racial type. The very thought is heresy.

Illegal immigrants (and some legal ones) are helping to bankrupt this country's educational, healthcare, and wefare systems. The reason it's permitted by pols is so they can buy their illegal votes and support with taxpayer's money. It's a crass and corrupt faustian bargain. Our children and grandchildren will be paying the bill for decades to come.

It is impossible to have "protected classes" without having unprotected groups who will be preyed upon to support and offer preferences to the chosen few (who may be many millions). Big government, like big banks and big corporations destroy freedom, wealth, and eventually life itself.

I don't know how I managed to miss this post last Summer. (Probably because my wife was attempting to kill me with yard work!)

I agree with everything I highlighted in green and underlined, and I strongly agree with the green portions I bolded.
I'm confident there are people here at iTulip who don't agree with photon 555, so what happened to the immediate, almost knee-jerk "moralistic' rebuttals?

I would very much appreciate someone pointing out to me why I'm wrong in agreeing with photon's thoughts.

[Thailandnotes]

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“The reason it's permitted by pols is so they can buy their illegal votes.”

The above is pure baloney.

As Moyers points out in the interview below, in the first debate not a single question was asked about immigration. A debate held in Colorado!

MARÍA ELENA SALINAS: We're changing now because we have this joint venture with ABC and we are going to be doing the same thing that we do in Univision, but we'll do it in English …

BILL MOYERS: What does it say that you're moving into the larger English speaking--

JORGE RAMOS: What it's saying is that her daughters and my son and my daughter, they don't watch us. Because they feel much more comfortable in English.

http://billmoyers.com/segment/jorge-...panic-america/

As for the rest, I think Clue nailed it in response # 30

[shiny!]

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I installed a filter system on my shower for this very reason.

This was posted in June but I only saw it now. It's important to know if your city uses chlorine or chloramine in your water supply. A chlorine filter won't filter chloramine. I don't know if anyone makes a chloramine shower filter. If not, you would be better off with a Whole House water filter that's configured for chloramine removal. Your city's website should have a water quality report posted that will tell you what's in your water.

A fluoride filter is important, too. Among other nasty things fluoride is a goitrogen- it reduces thyroid function.

Over the years I've ordered a number of filters from www.thewaterexchange.net because the guy who answers the phone is the owner; he's actually knowlegeable about which filters work best for what's in my water.

HTH

[shiny!]

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Forgot to mention...

Chloramine (ammonia + chlorine) causes pinhole leaks in copper water pipes. In some cities it's so bad that copper is developing leaks within only a few months. At first people blamed cheap Chinese copper, but then it was discovered that the chemicals that cities are putting into the water are the culprit. Government drinking water standards have become more stringent, or perhaps the water has become more polluted, and cities are using stronger chemicals to keep up.

PEX is also degraded by chlorine. I had to repipe my house a couple of months ago. In the past I would have used copper, and all the plumbers who came out to do bids wanted to sell me PEX, but knowing what I do now I went with FlowGard Gold CPVC. It's unaffected by chlorine and chloramine.

Builders Sue Water Districts over Water Pipe Leaks:

Marc Edwards is a Virginia Tech civil and environmental engineering professor and a nationally recognized expert on copper corrosion. Part of his work is to study the causes of pipe failures and how to stop them. He said several legal cases are emerging in California and he expects to be retained as an expert.

"We've done probably over a million dollars of research over the last eight years," Edwards said. "We've identified water chemistry, corrosive water, as a key instigator of pinhole leaks.

"We know that other factors are often involved, including excessive velocity in pipes and poor installation practices, and so each case requires fairly extensive forensic evaluation to try to diagnose the possible cause and cures," he added.

Edwards said the very standards implemented to make drinking water safe might be contributing to pinhole leaks. While disinfectants are needed, too much in some waters might be corrosive. He said research on chloramine has shown it alone doesn't eat holes in pipes, but "it is possible, even likely, that chloramine plus other factors in the water can be highly corrosive."

Well-intentioned changes to meet standards might be having unintended consequences, Edwards said.

[dcarrigg]

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I would very much appreciate someone pointing out to me why I'm wrong in agreeing with photon's thoughts.

I never got a response to my challenge. I'm sure a genetically pure Englishman or German or whatever he happens to be should be able to mop the floor with me easily. Yet, I never got a response...

[radon]

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Do people of a nation, or community, have the right to choose the way they want to live?

Do these Mennonites have the right to create a community that they choose by weeding out those with differing views? I say yes, any group does, as long as it doesn't go against basic human rights.

Yes to the second means no to the first.

[radon]

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Smart man (women)! Vitamin C is the only substance, to my knowledge, that will neutralize the chloramines, but frequent changes are required. It's another attack on our endocrine system, along the same lines as the Soya industry, which is now almost impossible to escape in the food chain.

You realize that halogens are used as disinfectants precisely because they are highly reactive. If they weren't toxic they wouldn't kill parasites or bacteria.

[radon]

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There are 7 foot Chinese, 7 foot Africans, 7 foot South Indians, 7 foot Europeans, and so forth.

