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  • mayans off by a year? Here Comes the Sunstorm

    well... maybe the 2012 mayan prophecy is off a bit, is the big one coming in 2013 (as EJ is calling)

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...076098508.html

    • Updated May 14, 2012, 9:00 p.m. ET

    Here Comes the Sunstorm

    Electric Grid Is Vulnerable to a Big Solar Blow; Officials Spar Over What to Do

    Originally posted by wsj/tracy
    With a peak in the cycle of solar flares approaching, U.S. electricity regulators are weighing their options for protecting the nation's grid from the sun's eruptions—including new equipment standards and retrofits—while keeping a lid on the cost.
    They are studying the impact of historic sunstorms as far back as 1859 to see if the system needs an upgrade, and encountering a clash of views on how serious the threat is and what should be done about it.
    Among the events they are examining is the Canadian power outage of 1989. On March 13 of that year, five major electricity-transmission lines in Quebec went on the fritz. Less than two minutes later, much of the province was in the dark. The cause: A storm of charged particles from the sun had showered Earth, damaging electrical gear as far away as New Jersey and bringing displays of the aurora borealis, or northern lights, as far south as Texas and Florida.


    The sun is expected to hit a peak eruption period in 2013, and while superstorms don't always occur in peak periods, some warn of a disaster. John Kappenman, a consultant and former power engineer who has spent decades researching the storms, says the modern power grid isn't hardened for the worst nature has to offer. He says an extreme storm could cause blackouts lasting weeks or months, leaving major cities temporarily uninhabitable and taking a massive economic toll.
    "This is arguably the largest natural-disaster scenario that the nation could face," said Mr. Kappenman.
    Mr. Kappenman has consulted for companies that make equipment to harden the grid.
    Others are more cautious in their predictions. "We need to carry out more detailed and more rigorous analysis before we know for sure," said Antti Pulkkinen, a physicist with the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, who is using supercomputers to build models of potential future solar storms based on data that have accumulated for decades.
    Most in the industry say that they don't think the consequences would be so severe but that a lesser event is conceivable and worth preparing for.
    In February, North American Electric Reliability Corp., a government-chartered entity that enforces national standards for the grid, said the likeliest consequence of a strong geomagnetic storm would be blackouts in the affected areas. The storms tend to have a greater impact in northern latitudes, in part because of the nature of Earth's magnetic field. The report said most transformers would stay online, so a blackout would likely last only hours or days.
    Officials of American Electric Power Co., the largest operator of transmission lines in the U.S., and Exelon Corp., one of the nation's largest power generators, have told regulators they are collecting data on what happens during solar storms to assess weak points. "We tend to know what is vulnerable, and we are acting on it," said Michael Heyeck, AEP's senior vice president for transmission.
    In a solar storm, charged particles flare from the sun and hurtle into space. When they collide with Earth, the electricity-transmission system acts like a jumbo antenna, picking up currents created when the particles interact with the planet's magnetic field. Those currents can cause wild voltage fluctuations, overheating and permanent damage to transformers, which zip electricity around the grid. The transformers weigh hundreds of tons each and aren't easily repaired or replaced.
    Regulators have known about the threat of sunstorms for years but have only recently begun to coordinate disparate efforts to study the problem and formulate a response. Sunstorms can also force airlines to reroute flights and can disrupt the operation of commercial satellites and interfere with or damage their power and navigation systems. Military and spy satellites typically are less vulnerable.
    The 1989 Quebec storm didn't cause widespread transformer damage and the outage ended after nine hours. But the two biggest solar storms in recorded history took place in 1859 and 1921, before the development of the modern electricity grid.
    Over several days in August and September 1859, observations of the northern lights were reported as far south as Panama and Cuba, according to historical accounts cited in a 2008 report from the National Academy of Sciences. One article from the time in the Rocky Mountain News said a group of campers in the mountains saw a light so bright that "some of the party insisted it was daylight and began the preparation of breakfast," even though it was just after midnight.
    The 1921 storm, which took place in May, produced similarly large displays and caused widespread problems in the national telegraph system, disrupting service from the Atlantic coast to the Mississippi River. By Mr. Kappenman's reckoning, those events were as much as 10 times as powerful as the 1989 storm.
    The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, which oversees the grid, has begun to look into possible new rules. Chairman Jon Wellinghoff said the four-member commission might require upgrades if it found "the threat was high and the cost was low." Regulators could require the industry to install blocking devices on transformers, for example, or raise the construction standards for high-voltage gear. Or they might take less intrusive action, like ordering more monitoring devices and additional threat assessment. An April 30 conference organized by the commission saw vigorous debate on how quickly the grid needs upgrading.
    "We already know that the danger to society is great enough to warrant taking immediate action," said Peter Vincent Pry, executive director of the Task Force on National and Homeland Security, a group that members of Congress designated to track electrical-grid risks and that supports Mr. Kappenman's conclusions. By Mr. Pry's math, it would cost about $200 million to install blocking devices on existing transformers that serve the 100 largest U.S. cities.
    Others disagree. Frank Koza of PJM Interconnection, which coordinates electricity transmission in 13 states, said the cost could rise to hundreds of millions of dollars if transformers had to be replaced. But at the moment, he said, "no one can provide sufficient evidence that an immediate large-scale investment by the assets owner and government would adequately address the risk."
    Mr. Heyeck of American Electric Power said customers will want that evidence before seeing their electricity bills rise.
    "We've got to recognize that someone out there is paying for all this," he said.
    Write to Ryan Tracy at ryan.tracy@wsj.com
    get yer inverters and batteries now folks... (and some PV might be a good bet too)

