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    A new Reserve currency to challenge the dollar – What’s really going on in The Straits of Hormuz.

    By David Malone

    December 17, 20011 "Golem XIV" -- A little over a year ago on 1st November 2010 I wrote what I called “…a little bit of scurrilous speculation.” In it I speculated that an unintended consequence of QE had been to spur several countries to think very seriously of how they could replace the dollar as their settlement currency for international deals. The Settlement Currency just means the currency both parties agree is stable, internationally trusted and accepted, and in plentiful supply. Which may not be the case for their own currencies . I wondered if doubts about the longer term stability of the dollar and of US debt levels, was combining with a political desire in China and perhaps other countries as well to challenge the US via the dollar with the eventual goal of creating an alternative reserve currency backed by gold rather than, as the dollar now is, by debt.

    Various countries have been buying gold. Russia, China, India have all bought a lot….Which brings me to my speculation. The list of countries accumulating gold is similar to the list of countries that were reported to be talking about the need for a new reserve currency to replace the dollar.

    I wonder if those who are seriously thinking of trying to unseat the dollar and create a currency which is backed by something other than debt and is not under the control of America’s corrupt banks and even more corrupt government, are investing in gold as a precursor to making a real bid for a new currency.

    Later, in Making the New Sub Prime Part 2 I looked at the growing network of bilateral agreements in major trade deals gradually replacing the dollar as a settlement currency.

    Being a ‘Settlement’ currency is not quite the same as being a ‘Reserve Currency’ like the dollar, but it a major step in that direction. It is, in fact, a very large step. Which currency large international trades are done in matters. It is a fact that in 2000, Iraq signed an agreement to sell its oil, all its oil, in Euros. Iran was contemplating doing the same at around the same time. The Iraq decision involved the large French bank PNB-Paribas. France was not one of those who supported the war and Washington led a hate campaign vilifying the French. The worry was that a switch from dollar to Euro settlement might gain momentum. Any major move away from dollar settlement would cripple the US.

    In January of this year the India Times reported that India was talking to Iran about moving out of dollar settlements so as to be able to buy Iranian oil despite a US embargo. India said it was discussing settling in Gold. Remember, India has just signed a settlement agreement with China to use the Yuan.

    A very good summary of recent news by ZeroHedge suggests I may have been on the right track. And recently the pace has picked up.

    China and Russia have been trading directly in their own currencies and using them both interchangeably for settlement for over a year. As the The China Daily article reports,

    China is allowing greater use of its currency for cross-border transactions to reduce reliance on the US dollar, after Premier Wen Jiabao said in March he was “worried” about holdings of assets denominated in the greenback.

    Then on 26th December 2011 Bloomberg reported,

    Japan and China will promote direct trading of the yen and yuan without using dollars and will encourage the development of a market for companies involved in the exchanges, the Japanese government said.

    China is Japan’s largest trading partner. Japan will also start in 2012 buying Chinese debts. How much Dollar debt will either of them buy? They have both already been buying less.

    Two days later (Dec.28th) the Iranain news service reported,

    Iran and China on Wednesday signed two agreements on expansion of trade ties and joint investments.

    These trades too will not be settled in Dollars or in Euros.

    Three days after that The China Post reported that on the last day of 2011, US President Obama had signed a new law in which

    U.S. imposes sanctions on banks dealing with Iran….Sanctioned institutions would be frozen out of U.S. financial markets.

    Sounds tough. A bit like sending an aircraft carrier to the Straits of Hormuz. But as the article went on to report, with only barely concealed delight, the threat may be as hollow as the dollar itself. The law comes with exemptions which may eventually highlight America’s plight rather than its might.

    The sanctions target both private and government-controlled banks – including central banks – and would take hold after a two- to six-month warning period, depending on the transactions, a senior Obama administration official said.

    Under the law, the president can move to exempt institutions in a country that has significantly reduced its dealings with Iran and in situations where a waiver is in the U.S. national security interest or otherwise necessary for energy market stability. He would need to notify Congress and waivers would be temporary, but could be extended.

    And as if to make the point, only a couple of days after this on Jan 7th, came the news that,

    Iran and Russia replaced the U.S. dollar with their national currencies in bilateral trade, Iran’s state-run Fars news agency reported, citing Seyed Reza Sajjadi, the Iranian ambassador in Moscow.

    So now almost none of Iran’s oil will be traded in Dollars.

