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    This pretty interesting to me. I am thinking I need a lock with a timer installed outside my kitchen:

    When You Eat Matters, Not Just What You Eat ScienceDaily (May 17, 2012) — When it comes to weight gain, when you eat might be at least as important as what you eat. That's the conclusion of a study reported in the Cell Press journal Cell Metabolism published early online on May 17th.




    When mice on a high-fat diet are restricted to eating for eight hours per day, they eat just as much as those who can eat around the clock, yet they are protected against obesity and other metabolic ills, the new study shows. The discovery suggests that the health consequences of a poor diet might result in part from a mismatch between our body clocks and our eating schedules.


    "Every organ has a clock," said lead author of the study Satchidananda Panda of the Salk Institute for Biological Studies. That means there are times that our livers, intestines, muscles, and other organs will work at peak efficiency and other times when they are -- more or less -- sleeping.


    Those metabolic cycles are critical for processes from cholesterol breakdown to glucose production, and they should be primed to turn on when we eat and back off when we don't, or vice versa. When mice or people eat frequently throughout the day and night, it can throw off those normal metabolic cycles.


    "When we eat randomly, those genes aren't on completely or off completely," Panda said. The principle is just like it is with sleep and waking, he explained. If we don't sleep well at night, we aren't completely awake during the day, and we work less efficiently as a consequence.


    To find out whether restricted feeding alone -- without a change in calorie intake -- could prevent metabolic disease, Panda's team fed mice either a standard or high-fat diet with one of two types of food access: ad lib feeding or restricted access.


    The time-restricted mice on a high-fat diet were protected from the adverse effects of a high-fat diet and showed improvements in their metabolic and physiological rhythms. They gained less weight and suffered less liver damage. The mice also had lower levels of inflammation, among other benefits.


    Panda says there is reason to think our eating patterns have changed in recent years, as many people have greater access to food and reasons to stay up into the night, even if just to watch TV. And when people are awake, they tend to snack.


    The findings suggest that restricted meal times might be an underappreciated lifestyle change to help people keep off the pounds. At the very least, the new evidence suggests that this is a factor in the obesity epidemic that should be given more careful consideration.

    "The focus has been on what people eat," Panda said. "We don't collect data on when people eat."
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0517132057.htm

    This article is related (but older)


    That Late-Night Snack: Worse Than You Think

    ScienceDaily (Sep. 3, 2009) — Eat less, exercise more. Now there is new evidence to support adding another "must" to the weight-loss mantra: eat at the right time of day.

    A Northwestern University study has found that eating at irregular times -- the equivalent of the middle of the night for humans, when the body wants to sleep -- influences weight gain. The regulation of energy by the body's circadian rhythms may play a significant role. The study is the first causal evidence linking meal timing and increased weight gain.


    "How or why a person gains weight is very complicated, but it clearly is not just calories in and calories out," said Fred Turek, professor of neurobiology and physiology in the Weinberg College of Arts and Sciences and director of the Center for Sleep and Circadian Biology. "We think some factors are under circadian control. Better timing of meals, which would require a change in behavior, could be a critical element in slowing the ever-increasing incidence of obesity."

    The findings could have implications for developing strategies to combat obesity in humans, as the United States and the world battle what has been called an "obesity epidemic." More than 300 million adults worldwide are obese, including more than a third of American adults.


    Details of the obesity study, which was led by Turek, will be published online Sept. 3 by the journal Obesity.
    "One of our research interests is shift workers, who tend to be overweight," said lead author Deanna M. Arble, a doctoral student in Turek's lab. "Their schedules force them to eat at times that conflict with their natural body rhythms. This was one piece of evidence that got us thinking -- eating at the wrong time of day might be contributing to weight gain. So we started our investigation with this experiment."


    Simply modifying the time of feeding alone can greatly affect body weight, the researchers found. Mice that were fed a high-fat diet during normal sleeping hours gained significantly more weight (a 48 percent weight increase over their baseline) than mice eating the same type and amount of food during naturally wakeful hours (a 20 percent increase over their baseline). There was no statistical difference between the two groups regarding caloric intake or the amount of activity.


    Over a period of six weeks, both groups of mice were allowed to eat as much high-fat diet as they wanted during their daily 12-hour feeding phase. (Much like many humans, mice have a preference for high-fat food.) Since mice are nocturnal, the 12-hour feeding phase was during the day for those fed during normal sleeping hours and during the night for those fed during naturally wakeful hours. Food was not provided during the other 12 hours of their day.


    Our circadian clock, or biological timing system, governs our daily cycles of feeding, activity and sleep, with respect to external dark and light cycles. Recent studies have found the body's internal clock also regulates energy use, suggesting the timing of meals may matter in the balance between caloric intake and expenditure.

    The researchers next plan to investigate the molecular mechanisms behind their observation that eating at the "wrong" time can lead to weight gain.
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0903110800.htm

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    Re: When You Eat Matters, Not Just What You Eat

    Or do you mean install a time based lock to your kitchen door so that the door is locked at certain times of the day?

    lol


    Originally posted by aaron View Post
    This pretty interesting to me. I am thinking I need a lock with a timer installed outside my kitchen:




    This article is related (but older)

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    • #3
      Re: When You Eat Matters, Not Just What You Eat

      This frankly sounds highly suspicious.

