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**Starving Steve** · February 26, 2012, 03:48 PM

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Let's say at L1.359 one can find a litre of gas, in a bargain station. Then if my arithmetic is correct, I would multiply that by 4.55 to get the cost of one imperial gallon of gasoline. That would cost then, L6.183 per imp. gal. Then, if I multiply that by 0.8, I get the cost of one U.S. gallon: L4.946. Then, if I convert the English pounds to U.S. dollars, I multiply 1.55. So one U.S. gallon of petrol costs: L4.946 x 1.55 = $ 7.67 U.S...... And that is at your bargain station, at least from what I can tell......How lovely!

Notice how your metric crap camoflauges what is really happening? And with speed limits, it's the same thing: a big snow job to keep the public blind to how ridiculously low they are. 50 kph = 31 mph; 30 kph = 18.6 mph, etc.... And similarly, British Columbia has converted to metric speed limits, and now one can legally drive 31 mph on freeways and major highways, etc....... Now you know why Americans absolutely refuse to convert to metric anything!

Back to the cost of gasoline (petrol in your English), your housing costs are outrageous. Apparently, you have let these high-density city planners and eco-frauds get away with murder, again keeping the public blind.

Compare the way Brits live to the way Americans live. Compare the houses: the designs and the house sizes. Compare the lot sizes. Compare the front-footages of the lots...... It's like the people of the British Isles are living in the Stone-Age.

Now look at that project to renovate the Battersea Power Plant (eye-sore) in London and into a shopping mall, fine restaurants and housing..... I could not believe it! That eye-sore should have been demolished in 1983, when that power plant was closed.

And the setting of that power plant: rail-yards, freeways, industrial cranes, industrial waterways, warehouses, scrap yards, railroads, etc. And this was the best your city-planners could do? This is their vision of the future for London? This is where you might raise your kids?

I see Piers Morgan had the brains and initiative to emigrate from the U.K. and move to America. He now is the news anchor on world-television from New York City. ( I believe he is on either CNN or CNBC. ) Why don't you all move here, too?

Yes, San Francisco is a pathetic slum, just like London, but at least, SF has the cable cars, the trolleys on Market Street, the Bay views, Treasure Island, Alcatraz, Yerba Buena Island, the historic buildings left over from the Gold-Rush, the Trans-America Tower, the Golden Gate Bridge and the Bay Bridge, the sea fog, the magnificent dining, SF sour-dough bread, progressive people with a liberal vision for the future, the Ferry Building and its clock-tower at the foot of Market Street, the Embarcadero, the Top of the Mark on Nob Hill, The Pacific Commonwealth Club, Chinatown, Seal Rock and its seals, sea-gulls, fabulous sunsets over the Pacific, the gigantic and magnificent Golden Gate Park, etc....... May I ask, aside from Big Ben, Queen Elizabeth II, the Duke of Edinburough, Westminister Abby, and the London Eye, what does London have?

What has happened to the English? Your vision for the future: a pyramid of taxes and taxation schemes, the latest of which is your new climate tax ?

And if this were not enough, you let the eco-frauds pressure your government to stop the drilling in the North Sea, so that your entire country might continue to have an outrageous cost of energy and an outrageous cost of living. The North Sea is bursting with oil, and you let your eco-frauds pressure your govenment to stop the pumping, stop the exploration and the drilling there? No future for your children, and you let the eco-frauds get away with that? ...I am aghast!

And then, if all this were not outrageous enough, you have your climate-frauds and their junk-science about global warming. They brainwash your citizenry daily with propaganda and mis-information in your newspapers..... Your new climate tax is supposed to help prevent global warming...........It would be laughable if it weren't so pathetic!

The English were at their best, just after WWII. They've gone downhill ever since to a pitance of what they once were. The English in the post-war years provided leadership for the world, common-sense, liberalism and vision.

Be sure to visit the Battersea power plant on your computer. You won't believe your eyes: a shopping mall, fine restaurants and housing in and around an empty power plant, set in an industrial yard with heavy industry! See the air photos of the Battersea power plant setting, and see what borders it..... Your city planners and preservationists at work!

