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    By L. ALAN SROUFE

    THREE million children in this country take drugs for problems in focusing. Toward the end of last year, many of their parents were deeply alarmed because there was a shortage of drugs like Ritalin and Adderall that they considered absolutely essential to their children’s functioning.

    But are these drugs really helping children? Should we really keep expanding the number of prescriptions filled?
    In 30 years there has been a twentyfold increase in the consumption of drugs for attention-deficit disorder.

    As a psychologist who has been studying the development of troubled children for more than 40 years, I believe we should be asking why we rely so heavily on these drugs.

    Attention-deficit drugs increase concentration in the short term, which is why they work so well for college students cramming for exams. But when given to children over long periods of time, they neither improve school achievement nor reduce behavior problems. The drugs can also have serious side effects, including stunting growth.

    Sadly, few physicians and parents seem to be aware of what we have been learning about the lack of effectiveness of these drugs.

    What gets publicized are short-term results and studies on brain differences among children. Indeed, there are a number of incontrovertible facts that seem at first glance to support medication. It is because of this partial foundation in reality that the problem with the current approach to treating children has been so difficult to see.

    Back in the 1960s I, like most psychologists, believed that children with difficulty concentrating were suffering from a brain problem of genetic or otherwise inborn origin. Just as Type I diabetics need insulin to correct problems with their inborn biochemistry, these children were believed to require attention-deficit drugs to correct theirs. It turns out, however, that there is little to no evidence to support this theory.

    In 1973, I reviewed the literature on drug treatment of children for The New England Journal of Medicine. Dozens of well-controlled studies showed that these drugs immediately improved children’s performance on repetitive tasks requiring concentration and diligence. I had conducted one of these studies myself. Teachers and parents also reported improved behavior in almost every short-term study. This spurred an increase in drug treatment and led many to conclude that the “brain deficit” hypothesis had been confirmed.

    But questions continued to be raised, especially concerning the drugs’ mechanism of action and the durability of effects. Ritalin and Adderall, a combination of dextroamphetamine and amphetamine, are stimulants. So why do they appear to calm children down? Some experts argued that because the brains of children with attention problems were different, the drugs had a mysterious paradoxical effect on them.

    However, there really was no paradox. Versions of these drugs had been given to World War II radar operators to help them stay awake and focus on boring, repetitive tasks. And when we reviewed the literature on attention-deficit drugs again in 1990 we found that all children, whether they had attention problems or not, responded to stimulant drugs the same way. Moreover, while the drugs helped children settle down in class, they actually increased activity in the playground. Stimulants generally have the same effects for all children and adults. They enhance the ability to concentrate, especially on tasks that are not inherently interesting or when one is fatigued or bored, but they don’t improve broader learning abilities.

    And just as in the many dieters who have used and abandoned similar drugs to lose weight, the effects of stimulants on children with attention problems fade after prolonged use. Some experts have argued that children with A.D.D. wouldn’t develop such tolerance because their brains were somehow different. But in fact, the loss of appetite and sleeplessness in children first prescribed attention-deficit drugs do fade, and, as we now know, so do the effects on behavior. They apparently develop a tolerance to the drug, and thus its efficacy disappears. Many parents who take their children off the drugs find that behavior worsens, which most likely confirms their belief that the drugs work. But the behavior worsens because the children’s bodies have become adapted to the drug. Adults may have similar reactions if they suddenly cut back on coffee, or stop smoking.

    TO date, no study has found any long-term benefit of attention-deficit medication on academic performance, peer relationships or behavior problems, the very things we would most want to improve. Until recently, most studies of these drugs had not been properly randomized, and some of them had other methodological flaws.

    But in 2009, findings were published from a well-controlled study that had been going on for more than a decade, and the results were very clear. The study randomly assigned almost 600 children with attention problems to four treatment conditions. Some received medication alone, some cognitive-behavior therapy alone, some medication plus therapy, and some were in a community-care control group that received no systematic treatment. At first this study suggested that medication, or medication plus therapy, produced the best results. However, after three years, these effects had faded, and by eight years there was no evidence that medication produced any academic or behavioral benefits.

