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    from the ftaphaville blog:
    Greed & Fear in Asia’s emerging bubble

    Oct 05 11:41
    by Gwen Robinson

    The exuberant rally in China and other Bric markets since the Fed’s September 18 “panicky easing” has provided the clearest signal yet where the next bubble will form, given the total discrediting of structured finance, More…

    The exuberant rally in China and other Bric markets since the Fed’s September 18 “panicky easing” has provided the clearest signal yet where the next bubble will form, given the total discrediting of structured finance, notes CLSA’s Christopher Wood in the latest issue of his Greed & Fear client newsletter.
    Market dynamics are now set to benefit Asia in the medium term, however bad the news flow is from America. For the worse the US economy becomes, warns Wood, “the more aggressively the Fed will cut rates”.
    This monetary easing will do little to persuade American consumers to borrow more after their recent shock, while banks will be constrained by the burdens they will have to take on to their balance sheets in coming months.
    This is why, in Wood’s view, “sooner or later, America will have to embark on fiscal stimulus with an emphasis on badly needed infrastructure spending”. But Fed easing will further fuel asset reflation in Asia where investors, excluding for now the Japanese, are becoming increasingly willing to buy “risky” assets in their own market, be it equities or real estate.
    This trend is most extreme with China shares where the top-10 stocks listed in Hong Kong now have a combined market capitalisation of US$895bn, notes Wood.
    But the same trend is observable in many other countries in the region even if it is nothing like as dramatic as in China, which never suffered the psychological trauma of the Asian Crisis.
    Rising local investor participation is what is needed to turn Asia from a fundamental-driven rerating story to a red-blooded bull market where greed increasingly drives sentiment, says Wood.
    This “natural transitionary process” is now underway, led by China, he adds.
    Fed easing now will provide a further reflationary stimulus for Asia even though no easing is needed from a domestic Asian inflation standpoint. Indeed, the easing will only serve to put further upward pressure on Asian currencies, necessitating increasing intervention, which it will become increasingly hard for regional central banks fully to sterilise.
    The message is clear. It is a good time to be an Asian stockbroker, notes Wood.
    Meanwhile, he advises, “investors should stay five times overweight Asia ex-Japan markets in a global equity portfolio, which now means that global equity investors should have at least 37 per cent of their global portfolio invested in Asia”.
    Anyone who does not have such a weighting should use further “high-beta” corrections as an opportunity to add to positions in Asia, he adds.
    But what about Japan? It is not geared directly into Asia’s “emerging bubble” story, given its vastly inferior lower trend growth rate, he notes. “But, nor does it face a potentially nasty deflationary deleveraging cycle, which remains the key risk facing America and other consumer-finance driven western economies like Britain”.
    This is because Japan has already been through such a deflationary downturn, notes Wood. It is a defensive market on a relative basis, most particularly the domestic stocks, which investors would be advised to accumulate now. The fundamental situation in Japan is “nothing like as bad as reflected in the current sentiment of investors”, he says.
    The Japanese stock market is “going nowhere” in the big picture unless bank stocks lead the rally as happened in the past few days. Therefore, says Wood, Bank of Japan governor Toshihiko Fukui should now show more courage and use the relative temporary calm in world credit markets to raise the overnight call rate at next week’s BoJ meeting.
    In Wood’s view, global investors should fund an overweight in Japanese domestic stocks by remaining underweight western financial stocks.
    And while the focus is on Asia, Wood turns his eye on destination of the week - Indonesia, which, he says, “has enjoyed its own boom in equity mutual funds as interest rates have collapsed in the past two years”.
    The desire to invest in riskier assets is clear but there is still a lot more potential for money to flow into equities. The overall story on Indonesia remains a positive one, he says, noting that companies there continue to meet earnings expectations while forward earnings expectations “remain healthy”.
    Last edited by FRED; October 05, 2007, 08:48 PM. Reason: Too many links back to the originating site. Only one is needed.

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    Re: Greed & Fear in Asia’s emerging bubble

    This is exactly what we discussed in your "1997" thread (probably the best thread in the whole Itulip) circa a month ago.
    I put some significant money in FXI in mid August and netted 60% profit so far. I guess I should paypal you 1% as an advisory fee.

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      Re: Greed & Fear in Asia’s emerging bubble

      Originally posted by friendly_jacek View Post
      This is exactly what we discussed in your "1997" thread (probably the best thread in the whole Itulip) circa a month ago.
      I put some significant money in FXI in mid August and netted 60% profit so far. I guess I should paypal you 1% as an advisory fee.
      you do better with my advice than i do. i keep waiting for the really big sell-off. but perhaps 8/16 intra-day was it. but if ej's recession call comes true, i would expect a lower low. if....