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    Re: mayans off by a year? Here Comes the Sunstorm

    A transformer blew in Phoenix during the summer several years ago. We had very little spare capacity in the Valley. It took months to ship a new one here on a giant flatbed truck- I think it came down from Oregon or Washington state. As it slowly crept down the highway (falling off the highway at one point), we were all told to reduce our electrical consumption to avoid rolling brownouts. Air conditioning here in the summer is not optional- it's the difference between life and death. It was a tense summer.

    Since then I've often wondered if Phoenix has gotten extra transformers in case something like that happens again. Losing multiple transformers at once during the summer would be catastrophic. I really wish I could move somewhere where I wouldn't die if I couldn't have electricity.

    Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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    • #3
      Re: mayans off by a year? Here Comes the Sunstorm

      ms shiny!
      one could always take a vacation, ya know - get away from it all?
      drive upstate (higher elev) = cooler, at least?

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        Re: mayans off by a year? Here Comes the Sunstorm

        Originally posted by lektrode View Post
        ms shiny!
        one could always take a vacation, ya know - get away from it all?
        drive upstate (higher elev) = cooler, at least?
        When power goes out, gasoline pumps stop working. You can only go so far on a tank of gas.

        If the worst-case scenario envisioned about the transformers comes true, it won't blow over in a short time. It takes power to make new transformers, more than what can be stored in temporary batteries or generated by emergency diesel-powered generators. If enough transformers are blown at once, there won't be enough power to build new ones. Electricity would be down for years. At least, that's what I've read. Perhaps others here can say if it's true or not.

        Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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          Re: mayans off by a year? Here Comes the Sunstorm

          i wouldnt panic (yet) on this, ms shiny!...
          youre down south and they said the effects would be more acute up north.
          not likely the utilities (never mind the state regulators) would allow the grid to go down for years, or weeks for that matter - it might get frightfully expensive to have bypass/backup diesel fired gens tho - more likely rolling brown/blackouts - why methinks having an inverter and batteries is a very good bet - would mean the diff tween suffering in the dark and the ability to keep ones household operational (tho not airconditioned, need yer own genset for that) in the event of scheduled (and UNscheduled) outages - and in short outages, IMHO, an inverter/batts is a better way to go, as gensets need continual 'exercise' and maintenance (if one expects to have em work when they need em) - the best thing about the inverter plan is one doesnt need to run around in the dark trying to get the genset fired up - good inverters have automatic transfer switches that flip to batts in the blink of an eye (may not even notice the grid went down)

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            Re: mayans off by a year? Here Comes the Sunstorm

            Originally posted by lektrode View Post
            i wouldnt panic (yet) on this, ms shiny!...
            youre down south and they said the effects would be more acute up north.
            not likely the utilities (never mind the state regulators) would allow the grid to go down for years, or weeks for that matter - it might get frightfully expensive to have bypass/backup diesel fired gens tho - more likely rolling brown/blackouts - why methinks having an inverter and batteries is a very good bet - would mean the diff tween suffering in the dark and the ability to keep ones household operational (tho not airconditioned, need yer own genset for that) in the event of scheduled (and UNscheduled) outages - and in short outages, IMHO, an inverter/batts is a better way to go, as gensets need continual 'exercise' and maintenance (if one expects to have em work when they need em) - the best thing about the inverter plan is one doesnt need to run around in the dark trying to get the genset fired up - good inverters have automatic transfer switches that flip to batts in the blink of an eye (may not even notice the grid went down)
            Where can I learn more about this? Link? Going around in the dark doesn't bother me, but a generator can't power the A/C, and no A/C here in the summer is unbearable. My A/C died two summers ago on a Sunday morning. The house started heating up within minutes. Even with box fans blowing, it was 107 degrees in the house for two days. That wasn't even on the hottest days here.