    Indeed, all of the treatment successes faded over time, although the study is continuing. Clearly, these children need a broader base of support than was offered in this medication study, support that begins earlier and lasts longer.

    Nevertheless, findings in neuroscience are being used to prop up the argument for drugs to treat the hypothesized “inborn defect.” These studies show that children who receive an A.D.D. diagnosis have different patterns of neurotransmitters in their brains and other anomalies. While the technological sophistication of these studies may impress parents and nonprofessionals, they can be misleading. Of course the brains of children with behavior problems will show anomalies on brain scans. It could not be otherwise. Behavior and the brain are intertwined. Depression also waxes and wanes in many people, and as it does so, parallel changes in brain functioning occur, regardless of medication.

    Many of the brain studies of children with A.D.D. involve examining participants while they are engaged in an attention task. If these children are not paying attention because of lack of motivation or an underdeveloped capacity to regulate their behavior, their brain scans are certain to be anomalous.

    However brain functioning is measured, these studies tell us nothing about whether the observed anomalies were present at birth or whether they resulted from trauma, chronic stress or other early-childhood experiences. One of the most profound findings in behavioral neuroscience in recent years has been the clear evidence that the developing brain is shaped by experience.

    It is certainly true that large numbers of children have problems with attention, self-regulation and behavior. But are these problems because of some aspect present at birth? Or are they caused by experiences in early childhood? These questions can be answered only by studying children and their surroundings from before birth through childhood and adolescence, as my colleagues at the University of Minnesota and I have been doing for decades.

    Since 1975, we have followed 200 children who were born into poverty and were therefore more vulnerable to behavior problems. We enrolled their mothers during pregnancy, and over the course of their lives, we studied their relationships with their caregivers, teachers and peers. We followed their progress through school and their experiences in early adulthood. At regular intervals we measured their health, behavior, performance on intelligence tests and other characteristics.

    By late adolescence, 50 percent of our sample qualified for some psychiatric diagnosis. Almost half displayed behavior problems at school on at least one occasion, and 24 percent dropped out by 12th grade; 14 percent met criteria for A.D.D. in either first or sixth grade.

    Other large-scale epidemiological studies confirm such trends in the general population of disadvantaged children. Among all children, including all socioeconomic groups, the incidence of A.D.D. is estimated at 8 percent. What we found was that the environment of the child predicted development of A.D.D. problems. In stark contrast, measures of neurological anomalies at birth, I.Q. and infant temperament — including infant activity level — did not predict A.D.D.

    Plenty of affluent children are also diagnosed with A.D.D. Behavior problems in children have many possible sources. Among them are family stresses like domestic violence, lack of social support from friends or relatives, chaotic living situations, including frequent moves, and, especially, patterns of parental intrusiveness that involve stimulation for which the baby is not prepared. For example, a 6-month-old baby is playing, and the parent picks it up quickly from behind and plunges it in the bath. Or a 3-year-old is becoming frustrated in solving a problem, and a parent taunts or ridicules. Such practices excessively stimulate and also compromise the child’s developing capacity for self-regulation.

    Putting children on drugs does nothing to change the conditions that derail their development in the first place. Yet those conditions are receiving scant attention. Policy makers are so convinced that children with attention deficits have an organic disease that they have all but called off the search for a comprehensive understanding of the condition. The National Institute of Mental Health finances research aimed largely at physiological and brain components of A.D.D. While there is some research on other treatment approaches, very little is studied regarding the role of experience. Scientists, aware of this orientation, tend to submit only grants aimed at elucidating the biochemistry.

    Thus, only one question is asked: are there aspects of brain functioning associated with childhood attention problems? The answer is always yes. Overlooked is the very real possibility that both the brain anomalies and the A.D.D. result from experience.

    Our present course poses numerous risks. First, there will never be a single solution for all children with learning and behavior problems. While some smaller number may benefit from short-term drug treatment, large-scale, long-term treatment for millions of children is not the answer.

    Second, the large-scale medication of children feeds into a societal view that all of life’s problems can be solved with a pill and gives millions of children the impression that there is something inherently defective in them.

