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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...-over#block-20


    11.22am: Moving to the Greek countryside from the city, though (see last post) is no picnic.
    George Andrianakis, 56,poses with a goat in the yard of his farm in the village of Stafania, Greece. Photograph: Cathal Mcnaughton/Reuters

    This picture shows 56-year-old farmer George Andrianakis, and goat, at his farm in the village of Stafania in the Peloponesse area of Greece. As he told Reuters, profits at the farm (which includes orange and olive trees, sheep and goats) are down by over 50% this year while costs are almost 30% higher.

    11.11am: News in from Athens, where our correspondent Helena Smith says newspapers and television channels this morning all reporting that young Greeks hit hard by the financial crisis are fleeing from the cities to the countryside.

    Some commentators are describing it as a mass exodus. Helena writes:

    It's official: Greece is undergoing a mass internal migration as a result of the economic crisis that has engulfed the nation since December 2009.

    After years of being spurned for the bright lights of big cities, rural areas are making a comeback as unprecedented numbers of unemployed young Greeks move en masse to the countryside encouraged by government stipends to cultivate tracts of land that have been left untended for years. A survey conducted at the behest of the Agricultural Development Ministry by the polling firm Kapa Research found that more than 1.5 million Greeks were considering relocating to rural areas with one in five already having made the move. Around 75 % were under the age of 44 – the group worst hit by joblessness in a nation where more are now out of work than employed.

    A €60bn state-funded program offering plots of land at cheap rates to would-be farmers had been snapped up, said the agriculture minister Costas Skandalides, announcing the findings. The survey showed that the vast majority were willing to earn less for a better quality of life. "More than one million Greeks, most with university and even post graduate degrees, are rejecting prototypes to go back to their roots convinced that it will lead to a better quality of life even if there are less trappings," he averred. "We are witnessing a profound shift in Greek society and lifestyles the extent to which we have yet to grasp."

    In the northern Greek city of Thessaloniki, more than 4,000 trained agronomists have rushed to sign up to an initiate that has seen the town's main university rent out plots of land for cultivation at affordable prices. "I will go and grow rice and cotton," Alexandra Terzidou, one of the graduates, told Skai news. "It's a great opportunity."

    Prior to the research academics had poured over anecdotal evidence of the migration but had been unable to pin point just how big it was.

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    Re: Young Greeks hit hard by the financial crisis are fleeing from the cities to the countryside

    This is really fascinating.

    If it would apply to the US someday, I suppose it is also an indicator of a falling quality of life, as more people give up on the rat race, which becomes winnable only by the rats with inside connections and benefits that come from rigged system, and as many go back to something more like a sustainance existance. To the people escaping the rat race, though, I wonder if they would necessarily nsider a fall in their quality of life.

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      Re: Young Greeks hit hard by the financial crisis are fleeing from the cities to the countryside

      Originally posted by wayiwalk View Post
      This is really fascinating.

      If it would apply to the US someday, I suppose it is also an indicator of a falling quality of life, as more people give up on the rat race, which becomes winnable only by the rats with inside connections and benefits that come from rigged system, and as many go back to something more like a subsistence existence. To the people escaping the rat race, though, I wonder if they would necessarily consider a fall in their quality of life.
      I'm trying to visualize Americans ( or most French people) doing this and it doesn't click. One of the guys interviewed in the linked story was trying to support a family on seven (!) acres of land. Frying pan, meet fire.

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        Re: Young Greeks hit hard by the financial crisis are fleeing from the cities to the countryside

        Hasn't it always been thus? During times of economic expansion and growth people flock to the cities...China & SE Asia but the latest example. However during times of hardship, whether due to war, plague, man-made economic depression, people leave cities for the presumed safety and security of the countryside.

        A close friend of mine who was a young boy living outside Dresden in 1945 has recounted to me his memories of starving people from the bombed out city bringing their previously valuable possessions (furniture, furs, jewelry and, yes, even gold coins) and being unable to trade any of it for potatoes. After the war his father took the family and resettled in South Africa, which is where he grew up. Some years ago I suggested he might want to purchase a few Krugerrands. He surprised me with his decidedly negative reaction, preferring instead to continue to buy rural property. We are all a product of our life experiences...