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              Re: mayans off by a year? Here Comes the Sunstorm

              Originally posted by shiny! View Post
              Where can I learn more about this? Link? Going around in the dark doesn't bother me, but a generator can't power the A/C, and no A/C here in the summer is unbearable. My A/C died two summers ago on a Sunday morning. The house started heating up within minutes. Even with box fans blowing, it was 107 degrees in the house for two days. That wasn't even on the hottest days here.
              Think no-electricity survival preparedness - move underground.

              There are some very good reasons why the early settlers on the plains lived in sod houses, dug down about halfway into the ground.

              You might for example think of building an over-sized earth cellar with enough amenities to sleep in.
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                Re: mayans off by a year? Here Comes the Sunstorm

                Originally posted by cobben View Post
                Think no-electricity survival preparedness - move underground.

                There are some very good reasons why the early settlers on the plains lived in sod houses, dug down about halfway into the ground.

                You might for example think of building an over-sized earth cellar with enough amenities to sleep in.
                Good idea. I would do it if I didn't live in a mobile home park. I just need to move someplace temperate that I can afford. That rules out the United States. Sigh.

                Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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                  Re: mayans off by a year? Here Comes the Sunstorm

                  So it's 200 million to protect the 100 largest cities and that's too much unless we have more studies, but 500 million lost on Solyndra is apparently nothing to the mass media and a lot of citizens. Maybe we as a civilization don't deserve to survive. Better look out for yourself. Got guns, food, water. Seriously, get some food that doesn't require refrigeration, some water, some filters, some protection, and have a bug out plan and a place to go to that's liveable. That's just basic common sense anyway. Natural disasters happen without warning and no one is immune.

                  If you want to be scared to death, or maybe into taking action, read "ONE SECOND AFTER" by WILLIAM R. FORSTCHEN. I'm afraid in a worst case scenario there will be no back-up generators except for the fortunate few who run the government. You know we can count on them to take care of themselves while everyone else suffers and dies. The worst part about this is that we have only a few hundred years experience with solar observations so we really can't predict the severity of a solar storm that might occur only once every few hundred years. I had to laugh about the scientist wanting to do more computer modeling before hardening our grid. The fact is a massive solar storm will happen sooner or later, and the cost of not spending a few billion to prepare may be TEOTWAWKI. No electrical grid means no manufacturing, no transport, no water or sewer, primitive medicine, very little farming and no way to move what is produced to where it's needed. The best thing that can be said is that after a year of the grid being down what's left of the population will be able to support itself locally. It's been said that an EMP event is a giant time machine that will throw society back 200 years. Under that level of tech the sustainable population might be as high as 100 million, if God is merciful. But maybe He'll say, "Well, for the last 50 years you people have pushed Me out of your public life: your schools, your government, your own lives, so I'm just going to sit back and let you people handle this one alone. That's what you wanted right?"
                  Last edited by photon555; May 16, 2012, 04:44 PM. Reason: grammar
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                    Re: mayans off by a year? Here Comes the Sunstorm

                    Originally posted by shiny! View Post
                    Good idea. I would do it if I didn't live in a mobile home park. I just need to move someplace temperate that I can afford. That rules out the United States. Sigh.
                    how about areas of western NC or western SC or northern GA. I don't know what you can afford, but there are certainly bargins in some of those areas, with reasonable climate. For example North Wilkesboro, NC.

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                    • #11
                      Re: mayans off by a year? Here Comes the Sunstorm

                      ms shiny! - ifn i was you, i'd be looking at a more northerly trailer 'hood, as theres no way in hell i'd stay where youre at - spent several weekends in tempe a while back (when i was marooned in LA/manhattan bch) - was there over the july4th weekend that year - and it NEVER went below 103degF (at 0400????) - peaked at about 118 - never saw/felt anything like it - my car's a/c was broke, and thot the drive over from LA would kill me if i had broke down along the 10 - would go ALL DAY w/o pee'n - in 110deg wx, no a/c in the car and my back didnt even sweat against the car seat???

                      whoa....

                      was kinda like january's in NH - when the 'montreal express' would blow a foot of fresh completely off wildcat and the temp would drop into the minus-10 range (daytime) - would just put my nose on the window, look outside and wish i could go out and play...