    Finally, the illusion that children’s behavior problems can be cured with drugs prevents us as a society from seeking the more complex solutions that will be necessary. Drugs get everyone — politicians, scientists, teachers and parents — off the hook. Everyone except the children, that is.

    If drugs, which studies show work for four to eight weeks, are not the answer, what is? Many of these children have anxiety or depression; others are showing family stresses. We need to treat them as individuals.

    As for shortages, they will continue to wax and wane. Because these drugs are habit forming, Congress decides how much can be produced. The number approved doesn’t keep pace with the tidal wave of prescriptions. By the end of this year, there will in all likelihood be another shortage, as we continue to rely on drugs that are not doing what so many well-meaning parents, therapists and teachers believe they are doing.

    L. Alan Sroufe is a professor emeritus of psychology at the University of Minnesota’s Institute of Child Development.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/29/op...-term.html?hpw

  • #2
    Re: Ritalin Gone Wrong

    Although ADHD is clearly over-diagnosed and the drugs over-prescribed, I do believe it is inherited and present in 3 -5 percent of children...

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/...68S5UD20100930

    "The study also showed an overlap between the deleted or duplicated DNA segments, known as copy number variants (CNVs), and genetic variants linked to the brain disorders autism and schizophrenia -- providing what the scientists said was "strong evidence" that ADHD is a neurodevelopmental condition.

    "The Cardiff team analyzed the genomes of 366 children with ADHD and compared them with 1,047 samples from children without ADHD to try to find variations in their genetic make-up.

    "The findings, published in The Lancet medical journal, showed that rare CNVs were almost twice as common in children with ADHD compared to the other children.

    "Nigel Williams, who also worked on the study, noted the significant overlap between CNVs found in children with ADHD and regions of the gene map which are known to influence susceptibility to autism and schizophrenia.

    "He said the most marked overlap was found at a particular region on chromosome 16 which has been linked to schizophrenia and other major psychiatric disorders and spans a number of genes, including one known to play a role in brain development."

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    • #3
      Re: Ritalin Gone Wrong

      Trying to stick boys into desks for 7 hours per day is a primary cause of "ADHD".

      I had a 20 acre back yard, and access to a torch, welder and loads of tools, otherwise I'd have never made it through school. School is boring, and in some cases counterproductive. For example, I'd already been forging metal, welding and brazing by a variety of methods (including oxy-acetlyene). My shop instructor wanted me to take the "test" to see if I was "ready" to use the welding torch. I "failed" the test. Funny, the test said nothing about keeping the acetylene under 15psi due to instability of the gas, but it did require me to correctly name each part of the equipment. At home I could get the gas pressure dialed up and a proper flame going in under a minute, but I "failed" the test. Dad and the shop teacher didn't use the exact same name for the different parts of the two stage regulators.

      I didn't "teach" my son how to use a lawnmower with a piece of paper with a picture of a mower on it. I didn't asses his ability to use it with a written test.

      If schools want kids to develop properly they need to asses how children develop and adapt themselves accordingly.

      For every ADHD kid there's another dozen bored, under-stimulated, frustrated kids who just happen to be able to control themselves sufficiently to escape the notice of the adults.

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      • #4
        Re: Ritalin Gone Wrong

        Let me give you a perfect example of creative, engaging education.

        In seventh grade my history teacher allowed the entire class re enact American history from the revolutionary war to the present (on certain conditions - we had to sign a contract). We "wrote" the declaration of independence, we "fought" the wars (wars were tests, either oral or written), we wrote legislation, we debated slavery and formed our own taxes, roads and foreign policy. We formed our own companies and wrote our own newspapers. we ran our own banks and accumulated our own wealth. We were required to provide historical context and justification to all of our actions, and if we went off the rails the teacher would intervene and put us back on course (one class voted to keep slavery).

        Why is this such a novel concept? Why is stuff like this not used more often?

        Why are our schools so ineffective and boring? Most boys (and many girls too) view school as punishment.


        Needless to say I'm not terribly enamored with the modern "cubicle farm" concept either. It seems that the same sit on your ass and behave skills are required to succeed in corporate life as well. In fact, it seems that that's all management really can do. Fortunately for them, some of us are still driven to actually produce tangible work, so I'll never take that next promotion - the one that will take me out of the lab.