      Did our hunter-gatherer ancestors have a nice clock to gauge when to eat their gleanings?

      How exactly would any internal organ evolve to function by a clock?

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        Re: When You Eat Matters, Not Just What You Eat

        Originally posted by c1ue View Post
        This frankly sounds highly suspicious.

        Did our hunter-gatherer ancestors have a nice clock to gauge when to eat their gleanings?

        How exactly would any internal organ evolve to function by a clock?
        Had exactly the same initial response.

        Coming soon to a cell phone near you: the when-to-eat app.

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        • #5
          Re: When You Eat Matters, Not Just What You Eat

          Originally posted by c1ue View Post
          How exactly would any internal organ evolve to function by a clock?
          Exposure to sunlight or lack thereof?

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            Re: When You Eat Matters, Not Just What You Eat

            think it thru. hunter-gatherers had to operate in daylight and sleep at night. even fire and torches would not extend most of this by only a few hours at best.

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              Re: When You Eat Matters, Not Just What You Eat

              Originally posted by d&g
              think it thru. hunter-gatherers had to operate in daylight and sleep at night. even fire and torches would not extend most of this by only a few hours at best.
              So then you're saying that the people who live near the Arctic Circle must be fat only 1/2 the year, because the daylight cycles are so irregular?

              23 hours of daylight in the summer and 2 hours in the winter?

              Lots of easy ways to test this hypothesis: do people use a tanning bed at night diverge from this hypothesis?

              As for mice as the testing vehicle: mice eat at all times, and if anything more at night. Anyone who's lived in a house with mice knows that you hear them rustling around mostly at night, not in the daytime.

              So assigning some daylight thesis to a mouse is more than a little bit of a stretch.

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              • #8
                Re: When You Eat Matters, Not Just What You Eat

                After being personally involved on both sides of the fence for an activity where average weight loss is 11-13kg in the first 10 days, I find it difficult to see much beyond the basic "energy in, energy out" core of body weight management.

                Isn't "energy in/energy out" tipping the wrong way 95% of the problem?

                I understand the concept that overall fitness has an impact on energy burn...the higher the fitness, the higher the muscle mass %, and the higher the recent physical activity, the greater the inactive energy burn. And also that different foods metabolize differently.

                Is there anything that really deserves significant focus for the vast majority of people beyond the basics of energy in/out and eating healthy?

                At times it feels like media/business spend far more time enabling or excusing poor personal behavior thru excessive focus on the inconsequential. People know they're wrong......and need to be told they're wrong.....but they don't want to hear it.

                To me it's a bit like coverage on the comparison in "fuel economy" for your "car" when driving with your windows up, then measuring the difference when the windows are down. Or better yet...people going to the petrol station to top up their tank at night as opposed to the morning.

                Isn't the meat of this conversation about people simply not driving their "cars" enough?

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                • #9
                  Re: When You Eat Matters, Not Just What You Eat

                  Originally posted by c1ue View Post
                  So then you're saying that the people who live near the Arctic Circle must be fat only 1/2 the year, because the daylight cycles are so irregular?

                  23 hours of daylight in the summer and 2 hours in the winter?

                  Lots of easy ways to test this hypothesis: do people use a tanning bed at night diverge from this hypothesis?

                  As for mice as the testing vehicle: mice eat at all times, and if anything more at night. Anyone who's lived in a house with mice knows that you hear them rustling around mostly at night, not in the daytime.

                  So assigning some daylight thesis to a mouse is more than a little bit of a stretch.
                  How many people have ever lived that far up north for the majority of their lives? Human evolution has been going on for a million years. Most of that evolution did not occur at the poles.

                  There is definitely a biological clock:
                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circadian_rhythm

                  Look at the details of the experiments: They ate the same number of calories as the continuous eaters. However, they gained less weight (substantially).

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                    Re: When You Eat Matters, Not Just What You Eat

                    Originally posted by c1ue View Post
                    As for mice as the testing vehicle: mice eat at all times, and if anything more at night. Anyone who's lived in a house with mice knows that you hear them rustling around mostly at night, not in the daytime.

                    So assigning some daylight thesis to a mouse is more than a little bit of a stretch.
                    This difference between mice and humans appears to have been taken into consideration
                    Over a period of six weeks, both groups of mice were allowed to eat as much high-fat diet as they wanted during their daily 12-hour feeding phase. (Much like many humans, mice have a preference for high-fat food.) Since mice are nocturnal, the 12-hour feeding phase was during the day for those fed during normal sleeping hours and during the night for those fed during naturally wakeful hours. Food was not provided during the other 12 hours of their day.

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                    • #11
                      Re: When You Eat Matters, Not Just What You Eat

                      Originally posted by aaron
                      How many people have ever lived that far up north for the majority of their lives? Human evolution has been going on for a million years. Most of that evolution did not occur at the poles.
                      Well, we've got Russia, Canada, Eskimos, Finns, Swedes, Norwegians, etc etc. Tens of millions of people.