    India and Japan have also recently agreed a 15 billion dollar currency exchange. This will tie their two currencies closer together.

    The list of countries and trades no longer using the dollar for settlement for their trade is now considerable. How close are we to reaching the tipping-point where it no longer makes sense for nations to use dollars and makes more sense for them, both economically and politically, to use the network of currencies tied to the Yuan? When we reach that point the Yuan becomes in reserve currency in all but name.

    China, India, Russia and Iran are all large holders of physical gold and most of them are also large producers of it. None of them are firm allies of the US. They all have long term relations with each other. All of them have expressed oncercern over US debts and printing. None of them will like QE3, nor Euro printing, when they both arrive later this year.

    I think the stand-off with Iran in the Straits of Hormuz over sanctions is as much to do with the moves to replace the dollar as anything else. The stand off is as much with China and its allies as it is specifically with Iran. The US is testing China’s nerve and the solidity of its network of bilateral currency settlement agreements. We are seeing military power deployed to counter economic power. I think the US will lose. Depending on the nature of its loss we could see a precipitate decline in the standing of the dollar as global reserve currency.

    2012 could see the beginning of large scale defections from the dollar settlement currency. Which would in turn have massive, perhaps even catastrophic consequences for how the world perceives what is an acceptable level of debt for the US. What is acceptable when you have the global reserve currency is quite different from what is acceptable when you don’t.

    And the reverse is also true. If China can transform the netwrok of bilateral agreements which centre upon China and the Yuan, in to becoming accepted as a de facto reserve currency, then for those, like me, who wonder how China can possibly avoid a hard landing as its bad bank and property bubble deflates faster and faster, look no further.

    There is no denying China has an absolutely massive bad debt crisis fermenting. Every one of its banks is gagging on bad loans made to every one of China’s regional governments. Trillions of Yuan worth of loans which will not be repaid, on property and land valued at hugely inflated but now defaulting prices. But if China can become a rival and rising reserve currency at the centre of a new and growing collection of trading partners then China can and will bury the debts in a a mass unmarked grave somewhere in its hinterland.

    At the moment when America is seen as being no longer the pre-eminant reserve currency and its debt load is re-considered accordingly, China and its debt load will go the other way. America and its currency risk being seen as too rotted by debt to be trusted and it’s claims of economic growth seen as fake, empty, paper-based, accountancy-conjured growth. The Dollar and America itself risk being seen as the fiat currency and fiat nation par excellence .While China and the Yuan will be seen as backed by sold gold and real growth.

    One more question to ask in all this is – how far have the big banks and brokerages managed to turn even gold and silver (at least gold and silver held in the West) in to another fiat currency? Gold and bullion bugs amoung you might argue the question makes no sense. But consider re-hypothecation. How much gold and silver has been pledged and re-pledged, hypothecated and re-hypothecated? How many more paper contracts for and claims upon gold and silver exist above and beyond the amount of actual physical gold and silver? After all gold and silver are the ultimate in ‘good’ assets which counterparties will happily accept. So it seems likely to me that gold and silver (or contracts for them) will have been in demand in those repo and hypothecation markets. If so then I wonder how many conflicting and contesting claims will surround every ounce of gold and silver in the West when investors start demanding to see their ‘investment’.

    I think the big old sterling silver coin may already have dropped for some investors. That is why prices for physical silver are surging above the price for paper claims on silver. I think some traders are getting nervous about buying paper claims on silver and now want only the metal itself. They suspect that in the end, if you have only a paper claim or contract for, silver that is exaclty all you will ever have – the paper. Only those with the actual metal in their hands, will get what they paid for. I think there is a fiat, paper currency version of gold and silver floating around and parasitising the metals themselves. Those who own that paper stuff may get…well … stuffed.

    Where Europe goes in all this is another story which I will try to say something about when I get back from filming. I am away for this week, back on Saturday and away again filming till the 20th.


    David Malone is author of the "The Debt Generation". David has a career spanning nearly twenty years producing and directing documentaries for both the BBC and Channel4. His series Testing God was shortlisted for the Royal Television Society best documentary series and was described by The Times as "moving and startling - as close to poetry as television gets." For the last three years David has focused considerable attention on the financial system. His BBC documentary High Anxieties- The Mathematics of Chaos, first broadcast in September 2008, was one of the first films to be made about the financial crisis accurately anticipating the problems that were to unfold in the economy. The Debt Generation was published in November 2010.