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        • #5
          Re: Ritalin Gone Wrong

          How America made its children crazy
          By Spengler

          Now we know that computers don't help children learn and that drugs don't help them concentrate, because the establishment mandarins who sold us the computers and drugs have conceded failure. In the January 29 New York Times, [1] a prominent professor of child development shows that attention-deficit-disorder drugs only harm the three million children who take them. One out of 10 American children have been diagnosed with so-called Attention Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder and most of them have been medicated. [2]

          Some months ago, the Times reported that test scores lagged in school districts that invested massively in digital education. [3] It does not seem to have occurred to the mandarins that computers cause attention deficit disorder. The brain is a machine, in the enlightened secular model, and so-called brain science teaches us to tweak its functioning with pharmaceuticals, or stimulate its development through digital approximations of intelligence. The grand result of a generation's worth of brain-science application is a generation of schoolchildren who are disproportionately illiterate, innumerate, anxious, angry, and unhappy.

          Professor L Alan Sroufe's debunking of ADD medication in the New York Times contains this admission:

          ''Back in the 1960s I, like most psychologists, believed that children with difficulty concentrating were suffering from a brain problem of genetic or otherwise inborn origin. Just as Type I diabetics need insulin to correct problems with their inborn biochemistry, these children were believed to require attention-deficit drugs to correct theirs. It turns out, however, that there is little to no evidence to support this theory.''

          That is an astonishing statement: in the mainstream view of the academic psychologists, the brain is another pancreas, except that its function is to secrete thoughts as opposed to insulin. That is to say that the psychologists have a pancreas where their brains should have been.

          One really wants to light a torch and march on Frankenstein's castle, also known as the psychology profession. Until the passage of the 2005 Individuals with Disabilities Act, schools had the power to force children to take ADD drug, namely amphetamines, or bar them from classrooms, even when parents objected to the medication. I don't know how many children were harmed by the sorcerer's apprentices in school psychology offices, but the new research might provide grounds for some exemplary lawsuits. It turns out that the mainstream was dominated by cultists and loonies. The religious day schools, the home-schoolers, alternative schools like the Waldorf movement turn out to have been islands of sanity in a sea of delusion.

          The psychologists of the 1960s also advocated instant gratification in all aspects of life, particularly sex, with the silly presumption that all individual and social problems were to be blamed on suppressing our urge to be gratified. Once children had limitless opportunities for gratification, abetted by ever-more-realistic (and ever-more violent and perverse) computer simulations, the psychology profession observed that attention spans shortened drastically, and presumed that a genetic deficiency was to blame. It sounds like bad science fiction, but it is standard operating procedure in every public school in the United States.

          Learning how to learn is the point of education. We will forget the great majority of specific things we were taught: Euclidean proofs, the polynomial theorem, Roman emperors, French grammar, atomic weights, the poems of Browning, and whatever else was stuffed in our heads as schoolchildren. What we learned, if we learned anything, is to memorize, analyze and explain. If we know geometry, algebra or French today, it is not because we retained our knowledge but because we re-learned the subject. School, in short, taught us to concentrate. The most successful people are not the cleverest in terms of sheer processing power, but those who multiply cleverness with persistence.

          The psychology profession, by contrast, thinks that the brain is a machine, and the best way to engage it is to use another machine, namely a computer. Computers, to be sure, do not kill brains; people kill brains with computers. Computers in the hands of people who believe that gratification is the highest human goal, and the quicker the gratification, the better, have devastated our mental landscape. Our children do not read; they only surf. They do not write; they only text. They do not plan and strategize in games; they react to visual and aural stimuli while inflicting simulated mayhem. They do not follow a plot: they cut among disjoined images in the style of rap videos. And when they fail to concentrate, we give them Adderall and Ritalin.

          It is mouth-foaming, howling-at-the-moon madness, and it is our mainstream culture. The wired classroom hasn't worked, so the educational establishment recommends more of the same quack cure. The New York Times reported last September that computerized education has produced no measurable results, except for some negative ones (test scores fell after massive investment in computers). Yet the education gurus remain undeterred. ''The data is pretty weak. It's very difficult when we're pressed to come up with convincing data, ''Tom Vander Ark, the former executive director for education at the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation told the Times. Reporter Matt Richtel wrote: ''And yet, in virtually the same breath, he said change of a historic magnitude is inevitably coming to classrooms this decade: ‘It's one of the three or four biggest things happening in the world today.'''

          The obsession with digital classrooms goes back to president Bill Clinton, who called for more computers in the schools in 1997. After 15 years of failure, the Barack Obama administration's National Education Technology Plan ''calls for applying the advanced technologies used in our daily personal and professional lives to our entire education system to improve student learning.'' [4]

          The American elite, to be sure, does not subject its own offspring to this kind of digital treatment. New York City's most exclusive private schools, the ones with an acceptance rate lower than Ivy League colleges, do things the old fashioned way. Brearley School, sometimes considered the best of the private schools for girls, requires every student to learn an instrument and play in the orchestra (the only other New York school with this requirement is the Rudolf Steiner School). The Dalton School teaches chess to every student. Acoustic instruments, classical music, and ancient games with wooden pieces teach concentration span.

          In Silicon Valley, Times reporter Matt Richtel observed in an October 22 feature, many of the Silicon Valley types who make weapons of mass dementia send their own kids to a school that bans computers until the 9th grade:

          The chief technology officer of eBay sends his children to a nine-classroom school here. So do employees of Silicon Valley giants like Google, Apple, Yahoo and Hewlett-Packard. But the school's chief teaching tools are anything but high-tech: pens and paper, knitting needles and, occasionally, mud. Not a computer to be found. No screens at all. They are not allowed in the classroom, and the school even frowns on their use at home. Schools nationwide have rushed to supply their classrooms with computers, and many policy makers say it is foolish to do otherwise. But the contrarian point of view can be found at the epicenter of the tech economy, where some parents and educators have a message: computers and schools don't mix. [5]

          That is the local Waldorf school, part of an education movement founded by the German mathematician and mystic Rudolf Steiner. Some of Steiner's ideas were strange, but his educational method - learning by doing - is robust. At the New York Steiner School my children attended, for example, 8th-graders learned the Renaissance by making copies of 16th-century scientific instruments, singing four-part Renaissance vocal works, and staging a play about the 17th-century physicist Johannes Kepler. The 9th-graders studied Shakespeare's "Twelfth Night" by staging the complete play, rotating the cast so that every child memorized a couple of hundred lines. Waldorf schools require parents to promise to forbid television to their children in any form through elementary school.

          At a showcase classroom in Arizona's most wired school district, Matt Richtel reported,

          A seventh-grade English teacher roams among 31 students sitting at their desks or in clumps on the floor. They're studying Shakespeare's As You Like It - but not in any traditional way. In this technology-centric classroom, students are bent over laptops, some blogging or building Facebook pages from the perspective of Shakespeare's characters. One student compiles a song list from the Internet, picking a tune by the rapper Kanye West to express the emotions of Shakespeare's lovelorn Silvius. [6]

          Somehow, I don't think that's what Shakespeare meant by "as you like it." Web access in this case is simply a pretext to help seventh-graders to reduce Shakespeare to their own level, rather than allow Shakespeare to lift children up to his.

          The Waldorf movement diverges radically from the mainstream. It tends to recruit crunchy-granola rebels against urban civilization who love acoustical instruments and handicrafts, as well as philosophy graduates of major universities with a deep interest in metaphysics. Some of the classical curriculum of the German Gymnasium of a century ago is preserved as if in amber. And the fact that so many of the Masters of the Universe of the digital age send their children to this countercultural throwback is a fair gauge of the degradation of mainstream learning.

          Adderall and Ritalin, by the way, can't be found in any Chinese pharmacy (although expatriates can find small amounts of Ritalin at a couple of locations in Shanghai). It appears that Chinese children, who must memorize several thousand characters in order to complete elementary education, do not suffer from Attention Deficit Disorder. Two-thirds of Chinese children graduate secondary school, which involves a grueling exercise in memorization. As I reported earlier in this space, 50 million Chinese children are studying Western classical music (see China’s six-to-one advantage over the US, Asia Times Online, Dec 2, 2008). That's the same number of children aged 5 to 17 in America. Nothing builds attention span better than playing classical music. Granted that much of China's educational system teaches rote memorization, and that the majority of Chinese may not receive top-quality schooling, it is still the case that the absolute number of Chinese kids mastering high-level skills is a multiple of the American number.