"A picture says a thousand words."

(A translation of this comment to U.S. Spanish is available upon request. Una traduccion de este comentario al espanol de los E.E.U.U. esta disponible cuando se soliciten.)

**globaleconomicollaps** · February 26, 2012, 05:29 PM

Re: Mega cheery message to his fellow Brits..........

(UK� 1.50) / liter = 8.93792503 US$ / US gallon

Originally posted by Starving Steve View Post

Let's say at L1.359 one can find a litre of gas, in a bargain station. Then if my arithmetic is correct, I would multiply that by 4.55 to get the cost of one imperial gallon of gasoline. That would cost then, L6.183 per imp. gal. Then, if I multiply that by 0.8, I get the cost of one U.S. gallon: L4.946. Then, if I convert the English pounds to U.S. dollars, I multiply 1.55. So one U.S. gallon of petrol costs: L4.946 x 1.55 = $ 7.67 U.S...... And that is at your bargain station, at least from what I can tell......How lovely!

**davidstvz** · February 27, 2012, 12:06 AM

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Yeah, I did the math roughly early and got about 9 bucks a gallon. Painful.

**Thailandnotes** · February 27, 2012, 02:26 AM

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Comparing the US to Europe on gas is silly. Half of Europeans don't own cars. Those that do drive a fraction of the miles/kilometers that Americans do, filling their tanks once a month or even less often. It's apples and mangoes.

**sunpearl71** · February 27, 2012, 02:41 AM

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Originally posted by Thailandnotes View Post

Comparing the US to Europe on gas is silly. Half of Europeans don't own cars. Those that do drive a fraction of the miles/kilometers that Americans do, filling their tanks once a month or even less often. It's apples and mangoes.

Good point re: the distances covered.

Another key factor is the smaller engines favoured in Europe, a typical family hatchback has a smaller 1.6 litre engine.

**thunderdownunder** · February 27, 2012, 03:10 AM

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Mega I haven't posted in a while but this should be worthy for you to read
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...-of-money.html
Now what dis the Iron lady say ....... "Socialism is great till you run out of other peoples money"
Well that time appears to be Now

**llanlad2** · February 27, 2012, 09:40 AM

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One of the main reasons for high gas prices in UK is that it has a high tax duty which accounts for 50% of its sale price approx (when sales tax is included).
But what this also means is that although gas at the pump has more or less trebled since 2000 in the US it has only doubled in the UK which means increasing oil prices don't have the same impact on overall price as in the US.

**Starving Steve** · February 27, 2012, 11:14 AM

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Originally posted by Thailandnotes View Post

Comparing the US to Europe on gas is silly. Half of Europeans don't own cars. Those that do drive a fraction of the miles/kilometers that Americans do, filling their tanks once a month or even less often. It's apples and mangoes.

Half of the population not owning cars and dependent upon public transportation is another reason to clear-out of Europe, especially the UK.

This is a vision thing. The British, and perhaps the rest of the Europeans too, have lost their vision; they don't think big, and they don't put freedom first..... Do you understand the importance of what I am saying?

There is a reason why this side of the pond, we call busses, "the loser-cruiser". And the people who ride them--- I won't even get into that discussion here.

Do check-out that Battersea power station. That's the way you plan cities? People to live in new housing next to that eye-sore, the abandoned power station, in an area of heavy industry, warehouses, railroad yards and junk yards? Twenty-first century Londoners to live, dine and shop in/at the Battersea in order that they might be energy efficient and not affect the climate?

**llanlad2** · February 27, 2012, 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by Starving Steve View Post

Half of the population not owning cars and dependent upon public transportation is another reason to clear-out of Europe, especially the UK.

This is a vision thing. The British, and perhaps the rest of the Europeans too, have lost their vision; they don't think big, and they don't put freedom first..... Do you understand the importance of what I am saying?