What is the I.Q. gene or genes?

There are plenty of long tail counter examples in any population. This doesn't invalidate the statistical measurement. Also I don't see examples of pituitary disorders as particularly relevant. What I do find odd is that you seem to think that genes can control certain traits that are objectively measurable but not others.

[radon]

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In the past I would have used copper, and all the plumbers who came out to do bids wanted to sell me PEX, but knowing what I do now I went with FlowGard Gold CPVC. It's unaffected by chlorine and chloramine.

It is also cheaper. No conspiracy necessary.

[Raz]

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“The reason it's permitted by pols is so they can buy their illegal votes.”

The above is pure baloney.

As Moyers points out in the interview below, in the first debate not a single question was asked about immigration. A debate held in Colorado!

MARÍA ELENA SALINAS: We're changing now because we have this joint venture with ABC and we are going to be doing the same thing that we do in Univision, but we'll do it in English …

BILL MOYERS: What does it say that you're moving into the larger English speaking--

JORGE RAMOS: What it's saying is that her daughters and my son and my daughter, they don't watch us. Because they feel much more comfortable in English.

http://billmoyers.com/segment/jorge-...panic-america/

As for the rest, I think Clue nailed it in response # 30

I never said I agreed with everything photon has written: I said I agreed with the statements I underlined and highlighted in green, and I strongly argeed with the ones I bolded in green.

Please address those, and try to use someone other than Bill Moyers to back up your point. He's quite biased and I personally question his honesty in more than a few things.

[Raz]

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I never got a response to my challenge. I'm sure a genetically pure Englishman or German or whatever he happens to be should be able to mop the floor with me easily. Yet, I never got a response...

With all due respect, dcarrigg, I didn't quote Mn_Mark. I quoted photon555 and highlghted the statements I agreed with.

This has nothing to do with one specific Irishman having a higher IQ than one specific Englishman, or one specific Korean, or one specific Nigerian, etc.

[Raz]

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...As for the rest, I think Clue nailed it in response # 30

I just read his response and I do not believed he "nailed" anything.

We're talking about averages for racial groups - not a specific individual or outlier.

[dcarrigg]

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With all due respect, dcarrigg, I didn't quote Mn_Mark. I quoted photon555 and highlghted the statements I agreed with.

This has nothing to do with one specific Irishman having a higher IQ than one specific Englishman, or one specific Korean, or one specific Nigerian, etc.

Aye. But I should be at an average disadvantage from conception, no? So on average, compared to someone at the same point on the curve from almost any other European country, I should lose. At least there should be a large population of Englishmen that could best me, regardless of how high up on the curve I am.

I use the Irish example not simply because I'm one of them, but more specifically, because that prejudice is almost gone. Most people simply no longer believe that the Irish are a stupid, chimp-like race. So what changed?

But it is not lost on me that the primary book that supports the modern racial IQ hypothesis happens to be written by a British professor at the University of Ulster (Northern Ireland).

That an Englishman in Northern Ireland would commission a study that finds the Irish dimwitted and well below the mean of intelligence doesn't surprise me. They've been doing that for hundreds of years, culminating in the attempted genocide of the 1840s and 50s.

What does surprise me is that people buy such nonsense.

Firstly, there is almost no genetic dimorphism between the Irish and the English populations at this point. Throw some DNA into the gene sequencer, and you can tell with some probability whether someone's from the British Isles vs. Russia etc., but it is nearly impossible to tell an Englishman from an Irishman, despite what each would like to believe.

Secondly, even among the populations in England, maternal mitochondrial DNA and Y-chromosome haplogroups seem to indicate that influences from the Anglo-Saxons seem to account for only about 20% of genetic material in England, and Norman DNA only for about 2%. The remaining majority of the population looks genetically identical to the Basque/Pict/Celtic data, likely suggesting that the isles were heavily populated by these groups and were never fully taken over during invasion genetically, but rather simply, politically.

So I fundamentally question the efficacy of a study that purports to link IQ to genetics when it fundamentally discounts genetics and instead uses national boundaries, as if people have not been breeding across borders for millennia.

If you want to link IQ and genetics, you can't do it on basis of nationality or self-reported ethnicity. You have to do it by testing random samples (individuals), then sequencing their genes, and following DNA haplogroups. If you do it simply based on self-identified race or national borders, you're doing shoddy science. And when shoddy science is used to tell one group they're superior and another group they're inferior, then I can be pretty sure you're publishing politics rather than science. And that brand of politics often leads to people getting hurt.

If and, more probably, when someone does the such a study properly, I'll be interested to look at the results. But there are still problems with the IQ test itself, that I think are unresolved.

[Thailandnotes]

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If you want to link IQ and genetics, you can't do it on basis of nationality or self-reported ethnicity. You have to do it by testing random samples (individuals), then sequencing their genes, and following DNA haplogroups.

The wiki article "Race and Intelligence" is a good read. The above point becomes crystal clear...

"Eyferth studied the out-of-wedlock children of black and white soldiers stationed in Germany after World War 2 and then raised by white German mothers and found no significant differences."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence