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  • Subprime Lending is Back

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/11/bu...rket.html?_r=2

    Annette Alejandro just emerged from bankruptcy and doesn’t have a job, and her car was repossessed last year. Still, after spending her days job hunting, she returns to her apartment in Brooklyn where, in disbelief, she sorts through the piles of credit card and auto loan offers that have come in the mail.

    “Even I wouldn’t make a loan to me at this point,” Ms. Alejandro said.
    In the depths of the financial crisis, borrowers with tarnished credit like Ms. Alejandro were almost entirely shut out by traditional lenders. It was hard enough for people with stellar credit to get loans.

    But as financial institutions recover from the losses on loans made to troubled borrowers, some of the largest lenders to the less than creditworthy, including Capital One and GM Financial, are trying to woo them back, while HSBC and JPMorgan Chase are among those tiptoeing again into subprime lending.

    Credit card lenders gave out 1.1 million new cards to borrowers with damaged credit in December, up 12.3 percent from the same month a year earlier, according to Equifax’s credit trends report released in March. These borrowers accounted for 23 percent of new auto loans in the fourth quarter of 2011, up from 17 percent in the same period of 2009, Experian, a credit scoring firm, said.

    Consumer advocates and lawyers worry that the financial institutions are again preying on the most vulnerable and least financially sophisticated borrowers, who are often willing to take out credit at any cost.

    “These people are addicted to credit, and banks are pushing it,” said Charles Juntikka, a bankruptcy lawyer in Manhattan.
    The banks, for their part, are looking to make up the billions in fee income wiped out by regulations enacted after the financial crisis by focusing on two parts of their business — the high and the low ends — industry consultants say. Subprime borrowers typically pay high interest rates, up to 29 percent, and often rack up fees for late payments.

    Some former banking regulators said they worried that this kind of lending, even in its early stages, signaled a potentially dangerous return to the same risky lending that helped fuel the credit crisis.

    “It’s clear that we are returning to business as usual,” said Mark T. Williams, a former Federal Reserve bank examiner.
    The lenders argue that they have learned their lesson and are distinguishing between chronic deadbeats and what some in the industry call “fallen angels,” those who had good payment histories before falling behind as the economy foundered.

    A spokesman for Chase, Steve O’Halloran, said the bank “seeks to be a careful, responsible lender,” adding that it “is constantly evaluating the risks and costs of funding loans.”

    Regulators with the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, which oversees the nation’s largest banks, said that as long as lenders adhered to strict underwriting standards and monitored risk, there was nothing inherently dangerous about extending credit to a wider swath of people.
    In fact, an increase in lending is a sign that the economy is improving, economists say. While unemployment remains high, consumers have been reducing their debts. Delinquencies on credit card accounts and auto loans are down sharply from their heights in the crisis. “This is a natural loosening of credit standards because the banks feel they can expand again,” said Michael Binz, a managing director at Standard & Poor’s.
    And lenders miss many potential customers if they focus just on people with perfect credit.

    “You can’t simply ignore this segment anymore,” said Deron Weston, a principal in Deloitte’s banking practice.
    The definition of subprime borrowers varies, but is generally considered those with credit scores of 660 and below.
    The push for subprime borrowers has not extended to the mortgage market, which remains closed to all but the most creditworthy.
    Capital One is one lender that has been courting borrowers with damaged credit, even those who have just emerged from bankruptcy, with pitches like, “We want to win you back as a customer.”

    Pam Girardo, a spokeswoman for Capital One, said, “Our strategy is to provide reasonable access to credit with appropriate guardrails in place to ensure consumers stay on track as they rebuild their credit.”

    Ms. Alejandro, 46, was one of the borrowers fresh out of bankruptcy courted by Capital One. So far, she has turned it down

  • #2
    Re: Subprime Lending is Back

    Subprime lending is fine.

    Subprime lending via liar loans, with the pipeline funded by fraudulent structured financial products: not so fine.

    Doesn't sound like the subprime asset-backed securities market is back at all.

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    • #3
      Re: Subprime Lending is Back

      OH yea sure subprime lending to people who cant pay their bills is perfectly fine. No problem here just move along move along.

      It doesnt sound like you read the article at all, just the headline.

      "Credit card lenders gave out 1.1 million new cards to borrowers with damaged credit in December, up 12.3 percent from the same month a year earlier, according to Equifax’s credit trends report released in March. These borrowers accounted for 23 percent of new auto loans in the fourth quarter of 2011, up from 17 percent in the same period of 2009, Experian, a credit scoring firm, said."