        (He has also recounted his vivid recollections of hiding in the root cellar during the infamous Feb 1945 bombing raids, and emerging during the second night to witness the city in flames on the horizon)
        Last edited by GRG55; April 06, 2012, 06:09 PM.

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          Re: Young Greeks hit hard by the financial crisis are fleeing from the cities to the countryside

          Originally posted by globaleconomicollaps View Post
          I'm trying to visualize Americans ( or most French people) doing this and it doesn't click. One of the guys interviewed in the linked story was trying to support a family on seven (!) acres of land. Frying pan, meet fire.
          For me, the idea of "moving back to the country" brings fears of a dramatically reduced quality of life and standard of living.......real or imagined....those are the fears I have for my family if a similar crisis erupted here in NZ, as well as for all those folks who are now shifting out of the consumerist lifestyle on the fringes of Europe.

          I wonder how much of a factor the "moving back to the country" in Greece movement is driven by what I perceive to be more robust rural familial support networks?

          A 30-something family moving back to a community where it has exceptionally long and deep familial roots would surely have a bit less risk than a nuclear family with little to no long-term community/familial ties in a small rural community?

          And if true, I wonder how much more effective of a crisis shock absorber it will be for families, communities, and countries where deep familial ties exist compared to those that have "gone nuclear"?

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            Re: Young Greeks hit hard by the financial crisis are fleeing from the cities to the countryside

            Fear of moving back to the countryside?

            Many Chinese can't even move back to the countryside because there is no land. China has 1.4 billion people and only barely over 135 million hectares of arable land - http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ag...anent-cropland

            This works out to only 0.24 acre or 10,000 sq feet per person, hardly enough land even for self-subsistence.

            In comparison, New Zealand has 3.3 million hectares of arable land for a population of 4.3 million people. Works out to 1.9 acre or 83000 sq ft a person!

            By the way, Australia has 50 million hectares and is near to China. ;)



            Originally posted by lakedaemonian View Post
            For me, the idea of "moving back to the country" brings fears of a dramatically reduced quality of life and standard of living.......real or imagined....those are the fears I have for my family if a similar crisis erupted here in NZ, as well as for all those folks who are now shifting out of the consumerist lifestyle on the fringes of Europe.

            I wonder how much of a factor the "moving back to the country" in Greece movement is driven by what I perceive to be more robust rural familial support networks?

            A 30-something family moving back to a community where it has exceptionally long and deep familial roots would surely have a bit less risk than a nuclear family with little to no long-term community/familial ties in a small rural community?

            And if true, I wonder how much more effective of a crisis shock absorber it will be for families, communities, and countries where deep familial ties exist compared to those that have "gone nuclear"?

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              Re: Young Greeks hit hard by the financial crisis are fleeing from the cities to the countryside

              Originally posted by globaleconomicollaps View Post
              I'm trying to visualize Americans ( or most French people) doing this and it doesn't click. One of the guys interviewed in the linked story was trying to support a family on seven (!) acres of land. Frying pan, meet fire.
              http://www.amazon.com/Mini-Farming-S...pr_product_top
              Mini Farming: Self-Sufficiency on 1/4 Acre

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                Re: Young Greeks hit hard by the financial crisis are fleeing from the cities to the countryside

                Originally posted by touchring View Post
                Fear of moving back to the countryside?

                Many Chinese can't even move back to the countryside because there is no land. China has 1.4 billion people and only barely over 135 million hectares of arable land - http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ag...anent-cropland

                This works out to only 0.24 acre or 10,000 sq feet per person, hardly enough land even for self-subsistence.

                In comparison, New Zealand has 3.3 million hectares of arable land for a population of 4.3 million people. Works out to 1.9 acre or 83000 sq ft a person!

                By the way, Australia has 50 million hectares and is near to China. ;)
                We are definitely VERY VERY fortunate in terms of agriculture in NZ.

                Please don't take what I wrote as a complaint or taking for granted our considerable bounty.

                My perspective is from a point where I'm concerned that not enough folks "going back to the land" will be able to produce enough to maintain a decent quality of life and standard of living.

                While we have our stories of bespoke, high quality, high value product coming from small lifestyle blocks I think it is unlikely that enough folks will be able to do the same without an overall average detrimental effect on economic activity/productivity for that particular cohort.

                I'm not an economist......but I am concerned a family living on a lifestyle block(10 acres) will be a 21st century western sustenance farmer.

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