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        Re: Greed & Fear in Asia’s emerging bubble

        Originally posted by jk View Post
        you do better with my advice than i do. i keep waiting for the really big sell-off. but perhaps 8/16 intra-day was it. but if ej's recession call comes true, i would expect a lower low. if....
        Patience jk. I would expect a test of the August lows in the North American and European markets, at a minimum. As for China, who knows what will happen next. It's sort of like buying the Naz in 4Q 1999, non?

        "Great investors sell - to the market - patience, and the willingness to accept short-term discomfort by taking the opposite side of exactly those trades that speculative, impatient investors most desperately want to make" Dr. John Hussman.

        Now where are the impatient, speculative investors stampeding today?

        In the meantime there are places where the "really big sell-off" may be happening. On the yen trade we talked about on another thread, I've been stirring around in the ashes of Japan - an area that is most definitely not a crowded trade. Wood comments about that above, but goes on to mention that he thinks the Japanese financials lead any recovery in that market. I agree with that view. The largest bank in the world is Japanese, Mitsubishi UFJ, and has an ADR that trades in NY. I bought a bit in August as a combo Japan market recovery (some day, some day...), yen exposure, and greater Asia play (it's not just a Japan domestic) as it's been beat to crap. It won't rocket like jacek's 60% FXI (well done!) but I sleep a bit better at night. It is a financial, the only one I dare hold right now, so maybe I'm not sleeping that well...

        Having made this public, no doubt MTU will drop a cool 45%, while jacek goes on to a 160% gain by next Wednesday, at which point Dr. Hussman's inbox will fill with hate mail, including my transmittal...

        And if the whole world goes completely to hell, I'll wish I'd taken CharlesMacKay's advice and put the whole lot into the monetary metal.
        Last edited by GRG55; October 06, 2007, 04:57 PM.

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          Re: Greed & Fear in Asia’s emerging bubble

          Here is a interesting and divergent opinion about the US vs. developed international markets.

          Richard Rhodes 10/6/07 http://www.decisionpoint.com/TAC/RHODES.html

          0/6/2007: Last week, both the Dow Industrials and the S&P 500 broke out to new highs last week in show of modest strength; but what we find more interesting that this circumstance…is that the foreign markets aren’t outperforming the US large caps. One only need understand that TV commentators; Wall Street strategists and the trading public is enamored with foreign market exposure , whether it be developed markets – or even emerging markets. A majority of incremental funds allocated to US mutual funds have gone towards international funds. This love affair with all things “international” is quite likely coming to a close.

          We’ll simply show the ratio of the S&P 500 large caps (SPY) versus the Morgan Stanley EAFE Index (EFA), which tracks only international stocks. While money has poured into this sector, we find that since April 2006 – the out-performance has been minimal – especially given all the “hoopla.” Too, we find the ratio has formed a bullish wedge bottom, with prices trading right below their 60-week exponential moving average. If prices breakout above this level – then this event would serve as confirmation to us that a multi-year period of international underperformance is ahead.
          When you hear TV commentators or Wall Street strategists opine that the US is decoupling from international stocks; don’t think again – they’re right – but they are wrong given the US is very likely to outperform international stocks. This clearly will catch everyone offsides; which typically happens at major trading inflection points. Attention is to be paid.



          One can go to stockcharts.com and start with the $SPX chart and put in similar parameters for $SPX:EEM (the emerging markets ETF) for weekly and RSI (9), and see that the emerging market are still outperforming the US markets, when or if that will reverse who knows?
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            Re: Greed & Fear in Asia’s emerging bubble

            Originally posted by jk View Post
            you do better with my advice than i do. i keep waiting for the really big sell-off. but perhaps 8/16 intra-day was it. but if ej's recession call comes true, i would expect a lower low. if....
            My take on big sell off is that it wont happen before Chinese Olympics or 2008 elections.
            Is EJ recession call still valid? I thought we are in the poom phase now?

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              Re: Greed & Fear in Asia’s emerging bubble

              Originally posted by friendly_jacek View Post
              My take on big sell off is that it wont happen before Chinese Olympics or 2008 elections.
              Is EJ recession call still valid? I thought we are in the poom phase now?
              ej's backed off a tad, as i read his last comment on the matter. last said the fed might be able to delay recession to qi '08, he'd need to read some other entrails post the employment report.