      So Americans who do not have enough income are now going out and getting 23% of the new auto loans. When the next down turn happens 23% of auto loans will be delinquent.

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      • #4
        Re: Subprime Lending is Back

        Originally posted by ProdigyofZen View Post
        OH yea sure subprime lending to people who cant pay their bills is perfectly fine. No problem here just move along move along.

        It doesnt sound like you read the article at all, just the headline.

        "Credit card lenders gave out 1.1 million new cards to borrowers with damaged credit in December, up 12.3 percent from the same month a year earlier, according to Equifax’s credit trends report released in March. These borrowers accounted for 23 percent of new auto loans in the fourth quarter of 2011, up from 17 percent in the same period of 2009, Experian, a credit scoring firm, said."

        So Americans who do not have enough income are now going out and getting 23% of the new auto loans. When the next down turn happens 23% of auto loans will be delinquent.

        I read the article, thank you very much.

        Subprime lending preceded the securitized debt market crash; there's a legitimate market for subprime lending, if the risk is assessed honestly and as accurately as possible.

        The article makes a lot of noise about auto loans and credit cards, and it is incredibly stupid to extend such to risky borrowers if lenders aren't doing their due diligence on assessing the risk. But the securitized subprime auto loan and credit card market is a fraction of what the securitized subprime RE market was, and which is now dead. So when I said "Doesn't sound like the subprime asset-backed securities market is back at all," I meant it.

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        • #5
          Re: Subprime Lending is Back

          Chomsky you are lecturing to the choir here. Not sure what your background is but I actually traded distressed debt, MBS, ABS, SLARS etc when I worked on a trading desk.

          I was in the thick of it.

          The article does not state that "subprime securitization market is back" The second page of the article says that credit card securitized is at 30% compared to 60% before the 2008 crisis. The article was posted to show that subprime LENDING is on the rise not securitization. Not even sure why you would bring up securitization.

          And as you say "subprime lending preceded the securitized debt market crash which implies subprime lending was the antecedent to securitization. Thus if the subprime lending in auto and credit card loans continues then the only logical outcome would be an increase in subprime securitization.

          And FYI the subprime asset-backed security market is mostly credit cards, auto loans, aircraft, student loans etc NOT "real estate." Real Estate is MBS not ABS unless you consider HEQ (home equity) as RMBS (Residential Mortgage Backed Securities) which a good fraction of RMBS is HEQ.

          You are confusing the terms. Most people do who are not familiar with the nuiances of the structured product market.

          My apologies if you took my comment as being negative to you, it was not meant to be.

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          • #6
            Re: Subprime Lending is Back

            No problem, all I meant to infer was that, while perhaps stupid, subprime lending isn't likely to be a major macroeconomic problem as it was in the last decade.

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            • #7
              Re: Subprime Lending is Back

              Yep, and I would agree with that. Now everyone is "on to" the subprime game. Hopefully it doesnt happen again.

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              • #8
                Re: Subprime Lending is Back

                +1. The issue is the risk adjustment not the credit worthiness. Good credit ranked as government bonds is going to create a short fall. Heck, I would even not care so much about the short fall with the bank being on the hook. For one they would need to cough up the money, but more importantly they would not risk their own skins. So we would not see excess credit. Now you mention the risk avoidance shell game of bulk securities and default insurance with phony rankings. . Again, as bubble provoking as that is, it was the bailout that has really cooked our goose with treasury swaps from uncle Sam, and artificially inflated bank assets like housing from Uncle Ben.

                Sub Prime was the patsy, scape goat. Yeah , the lowest ranks of our society let us down....In a ponzi scheme all that matters is what the lowest credit worthiness is, not how low it is. If the music stops at good, fair , or bad credit, it really doesn't matter. Only the supply of greater fools matters. Of course lowing the standards does prolong it with more greater fools.

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                • #9
                  Re: Subprime Lending is Back

                  widespread sub-prime lending is anything but "fine" ... unless you've accepted that economic systems cannot function without high risk lending.

                  Sub-prime lending used to be called "loan-sharking"

                  I know I know ... our economy can't function without credit for consumption b/c wages can't keep up with cost of living .... so we have to enable everyone to borrow in order to consume - pretty ludicrous system if you ask me.

                  Let's highlight 2 problems with sub-prime lending:

                  1. from the left: "it preys on the unfortunate/ignorant to make tham debt slaves" ... may be true enough

                  2. from the libertarian: "it allows banks to offset risks to tax-payers and saves" ... true enough now .. just look at 0% interest rates as wealth transfers to lenders from savers and implicit backstop as wealth transfer from taxpayers

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