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    Contrarian Madness! Trade Up Your Euro and Canuck Bucks for Cheap U.S. Large-Caps


    Today's comment is by Eric Roseman, Investment Director & Editor of Commodity Trend Alert.

    Dear Reader,

    I think this article will definitely raise some eyebrows today, but I've got tell you how I feel just the same.

    U.S. large-cap stocks are probably one of the best bargains in the world today, and not just for local currency investors in the United States. For European investors, including British sterling-based and Canadian dollar-based investors, American multinationals are literally one of the best deals of the decade. And they're getting cheaper by the day as the U.S dollar continues to slide.

    The American buck is now trading at a 15-year low versus major world currencies. The slumping buck is also at par-value vis-à-vis the Canadian dollar for the first time since 1976.

    The Best Bargains in the World Today



    S&P 500 Looks MUCH Better in Dollars

    The above chart of the S&P 500 Index shows the value of the broader market expressed in dollars. But if we converted the same chart to euros, the cumulative 36% total return since September 2004 would be reduced to just 24% in euro terms. Over the last 12 months, the same index has gained 13.5% in dollars. But it's only 3.2% in euro, as the dollar's been dropping.

    The Canadian dollar has soared more than 60% since hitting a 125-year low six years ago versus the greenback. So for Canadian dollar investors, American stocks look even cheaper.

    The Canadian dollar has gained a cumulative 26% since September 2004. If a Canadian dollar-based investor bought the broader market in the United States three years ago, his resulting net gain would be just 10% after adjusting for the Canadian dollar rally.

    You Want the "Other Guy's" Currency to Be Cheap

    The best time to buy stocks in a foreign market is when your currency is expensive and the target market stocks are undervalued in local currency terms. That's the case now with stocks in the United States, Japan and most fast-growing markets in Asia and even parts of Africa.

    Over the next 12 months, the U.S. broader market is going to post double-digit gains. This is going to shock most investors who are still bearish on the U.S. economy in general. Historically, stock market declines have preceded economic recessions. But thus far, stocks are just 2% from their all-time highs. Credit spreads are still tight and commodities prices are soaring - hardly a macro environment for a recession.

    U.S. stocks are the bargain of the decade for foreign investors because the dollar is dirt-cheap and earnings are still growing. As a result, American multinationals will yield a bonanza from overseas corporate earnings over the next few quarters following a U.S. dollar nosedive.

    Call me contrarian, but 12 months from now, you'll be happy you sold some expensive euro and Canadian dollars for undervalued U.S. blue-chip stocks.

    ERIC ROSEMAN

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    Re: Contrarian Madness! Trade Up Your Euro and Canuck Bucks for Cheap U.S. Large-Caps

    Agreed.

    My initial reply was simply "agreed" as posted above but then I received an error message that told me my post was too short and had to be at least 10 characters. I thought Lukesters post said it all and brevity was in order but now i am doing this ,extra typing to make the server happy. Cheers!


    But now that I am in a typing mood I will go on to say that on this forum,we discuss a lot about the real repository of value in this world, the general assumption being commodities. I say, the ultimate source of value is human talent and the companies that can leverage human talent the most will outperform.

    Don't count out the mega cap global players. There is a reason they got to be so big in the first place.

    Greg
    Greg

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    • #3
      Re: Contrarian Madness! Trade Up Your Euro and Canuck Bucks for Cheap U.S. Large-Caps

      Originally posted by BiscayneSunrise View Post
      I say, the ultimate source of value is human talent and the companies that can leverage human talent the most will outperform.

      Don't count out the mega cap global players. There is a reason they got to be so big in the first place.
      On this theme, I think we should look for smaller multinational companies. Specifically, a company which is cross-pollinating management techniques from different cultures/regions is likely to do relatively well. I like Macquarie Infrastructure Trust (MIC) for this reason, as well as Delhaize Group (DEG). Bank of Ayudhya (BAY.BK) in Thailand is a third example.