          If China replaces us at the pre-eminent world power, it will happen because their children are smarter, more persevering, more ambitious and tougher than ours. And we will have no-one to blame but ourselves for handing our kids over to quacks and snake-oil salesmen.

          Notes: 1. Ritalin Gone Wrong, New York Times, Jan 29, 2012.
          2. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention website.
          3. In Classroom of Future, Stagnant Scores, New York Times, Sep 3, 2011.
          4. Transforming American Education: Learning Powered by Technology, US Department of Education.
          5. A Silicon Valley School That Doesn’t Compute, New York Times, Oct 22, 2011.
          6. In Classroom of Future, Stagnant Scores, New York Times, Sep 3, 2011.


          Spengler is channeled by David P Goldman, president of Macrostrategy LLC.
          http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_.../NA31Dj01.html

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          • #6
            Re: Ritalin Gone Wrong

            A good friend sums it up with
            "in the 1960s and 1970s, parents would medicate themselves with alcohol and/or drugs to cope with life, in the 1990s and 2000s they've chosen to medicate their children instead to cope".

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            • #7
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              I call it the Nintendo generation. If it doesn't flash, dance, or play catchy toons it is dismissed as boring. Learning has to be fun and fun is what is on TV. Slow careful analysis of boring facts is not done. I refer to a piece of study done by the fund manager John Hussman in finding causes of autism. "Autism A Noise-Reduction GWAS Analysis Implicates Altered Regulation of Neurite Outgrowth and Guidance in Autism". No school encourages this type of learning.

              Look at the horrible windows 7 commercial on TV where dad has very nice presentation of growing sales on his old computer, and the kid makes it better by adding music and dancing bars available through win7. Just fluff that adds no new informatin and actually distracts from the real information presented.

              When I was 10, I was finding all kinds of things in the trash and taking them apart to see how they work. Lawn mowers, bikes, phonographs sewing machines. Just not done anymore, of if it is it is done, it is by the man on TV (Jamie Hyneman), not by kids. In engineering classes in college, I always got B-/C+ on my tests, but I was the only one who could get my lab to work every time.

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              • #8
                Re: Ritalin Gone Wrong

                I'm sorry to say I have this condition in my own family. My son and daughter-in-law, loving parents- - no question about that - took to us the bizarre route of letting their first born decide when it was time to go to bed. Turns out setting a consistent bedtime is the first important step in provide a nurturing environment with reassuring boundaries. Kids are hardwired to push boundaries and relieved when their parents, often after a struggle, hold the line. My son's parenting maxim is every day should be a happy one for his kids. The oldest was diagnosed ADD early in school and the 30 day treatment is now in its 4th year. We were and are appalled. As the "effectiveness" has worn away - see above - they now are touting Aspergers, a catchall label for any autistic-like symptoms, as her possible ailment. Her principal complaint - few friends. She's outgoing, quick with her mouth - the opposite of autistic behavior but hey, why learn about what friendship entails when there's a magic pharmaceutical at hand. She's on the verge of puberty. Her and her parents hell has just begun.

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                • #9
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                  Originally posted by BK View Post
                  A good friend sums it up with
                  "in the 1960s and 1970s, parents would medicate themselves with alcohol and/or drugs to cope with life, in the 1990s and 2000s they've chosen to medicate their children instead to cope".
                  Might explain why I turned out so wonderful. I'm a child of the 80's!

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                  • #10
                    Re: Ritalin Gone Wrong

                    Truly hyperactive kids are easy to spot. Imagine your apartment being destroyed by your friend’s dog you’re baby-sitting. In these cases, drugs can be transformational, even cathartic. (My wife and I are both x-teachers.)

                    But the over-diagnosis is ridiculous and creeping into the Asian middle class.
                    The checklists given to counselors, parents, and teachers to assess whether a child is hyperactive or has Asperger’s syndrome are absurd. In many cases doctors are prescribing drugs without meeting the child.