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    Re: A new Reserve currency to challenge the dollar – What’s really going on in The Straits of Hormuz.

    The war with Iran is inevitable. Probably in March.
    If all the dollars are to return, then the dollar would collapse.
    Engineering inflation is too little too late.

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      Re: A new Reserve currency to challenge the dollar – What’s really going on in The Straits of Hormuz.

      But the same US administration that decides war decides fiscal policy.
      Would collapse the dollar to start a war?

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        Re: A new Reserve currency to challenge the dollar – What’s really going on in The Straits of Hormuz.

        and beyond . . .

        The South China Sea

        The South China Sea is a semi-enclosed portion of the western Pacific bounded by China to the north, Vietnam to the west, the Philippines to the east, and the island of Borneo (shared by Brunei, Indonesia and Malaysia) to the south. The sea also incorporates two largely uninhabited island chains, the Paracels and the Spratlys.

        Long an important fishing ground, it has also been a major avenue for commercial shipping between East Asia and Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. More recently, it acquired significance as a potential source of oil and natural gas, large reserves of which are now believed to lie in subsea areas surrounding the Paracels and Spratlys.

        With the discovery of oil and gas deposits, the South China Sea has been transformed into a cockpit of international friction. At least some islands in this energy-rich area are claimed by every one of the surrounding countries, including China - which claims them all, and has demonstrated a willingness to use military force to assert dominance in the region.

        Not surprisingly, this has put it in conflict with the other claimants, including several with close military ties to the United States. As a result, what started out as a regional matter, involving China and various members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN), has become a prospective tussle between the world's two leading powers.

        To press their claims, Brunei, Malaysia, Vietnam and the Philippines have all sought to work collectively through ASEAN, believing a multilateral approach will give them greater negotiating clout than one-on-one dealings with China.

        For their part, the Chinese have insisted that all disputes must be resolved bilaterally, a situation in which they can more easily bring their economic and military power to bear. Previously preoccupied with Iraq and Afghanistan, the United States has now entered the fray, offering full-throated support to the ASEAN countries in their efforts to negotiate en masse with Beijing.

        Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi promptly warned the United States not to interfere. Any such move "will only make matters worse and the resolution more difficult", he declared. The result was an instant war of words between Beijing and Washington.

        During a visit to the Chinese capital in July 2011, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen delivered a barely concealed threat when it came to possible future military action. "The worry, among others that I have," he commented, "is that the ongoing incidents could spark a miscalculation, and an outbreak that no one anticipated."

        To drive the point home, the United States has conducted a series of conspicuous military exercises in the South China Sea, including some joint maneuvers with ships from Vietnam and the Philippines. Not to be outdone, China responded with naval maneuvers of its own. It's a perfect formula for future "incidents" at sea.

        The South China Sea has long been on the radar screens of those who follow Asian affairs, but it only attracted global attention when, in November, Obama traveled to Australia and announced, with remarkable bluntness, a new US strategy aimed at confronting Chinese power in Asia and the Pacific.

        "As we plan and budget for the future," he told members of the Australian parliament in Canberra, "we will allocate the resources necessary to maintain our strong military presence in this region." A key feature of this effort would be to ensure "maritime security" in the South China Sea.

        While in Australia, Obama also announced the establishment of a new US base at Darwin on that country's northern coast, as well as expanded military ties with Indonesia and the Philippines. In January, the president similarly placed special emphasis on projecting US power in the region when he went to the Pentagon to discuss changes in the American military posture in the world.

        Beijing will undoubtedly take its own set of steps, no less belligerent, to protect its growing interests in the South China Sea. Where this will lead remains unknown. After the Strait of Hormuz, however, the South China Sea may be the global energy chokepoint where small mistakes or provocations could lead to bigger confrontations in 2012 and beyond.

        The Caspian Sea Basin

        The Caspian Sea is an inland body of water bordered by Russia, Iran and three former republics of the USSR: Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan. In the immediate area as well are the former Soviet lands of Armenia, Georgia, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan.

        All of these old SSRs are, to one degree or another, attempting to assert their autonomy from Moscow and establish independent ties with the United States, the European Union, Iran, Turkey, and, increasingly, China. All are wracked by internal schisms and/or involved in border disputes with their neighbors.

        The region would be a hotbed of potential conflict even if the Caspian basin did not harbor some of the world's largest undeveloped reserves of oil and natural gas, which could easily bring it to a boil.