                      As for evolution: Nor did it occur in the temperate zones. It occurred in Africa - near the equator.

                      So you're trying to tell me that we're all digestively screwed up because the sun doesn't rise at 6 am and set at 6 pm as it does on the equator? And that's why we're fat?

                      And again, I'm not saying automatically that the conclusion is wrong. What I'm saying is that there are so many inconsistencies in reality vs. the extremely limited experimental situation noted in the paper that it is difficult to assign any real value to said paper's conclusion.

                      As I noted previously - there are so many real life examples of entire populations with different 'light exposures' that it should be trivial to discern a real pattern between obesity and eating schedules, but I am totally unaware of any such relationship.

                      As we speak, in St. Petersburg it is the peak of White Nights where there is sunlight for about 23 hours a day, with the rest being a sort of twilight. I don't notice any undue level of obesity compared to say most parts of the US.

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                        Re: When You Eat Matters, Not Just What You Eat

                        Originally posted by c1ue View Post
                        Well, we've got Russia, Canada, Eskimos, Finns, Swedes, Norwegians, etc etc. Tens of millions of people.

                        As for evolution: Nor did it occur in the temperate zones. It occurred in Africa - near the equator.

                        So you're trying to tell me that we're all digestively screwed up because the sun doesn't rise at 6 am and set at 6 pm as it does on the equator? And that's why we're fat?

                        And again, I'm not saying automatically that the conclusion is wrong. What I'm saying is that there are so many inconsistencies in reality vs. the extremely limited experimental situation noted in the paper that it is difficult to assign any real value to said paper's conclusion.

                        As I noted previously - there are so many real life examples of entire populations with different 'light exposures' that it should be trivial to discern a real pattern between obesity and eating schedules, but I am totally unaware of any such relationship.

                        As we speak, in St. Petersburg it is the peak of White Nights where there is sunlight for about 23 hours a day, with the rest being a sort of twilight. I don't notice any undue level of obesity compared to say most parts of the US.
                        I'm guessing the effects described in this study would relate more to intermittent fasting than to the specific time of day the fasting occurred -- that eating was interspersed with longer stretches of not eating, rather than where the sun was in the sky. And stretches of feast and famine would have been known to our hunter-gathering ancestors. Happy to hear rogermexico's thoughts on this.

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                        • #13
                          Re: When You Eat Matters, Not Just What You Eat

                          It is highly suspicious.

                          I was just watching Dr. Oz on TV the other night and he suggested that people eat/snack every 2 hours continously throughout the day.

                          This is because it lessens some enzyme in our stomach that wants to expand when it is "hungry" and is the cause of over eating at meals.

                          Lots of scientists are grasping at straws just to have something to do.

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                          • #14
                            Re: When You Eat Matters, Not Just What You Eat

                            Originally posted by article
                            "When we eat randomly, those genes aren't on completely or off completely," Panda said. The principle is just like it is with sleep and waking, he explained. If we don't sleep well at night, we aren't completely awake during the day, and we work less efficiently as a consequence.
                            Originally posted by c!ue
                            This frankly sounds highly suspicious.

                            Did our hunter-gatherer ancestors have a nice clock to gauge when to eat their gleanings?

                            How exactly would any internal organ evolve to function by a clock?
                            Certainly the body has natural cycles as mentioned above. What is suspicious about this "efficiency explanation" is that in my opinion it seems backward. Other than in very recent evolutionary times, starvation was a vastly greater danger than obesity. So from the body's standpoint, if eating the same amount food during the day leads to less of the food being stored by the body as fat, this is inefficient and problematic - not the other way around as the article seems to suggest.

                            So if you accept the idea that there are certain times the digestive system is more efficient (wastes less energy) then it would be logical to say that this would be in the around the clock scenario. And that in the 8 hour restricted diet the body is less efficient and therefore loses more energy in the digestion process and can't store as much as fat.

                            There are so many other factors to be considered that it would take a really close look at the study (and someone more knowledgeable) to really judge it.

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                              Re: When You Eat Matters, Not Just What You Eat

                              Originally posted by DSpencer View Post
                              Certainly the body has natural cycles as mentioned above. What is suspicious about this "efficiency explanation" is that in my opinion it seems backward. Other than in very recent evolutionary times, starvation was a vastly greater danger than obesity. So from the body's standpoint, if eating the same amount food during the day leads to less of the food being stored by the body as fat, this is inefficient and problematic - not the other way around as the article seems to suggest.

                              So if you accept the idea that there are certain times the digestive system is more efficient (wastes less energy) then it would be logical to say that this would be in the around the clock scenario. And that in the 8 hour restricted diet the body is less efficient and therefore loses more energy in the digestion process and can't store as much as fat.

                              There are so many other factors to be considered that it would take a really close look at the study (and someone more knowledgeable) to really judge it.

                              Isn't it common knowledge that the fastest way to get fast is to eat supper? Or has the media in America brain washed everyone to believe that it is ok to eat chips before going to bed?

                              lol

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