                    I taught kids with Aspergers (2), Tourettes (1), kids who I thought were truly ADHD (5)

                    Their behavior was so extreme, so out of the ordinary, so intense, and often so unemotional, you knew a doctor was needed.

                    When a 7th grader getting D’s who wanted to sit at the computer all day was up for consideration, I’d just turn in the form blank with a big, “NO!”

                    Thanks Don for the Waldorf link and, Hey LorenS…

                    Thanks for your comments. I’m here in Chiang Mai, Thailand welding outdoor sculpture. Wish I’d grown up in your back yard and I’m sure I couldn’t pass that test.
                    Last edited by Thailandnotes; January 31, 2012, 08:10 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Ritalin Gone Wrong

                      Originally posted by charliebrown View Post
                      I call it the Nintendo generation. If it doesn't flash, dance, or play catchy toons it is dismissed as boring. Learning has to be fun and fun is what is on TV. Slow careful analysis of boring facts is not done. I refer to a piece of study done by the fund manager John Hussman in finding causes of autism. "Autism A Noise-Reduction GWAS Analysis Implicates Altered Regulation of Neurite Outgrowth and Guidance in Autism". No school encourages this type of learning.

                      Look at the horrible windows 7 commercial on TV where dad has very nice presentation of growing sales on his old computer, and the kid makes it better by adding music and dancing bars available through win7. Just fluff that adds no new informatin and actually distracts from the real information presented.

                      When I was 10, I was finding all kinds of things in the trash and taking them apart to see how they work. Lawn mowers, bikes, phonographs sewing machines. Just not done anymore, of if it is it is done, it is by the man on TV (Jamie Hyneman), not by kids. In engineering classes in college, I always got B-/C+ on my tests, but I was the only one who could get my lab to work every time.
                      My wife came up with a label for the young age group a while ago, back when the game controllers were usually of the type of the old atari game systems.....

                      "The Joystick Generation".

                      Ouch!

                      The truth is, though, the young friends of my son and daughter ( ages 16 and 14) do have their act together, as much so as my generation did; and the new hires where I work certainly do justice to the postive image of their generation.

                      I think like the weath gap, we're likely experiencing an achievement gap in this country in terms of how advanced some kids are relative to their peers. The high performers are in the top 1% and they're probably a few steps ahead of the top 1% of a generation ago, they certainly appear to be more polished; the peers making up the bottom are probably seeing their proportion increasing......
                      Last edited by wayiwalk; January 31, 2012, 10:02 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Ritalin Gone Wrong

                        Another strand to this story is that, at no time above did Shroufe say anything about diet. There are many people today suggesting that a poor diet may be the underlying cause for many of our woes. A good example is Dr. Mercola.

                        http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...have-adhd.aspx

                        As also:

                        http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...n-ritalin.aspx

                        The stories that really frighten me are when we hear of a child being taken into care simply because the parents will not permit the prescription of the drugs.

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                        • #13
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                          add and adhd, lately also bipolar disorder, are both overdiagnosed and underdiagnosed. i know of a private high school in my community where it is rumored that perhaps 2/3 of the kids are on stimulants. that school has a consultant psychologist who has a reputation for overdiagnosis. but such abuses doesn't mean that every diagnosis and treatment is a mistake. i have seen lives transformed by proper treatment. i had one young man in his early 20's come see me after dropping out of his 3rd college. with meds he finished a degree in computer science. he commented that prior to taking meds he had no comparator to judge his attention, but in retrospect being without meds was like having 2 drinks in terms of his ability to focus.

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                          • #14
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                            Ritalin and Adderall are COCAINE!!!! Just a watered down version. Would you give cocaine to a 7 year old? Government sanctioned wackjob Drs that prescribe this crap should be beat. Don't believe me? Look up amphetamine... Methamphetamine...

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                            • #15
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                              I just watched some of Princeton prof Sam Wang's neuroscience lectures ... claims almost all kids with ADHD grow out of it.

                              Any truth to the "common knowledge" that female teachers are far more likely to request this? (almost always for boys they can't handle)

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