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  • The End of the Euro: A survivor's guide.

    In every economic crisis there comes a moment of clarity. In Europe soon, millions of people will wake up to realize that the euro-as-we-know-it is gone. Economic chaos awaits them.

    To understand why, first strip away your illusions. Europe’s crisis to date is a series of supposedly “decisive” turning points that each turned out to be just another step down a steep hill. Greece’s upcoming election on June 17 is another such moment. While the so-called “pro-bailout” forces may prevail in terms of parliamentary seats, some form of new currency will soon flood the streets of Athens. It is already nearly impossible to save Greek membership in the euro area: depositors flee banks, taxpayers delay tax payments, and companies postpone paying their suppliers – either because they can’t pay or because they expect soon to be able to pay in cheap drachma.

    The troika of the European Commission (EC), European Central Bank (ECB), and International Monetary Fund (IMF) has proved unable to restore the prospect of recovery in Greece, and any new lending program would run into the same difficulties. In apparent frustration, the head of the IMF, Christine Lagarde, remarked last week, “As far as Athens is concerned, I also think about all those people who are trying to escape tax all the time.”

    Ms. Lagarde’s empathy is wearing thin and this is unfortunate – particularly as the Greek failure mostly demonstrates how wrong a single currency is for Europe. The Greek backlash reflects the enormous pain and difficulty that comes with trying to arrange “internal devaluations” (a euphemism for big wage and spending cuts) in order to restore competitiveness and repay an excessive debt level.

    Faced with five years of recession, more than 20 percent unemployment, further cuts to come, and a stream of failed promises from politicians inside and outside the country, a political backlash seems only natural. With IMF leaders, EC officials, and financial journalists floating the idea of a “Greek exit” from the euro, who can now invest in or sign long-term contracts in Greece? Greece’s economy can only get worse.
    Some European politicians are now telling us that an orderly exit for Greece is feasible under current conditions, and Greece will be the only nation that leaves. They are wrong. Greece’s exit is simply another step in a chain of events that leads towards a chaotic dissolution of the euro zone.

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    http://baselinescenario.com/2012/05/...rvivors-guide/

    Assuming this plays out as described in the article, it should result in a massive "flight to quality" (try not to snicker) as in a rising USD and falling UST yields, no? Which means that KA-POOM gets kicked farther down the road.
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    Re: The End of the Euro: A survivor's guide.

    Originally posted by mastershake
    Assuming this plays out as described in the article, it should result in a massive "flight to quality" (try not to snicker) as in a rising USD and falling UST yields, no? Which means that KA-POOM gets kicked farther down the road.

    yes to massive flight to "quality" = usd and bonds up. but this will not defer kapoom, instead it will be an intensification of the next, bigger [biggest?] ka as it implies a collapsing european economy, which is an enormously deflationary event for the global economy. that should trigger some kind of reflationary response in the u.s, most likely qeN [for some N]. when THAT stimulus wears off, and the usd is the last man standing, then the following ka-collapse will trigger the final poom, as the dollar itself goes down.

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      Re: The End of the Euro: A survivor's guide.

      If the US Dollar is the last standing, how can it go down?

      I thought currencies get more worthless relatively to each other.

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        Re: The End of the Euro: A survivor's guide.

        Originally posted by Techdread View Post
        If the US Dollar is the last standing, how can it go down?

        I thought currencies get more worthless relatively to each other.
        all the others go down, one by one, with the dollar benefiting in a relative way. then the dollar collapses vis a vis real goods.

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          Re: The End of the Euro: A survivor's guide.

          Note that flight to quality does not itself mean that the destination is quality.

          All it means is that the core gets affected last.

          The fundamental problems with the US still remain and will not be solved by 'flight to quality': financialization, health care, unemployment, too much debt, etc etc.

          These problems will, however, get put off enough that progress toward any solution will be killed.

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            Re: The End of the Euro: A survivor's guide.

            bill fleckenstein prefers to call it a "flight to QUANTITY."