There is a reason why this side of the pond, we call busses, "the loser-cruiser". And the people who ride them--- I won't even get into that discussion here.

A vision thing? They lack vision in New York do they? Where less than 50% of the population have a car. And even less use one to get to work. This is a population density thing. Not a vision thing.

How about Vancouver?

Vehicle Ownership and Use

Car ownership has increased overall in the City of Vancouver, from about 267,000 vehicles in 1991 to 312,000 in 2006; an increase of 17%. However, during the same period (1991 to 2006) population increased from 472,000 to 578,000, a 23% increase. This means that vehicle ownership per resident fell from 0.57 to 0.54; this is the opposite of what has happened in Metro Vancouver as a whole over the same period, where there are more vehicles per person.

In addition to reduced vehicle ownership, Vancouver residents that own vehicles are driving less. According to ICBC AirCare data the average distance driven by city residents fell from 20,700 km per year in 1993 to 14,800 km in 2002.

It's the US that has had faulty vision , building population centers totally dependent on the car, or population centers in the middle of deserts. Out of town suburbs will be the slums of the future.

**Kcim67** · February 27, 2012, 06:19 PM

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States with sovereign currencies don't run out of money and this is not debauchery when every other fucker is at it as well and you keep all those Jet fighters, laser guided bombs and hell fire missiles to aid you in looting the rest of the world Bobby Brown was wrong more than two can play that game!

**globaleconomicollaps** · February 27, 2012, 06:30 PM

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Originally posted by Thailandnotes View Post

Comparing the US to Europe on gas is silly. Half of Europeans don't own cars. Those that do drive a fraction of the miles/kilometers that Americans do, filling their tanks once a month or even less often. It's apples and mangoes.

This is emphatically not what I have observed

**metalman** · February 27, 2012, 07:18 PM

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man... whatever happened to the old itulip? comments read like zerocred & max & every other shit site now.

**Starving Steve** · February 27, 2012, 08:53 PM

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Britain from WWII and in the post-war years had the likes of such outstanding leaders, progressives and visionaries as:

General George Montgomery, Sir Winston Churchill, Clement Attlee, and Sir William Beveridge....

Gen. Montgomery helped to defeat Hitler and the nazis in WWII. Sir Winston Churchill was not only a leader in the fight against Hitlerism during WWII, he was also an architect of the post-WWII new Europe. Churchill was also a citizen of the United States, and his bust is in the White House, just outside President Obama's office. Clement Attlee helped to implement the social reforms in Britain, such as the National Health Plan. And Sir William Beveridge wrote the Beveridge Report to show the government in the UK how to engineer "The Freedom from Want" after the Great Depression.

Compare these leaders, heros, visionaries and progressives to the human-garbage running the UK to-day: the eco-frauds, the climate-frauds, the high-density city planners, the Battersea preservationists, the environmentalists, the windmill and solar panel bunch, the Islamists, the sympathizers with Iran, the idiots who supported the so-called, "Arab spring" and called that "a move toward democracy", the old Keynesian economists, the de-valuationists, the government regulators, the snobs, not to mention the architects of the nation's new climate tax to prevent global warming.

**Thailandnotes** · February 27, 2012, 09:13 PM

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All arguments about energy use are hopelessly oversimplified. That said...

In many European cities you can live comfortably without a car. Amsterdam, Prague, and many others come to mind. In the US, going without a car is possible in only a handful. Think about trying to do it in Atlanta and you burst out laughing. In the right urban setting, living without a car is a luxury. A rise in gas prices bites Americans hard and quickly. Not so for the average European. They do own fewer cars per capita and per household. They consume a lot less gas in personal vehicles and a lot less energy at home. A North Carolina niece who just turned 16 in a decidedly middle class family received a car for her birthday. Americans live in big houses, drive big cars, and have big water heaters and big refrigerators (30% of households own a second fridge or freezer). Kids who live less than a mile from school no longer walk. (http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthr...740#post221740)

A few years ago I would have been preaching to the choir.

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