      Any others?

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      • #4
        Re: Contrarian Madness! Trade Up Your Euro and Canuck Bucks for Cheap U.S. Large-Caps

        I'm waiting for the following stocks to drop, expecting (more like hoping?) a true market correction will bring them into my buy zone:

        JNJ (below 60/share)
        MO (below 65/share)
        MMM (below 82/share)
        MRK (below 45/share)
        GE (below 37/share)

        These are my 5 favorite non-commodity based US multinational blue chips. On top of that I track a ton of oil stocks I would love to own but I just see a correction, oil will get hit big if/when recession comes.

        One more:
        PG (below 60/share)

        I believe PG is overvalued, it is a great company but it's p/e too high and dividend yield too low compared to JNJ. Probably fairly valued more in the low to mid 50's.

        In any case it's a great argument, these are all high quality companies with strong brands, and the US dollar tanked has made it probably more attractive to convert your euros and pounds to dollars to buy some of these, as it looks like by all means those euros and pounds will be depreciating very soon along with us dollars.

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        • #5
          Re: Contrarian Madness! Trade Up Your Euro and Canuck Bucks for Cheap U.S. Large-Caps

          The thesis here seems to be that US large caps will do well enough over the short-term to offset any further dollar decline... am I right?

          Well, how likely is that? With recession looming in the US, hopes for more advances in the market seem to depend on either a final blow-off phase in which institutions sell to retail investors, or else a New Era of "decoupling" in which US firms no longer have exposure to the domestic economy. Not sure I buy either of those arguments.

          Euro investors should wait until recession is fully priced into US stocks and the Fed rate cycle is approaching bottom. Don't try to catch a falling knife...

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          • #6
            Re: Contrarian Madness! Trade Up Your Euro and Canuck Bucks for Cheap U.S. Large-Caps

            Originally posted by unlucky View Post
            The thesis here seems to be that US large caps will do well enough over the short-term to offset any further dollar decline... am I right?

            Well, how likely is that? With recession looming in the US, hopes for more advances in the market seem to depend on either a final blow-off phase in which institutions sell to retail investors, or else a New Era of "decoupling" in which US firms no longer have exposure to the domestic economy. Not sure I buy either of those arguments.

            Euro investors should wait until recession is fully priced into US stocks and the Fed rate cycle is approaching bottom. Don't try to catch a falling knife...
            I disagree. market arbitration will make sure the US equity levels will be corrected for falling USD.
            You forget that market looks ahead at future and not present. True, you can't predict future and thus violent market swings.
            BTW, recession was fully priced into US stocks on August 16, 2007, that was THE investing opportunity. Now, recovery is being priced into global stocks. US stocks will be also supported by foreign central reserves buying as Americans are giving away their hard assets in exchange for Chinese junk and Saudi oil.

            BTW, what falling knife? You mean flying kite for over a month now?
            Last edited by friendly_jacek; September 27, 2007, 10:36 AM.

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            • #7
              Re: Contrarian Madness! Trade Up Your Euro and Canuck Bucks for Cheap U.S. Large-Caps

              Well, so much for "decoupling":

              http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/mai...bcngold127.xml[

              Quote:

              Goldman Sachs tiptoeing into the bear camp


              Mr Berezin said the Goldman's "decoupling" thesis was based on the assumption that the US housing slump was a "country-specific-shock" that would not spill over into other economies. This was now in doubt.
              "The spread of global credit risks has introduced a new potential transmission mechanism. If home prices in the key economies begin to fall, this will have an adverse effect on global growth," he said.
              quote=friendly_jacek;16783]
              BTW, what falling knife? You mean flying kite for over a month now?[/quote]

              I meant USD. Granted, not true for US equities which are recently flattish from a Euro perspective. However the risks to USD and US equities are not off-setting, they are compounding, since they derive from the same problem: recession in the US. Therefore I think the original argument, "falling USD makes US large caps good value", is invalid.