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                Re: Greed & Fear in Asia’s emerging bubble

                Originally posted by friendly_jacek View Post
                My take on big sell off is that it wont happen before Chinese Olympics or 2008 elections.
                Is EJ recession call still valid? I thought we are in the poom phase now?
                Seems a lot of people think that however. I would wager that any sell off will happen when nobody expects it, "everyone is in", and every last short has thrown in the towel. Just like Naz in March 2000.

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                  Re: Greed & Fear in Asia’s emerging bubble

                  Originally posted by friendly_jacek View Post
                  My take on big sell off is that it wont happen before Chinese Olympics or 2008 elections.
                  Is EJ recession call still valid? I thought we are in the poom phase now?

                  Inflation is so bad in August and September, and at the rate prices are rising, we'll have hyperinflation in China by August 2008. Social unrest already broke out in Burma due to inflation. I don't know about China, but I believe that some regional governments, particularly, the Singapore government will impose unpopular anti-speculation rules to dampen the market before the Beijing Olympics. They are not going to wait till the bubble bursts.

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                    Re: Greed & Fear in Asia’s emerging bubble

                    I've been in LA for a week - and was taking the opportunity to talk with the people I was working with (flew in a person from Russia for training on a new product line I'm importing said country).

                    Interestingly enough - I got 3 hits (out of 7 possible) for people who had bought houses in the last 3 years.

                    All 7 individuals are employed in the beauty industry and are not CEO/manager types - mostly service professionals turned sales reps/sales managers.

                    All 3 had recently bought houses due to the media/cultural hype.

                    All 3 had thought they could never qualify to buy a house, but (surprise surprise) were able to in 2004, 2005, and 2005 respectively.

                    #1: House payment has gone up $500/month in the past year. Has a 2/28 ARM which reset 7 months ago - cannot refinance due to unability to afford fixed rate anyway.

                    #2: House payment has gone up $500/month in the past 6 months. Has a full monthly variable loan based on LIBOR and a 3 year prepayment penalty of which 1 year remains. Ability to qualify for fixed and afford payments in serious question.

                    #3: About to reset. Scared as heck!

                    All 3 have tightened their financial belts and are hoping for rates to go down enough to survive.

                    If these 3 are any indication - the effects of housing on consumer spending have already begun, and the cascade effects of foreclosures are still being held at bay by individual spending reductions.

                    Given this - it seems possible that the spending recession might be here, but the full housing crash recession (employment, etc) is still a ways off.

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                      Re: Greed & Fear in Asia’s emerging bubble

                      Are the 3 from russia or la? For la, isn't subprime problem already what we know?

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                        Re: Greed & Fear in Asia’s emerging bubble

                        Originally posted by c1ue View Post
                        I've been in LA for a week - and was taking the opportunity to talk with the people I was working with (flew in a person from Russia for training on a new product line I'm importing said country).

                        Interestingly enough - I got 3 hits (out of 7 possible) for people who had bought houses in the last 3 years.

                        All 7 individuals are employed in the beauty industry and are not CEO/manager types - mostly service professionals turned sales reps/sales managers.

                        All 3 had recently bought houses due to the media/cultural hype.

                        All 3 had thought they could never qualify to buy a house, but (surprise surprise) were able to in 2004, 2005, and 2005 respectively.

                        #1: House payment has gone up $500/month in the past year. Has a 2/28 ARM which reset 7 months ago - cannot refinance due to unability to afford fixed rate anyway.

                        #2: House payment has gone up $500/month in the past 6 months. Has a full monthly variable loan based on LIBOR and a 3 year prepayment penalty of which 1 year remains. Ability to qualify for fixed and afford payments in serious question.

                        #3: About to reset. Scared as heck!

                        All 3 have tightened their financial belts and are hoping for rates to go down enough to survive.

                        If these 3 are any indication - the effects of housing on consumer spending have already begun, and the cascade effects of foreclosures are still being held at bay by individual spending reductions.

                        Given this - it seems possible that the spending recession might be here, but the full housing crash recession (employment, etc) is still a ways off.
                        Nice report from the front C1ue! It's this sort of stuff that helps connect the dots to see where we are and where we may be going...

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                          Re: Greed & Fear in Asia’s emerging bubble

                          Originally posted by touchring
                          Are the 3 from russia or la? For la, isn't subprime problem already what we know?
                          The 3 (and actually all 7) work for the manufacturing company whose products I now will be distributing into Russia.

                          They don't actually manufacture - they are more like a value add service company (all actual product is created elsewhere to their spec).

                          Wouldn't want to imply that US manufacturing is flourishing ;)

                          Interestingly enough, the ruble's drop below 25 vs. the dollar is helping the business. My prediction to the customer that having a US dollar denominated source would lead into a lower cost product seems to be panning out.

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