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                        Re: mayans off by a year? Here Comes the Sunstorm

                        Originally posted by lektrode View Post
                        ms shiny! - ifn i was you, i'd be looking at a more northerly trailer 'hood, as theres no way in hell i'd stay where youre at - spent several weekends in tempe a while back (when i was marooned in LA/manhattan bch) - was there over the july4th weekend that year - and it NEVER went below 103degF (at 0400????) - peaked at about 118 - never saw/felt anything like it - my car's a/c was broke, and thot the drive over from LA would kill me if i had broke down along the 10 - would go ALL DAY w/o pee'n - in 110deg wx, no a/c in the car and my back didnt even sweat against the car seat???

                        whoa....

                        was kinda like january's in NH - when the 'montreal express' would blow a foot of fresh completely off wildcat and the temp would drop into the minus-10 range (daytime) - would just put my nose on the window, look outside and wish i could go out and play...
                        Yep, now you know what it's like. I lived in northern NM for many years and didn't like the blizzards there, either. You have it right, living in Hawaii. You must have done something good to be so fortunate.

                        Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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                          Re: mayans off by a year? Here Comes the Sunstorm

                          Originally posted by shiny! View Post
                          Yep, now you know what it's like. I lived in northern NM for many years and didn't like the blizzards there, either. You have it right, living in Hawaii. You must have done something good to be so fortunate.
                          thats debateable, but guess it could be worse (i could still be marooned in LA)

                          but to answer yer question:

                          Originally posted by shiny! View Post
                          Where can I learn more about this? Link? Going around in the dark doesn't bother me, but a generator can't power the A/C, and no A/C here in the summer is unbearable. My A/C died two summers ago on a Sunday morning. The house started heating up within minutes. Even with box fans blowing, it was 107 degrees in the house for two days. That wasn't even on the hottest days here.
                          dont you have a 'swamp cooler' ? (get one if ya dont = evaporative cooler)
                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evaporative_cooler
                          buy one that runs on 120v (and focus on having _everything_ in yer place run on 120v, for my strategy)
                          i dont have any recs on these, since i dont have any experience with em (but looks like i'm about to get some, over in SLC, since the s/o is already scheming on how she's gonna get me over there to work on the new dump)

                          far as how to get some juice goin when the grid goes down:

                          my inverter of choice is the outback2012: http://www.outbackpower.com/products/sinewave_inverter/
                          a full sinewave output (better than most grids) rated at 2000watts continuous, with a 100amp charger.

                          now this unit is typically installed on 'mobile' applications, but works fine in any application, its primary feature being its 'sealed case' so no bugs, dirt, geckos, cockroaches, water (esp seawater) cant get into it - have had mine since 2004, use it daily with flawless performance - but its real benefit is its batter charger, 100amp, fully programable for every parameter - it can be programmed/set for every operating consideration, including time of day: genset interface, grid-drop, batt temp (important in extreme wx conditions) and all of it to precisely what one wants it to be (vs the lower end inverter/chargers having typical 'ranges' of settings)

                          and then, if ya dont already have one, buy a honda eu3000 or at a minimum the eu2000
                          the 3000 should start/run just about anything you have that needs 120v - but the 2000 will be enuf to run the outback's batt charger at max output, so its nicely matched for that.

                          and here's the reason why i suggest having all yer appliances run on 120 - they can all run off the inverter - even yer a/c unit (assuming its uses 120v and less than appx 9000btu or so and/or why i suggest getting a 120v swampcooler = MUCH less power req'd than an a/c unit and should keep you from cookin, at least) - if the genset WONT start it, the outback WILL and then you plug into the genset - the inverter's automatic transfer switch will then jump to the genset and pickup the load without so much as a blink of the lights - this gets kinda wordy/complicated for the purposes of this discussion tho - but its all quite do-able (for about 10grand, including the batts and hookup)

                          then having some PVsolar and a 12vdc refrig and yer all set.
                          Last edited by lektrode; May 21, 2012, 06:15 PM.

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                            Re: mayans off by a year? Here Comes the Sunstorm

                            Thanks for the information... it's very helpful. I had swamp coolers in NM and they worked great, except during the monsoon season. They don't work when relative himidity is over 30-35%. Still, we managed because it seldom got hotter than the 90's. Unfortunately, Phoenix is a lot hotter and more humid than Santa Fe and Albuturkey. Monsoon season starts in mid-June and goes through September.

                            Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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                            • #15
                              Re: mayans off by a year? Here Comes the Sunstorm

                              If the Earth is going to experience the peak of a sunstorm in 2013, then the Earth will receive the peak of a cycle of above normal solar radiation then. That would mean that most areas of the Earth would experience above normal mean temperatures until the solar storm is over.

                              The climate-frauds at the EPA will go onto their CO2 global-warming crusade again, but the real cause of the temporary warming will be this cyclical and temporary solar storm next year.

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