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              • #8
                Re: Contrarian Madness! Trade Up Your Euro and Canuck Bucks for Cheap U.S. Large-Caps

                Originally posted by unlucky View Post
                The thesis here seems to be that US large caps will do well enough over the short-term to offset any further dollar decline... am I right?

                Well, how likely is that? With recession looming in the US, hopes for more advances in the market seem to depend on either a final blow-off phase in which institutions sell to retail investors, or else a New Era of "decoupling" in which US firms no longer have exposure to the domestic economy. Not sure I buy either of those arguments.

                Euro investors should wait until recession is fully priced into US stocks and the Fed rate cycle is approaching bottom. Don't try to catch a falling knife...
                My thesis is that large companies with large international exposure (hence the term "multinational") are positioned best to 1. Benefit from further dollar devaluation and 2. To weather economic downturns.

                It is my belief that the companies I have stated are the ones that will best do that (and aren't as sensitive directly to oil and commodities). Not all companies are created equal. I sure as hell wouldn't want to be in Cisco during a downturn (IT is one of the first things that gets cut from budgets).

                Also, as a value-slanted investor, I would not advise buying anything directly now, but I agree - best to wait until a 1987 style blowoff, or at least a significant correction. I further agree that we should wait until recession is priced into stocks, which may come soon if economic data determine that we are indeed in recession.

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                • #9
                  Re: Contrarian Madness! Trade Up Your Euro and Canuck Bucks for Cheap U.S. Large-Caps

                  Originally posted by DemonD
                  My thesis is that large companies with large international exposure (hence the term "multinational") are positioned best to 1. Benefit from further dollar devaluation and 2. To weather economic downturns.
                  DD,

                  Couple of things to think about:

                  1) International exposure was a great predictor of good stocks to invest in during the (German) Weimar era.

                  Germany, however, has never been even close to the biggest economy in the world.

                  Have you really looked closely at what is the % international exposure in those companies you've noted? The drug companies make 2/3rds of their profits outside of the US, but they have as an aggregate less than 45% of revenues.

                  A major change in the US economy might well offset the foreign exchange benefit depending on the specific drug company being above or below average.

                  2) The big companies will most likely stay in business - but if we have inflation then you'll need growth to maintain purchasing power parity.

                  Normally speaking the growth companies are the ones who traditionally do well in inflationary periods - because they are able to grow, they are better able to pass on price increases since it is new customers buying, not well-conditioned existing ones.

                  Secondly what is your view on valuations? You've said this is not a good time to buy - but how much delta would bring back 'good'?

                  If we have artificially low appearing P/E ratios due to corporate financial shenanigans, plus at/past peak in corporate earnings as a percentage of the economy in this business cycle, this would seem to indicate that any large cap stock has significant downside risk just due to earnings compression.

                  This earnings compression thesis argues that it would take a full bear market (i.e. 40%+ downturn) to return to historical average levels on earnings as a percentage of the economy - or a combination of earnings reduction and market cap reduction equalling 40%.

                  I ascribe to this thesis - do you see now why I am 90% trading?

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                  • #10
                    Re: Contrarian Madness! Trade Up Your Euro and Canuck Bucks for Cheap U.S. Large-Caps

                    clue, i completely agree with your take. Valuations are too high (but aren't obscene... this is why stocks are a decent hedge because this could be like year 2000 or it could be more like 1998 - impossible to say for sure. This means we could have ::gasp:: another bubble in stocks.)

                    as far as when is the right time to buy, I would say if the dow drops more than 20% across the board (to the 10,000 - 11,000 level). The dow is made up of stocks that are not as volatile, so we'd probably see 40% drops in other areas like the nasdaq and 30% in s&p.

                    and yes, i agree, if you are good at profiting from volatility, now is a great time to be at it.

                    I remember also though in 1998 there was talk about buffett being kind of dumb for not doing tech, and adding wmt and ko etc., but then after 2000-02 he looked like a genius. It's that same principle I'm invoking here.

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