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              Re: The End of the Euro: A survivor's guide.

              Originally posted by c1ue View Post
              Note that flight to quality does not itself mean that the destination is quality.

              All it means is that the core gets affected last.

              The fundamental problems with the US still remain and will not be solved by 'flight to quality': financialization, health care, unemployment, too much debt, etc etc.

              These problems will, however, get put off enough that progress toward any solution will be killed.
              everyone piles into the biggest boat.

              later the big boat sinks.

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                Re: The End of the Euro: A survivor's guide.

                Originally posted by metalman View Post
                everyone piles into the biggest boat.

                later the big boat sinks.

                and just try to get anybody to fix the bilgepump

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                  Re: The End of the Euro: A survivor's guide.

                  Originally posted by lektrode View Post
                  and just try to get anybody to fix the bilgepump
                  WWIII will be in effect by then.

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                    Re: The End of the Euro: A survivor's guide.

                    Originally posted by Techdread View Post
                    If the US Dollar is the last standing, how can it go down?

                    I thought currencies get more worthless relatively to each other.
                    In my mind I envision it as a whole bunch of currencies jumping off a tall building about 10 years ago....some are just falling faster or slower relative to the others.

                    Not sure if it's accurate, but that's what the voices in my head are telling me.

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                      Re: The End of the Euro: A survivor's guide.

                      Originally posted by lakedaemonian View Post
                      In my mind I envision it as a whole bunch of currencies jumping off a tall building about 10 years ago....some are just falling faster or slower relative to the others.

                      Not sure if it's accurate, but that's what the voices in my head are telling me.
                      They've been falling so long they convinced themselves they could fly. It's not the fall that hurts, it's the sudden stop at the end. The ground's getting big mighty fast.

                      Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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                        Re: The End of the Euro: A survivor's guide.

                        Originally posted by lektrode View Post
                        and just try to get anybody to fix the bilgepump
                        HA! Made me laugh :-)

                        Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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                          Re: The End of the Euro: A survivor's guide.

                          Originally posted by BillBoard View Post
                          WWIII will be in effect by then.
                          Everyone thinks this, but I fail to see how it will help from an economic standpoint. It's not like we'll experience a big boom in manufacturing again like we did in WWI and WWII. Will war simply be an excuse to print?

                          Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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                            Re: The End of the Euro: A survivor's guide.

                            Originally posted by shiny! View Post
                            Everyone thinks this, but I fail to see how it will help from an economic standpoint. It's not like we'll experience a big boom in manufacturing again like we did in WWI and WWII. Will war simply be an excuse to print?
                            War as we've KNOWN it(conventional state on state warfare) has increased to such a velocity that there is simply no time to industrialize and make stuff, and employ people....the war will be over before the first planning meeting for the new weapons factory is even set, let alone met.

                            But who knows what future conflict will bring for sure......the saying goes nations are all too often preparing to fight the LAST war rather than the NEXT one.

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                              Re: The End of the Euro: A survivor's guide.

                              Originally posted by lakedaemonian
                              War as we've KNOWN it(conventional state on state warfare) has increased to such a velocity that there is simply no time to industrialize and make stuff, and employ people....the war will be over before the first planning meeting for the new weapons factory is even set, let alone met.
                              Yes and no.

                              The ability to destroy key infrastructure today is so much advanced that it is essentially unstoppable.

                              However, the ability to conquer and rule is lower than ever before.

                              The realities behind both are an artefact of modern existence.

                              That's why the US is only able to beat up on 3rd tier militaries; even a 2nd tier military presents unacceptable risk of severe losses. And even for those 3rd tier militaries, what the formal militaries were unable to accomplish, the informal ones have been and continue to do so.

                              Equally so in the past it required significant state effort to fight a war: to gather the logistics, build the equipment, build up armies, etc etc.

                              Today it is quite apparent that small subsegments of the population are perfectly able to build weapons, train, and coordinate without this huge logistics tail.

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