        This is not the first time that the Caspian has been viewed as a major source of oil, and so potential conflict. In the late 19th century, the region around the city of Baku - then part of the Russian empire, now in Azerbaijan - was a prolific source of petroleum and so a major strategic prize.

        Future Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin first gained notoriety there as a leader of militant oil workers, and German leader Adolf Hitler sought to capture it during his ill-fated 1941 invasion of the USSR. After World War II, however, the region lost its importance as an oil producer when Baku's onshore fields dried up. Now, fresh discoveries are being made in offshore areas of the Caspian itself and in previously undeveloped areas of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan.

        According to energy giant BP, the Caspian area harbors as much as 48 billion barrels of oil (mostly buried in Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan) and 449 trillion cubic feet of natural gas (with the largest supply in Turkmenistan). This puts the region ahead of North and South America in total gas reserves and Asia in oil reserves.

        But producing all this energy and delivering it to foreign markets will be a monumental task. The region's energy infrastructure is woefully inadequate and the Caspian itself provides no maritime outlet to other seas, so all that oil and gas must travel by pipeline or rail.

        Russia, long the dominant power in the region, is pursuing control over the transportation routes by which Caspian oil and gas will reach markets. It is upgrading Soviet-era pipelines that link the former Soviet republics to Russia or building new ones and, to achieve a near monopoly over the marketing of all this energy, bringing traditional diplomacy, strong-arm tactics, and outright bribery to bear on regional leaders (many of whom once served in the Soviet bureaucracy) to ship their energy via Russia.

        As recounted in my book Rising Powers, Shrinking Planet, Washington sought to thwart these efforts by sponsoring the construction of alternative pipelines that avoid Russian territory, crossing Azerbaijan, Georgia and Turkey to the Mediterranean (notably the BTC, or Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline), while Beijing is building its own pipelines linking the Caspian area to western China.

        All of these pipelines cross through areas of ethnic unrest and pass near various contested regions like rebellious Chechnya and breakaway South Ossetia. As a result, both China and the US have wedded their pipeline operations to military assistance for countries along the routes.

        Fearful of an American presence, military or otherwise, in the former territories of the Soviet Union, Russia has responded with military moves of its own, including its brief August 2008 war with Georgia, which took place along the BTC route.

        Given the magnitude of the Caspian's oil and gas reserves, many energy firms are planning new production operations in the region, along with the pipelines needed to bring the oil and gas to market. The European Union, for example, hopes to build a natural gas pipeline called Nabucco from Azerbaijan through Turkey to Austria.

        Russia has proposed a competing conduit called South Stream. All of these efforts involve the geopolitical interests of major powers, ensuring that the Caspian region will remain a potential source of international crisis and conflict.

        In the new Geo-Energy Era, the Strait of Hormuz, the South China Sea and the Caspian Basin hardly stand alone as potential energy flashpoints. The East China Sea, where China and Japan are contending for a contested undersea natural gas field, is another, as are the waters surrounding the Falkland Islands, where both Britain and Argentina hold claims to undersea oil reserves, as will be the globally warming Arctic whose resources are claimed by many countries.

        One thing is certain: wherever the sparks may fly, there's oil in the water and danger at hand in 2012.

        Michael T Klare

        http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NA12Ak02.html

        Call for US naval build-up in South China Sea
        By Jim Lobe

        WASHINGTON - While much of the world's attention has been focused on United States-Iranian tensions over the Strait of Hormuz, a key think-tank is urging Washington to devote more focus and resources on another important hub for international commerce several thousand kilometers to the east.

        In a major report released here on Tuesday, the Center for a New American Security (CNAS) called for Washington to pursue a policy of "cooperative primacy" in the South China Sea in order to both avoid future conflict with Beijing and preserve freedom of navigation and the independence of smaller countries in the region.

        The 115-page report, "Cooperation from Strength: the United States, China and the South China Sea", also calls for the US to increase its naval fleet from 285 warships to 346 vessels over the coming years in order to counter regional perceptions that it is a declining power.

        "Diplomatic and economic engagement with China and others will work better when backed by a credible military posture," according to the report, which was pulled together by Patrick Cronin, the senior director of the Asia-Pacific Program, who also stressed that any naval build-up "must be contingent on healthy economic growth in the future - a strategic priority for the United States".

        "As the decades-old rules-based system fostered by the United States is being called into question by a rising China, the South China Sea will be the strategic bellwether for determining the future of US leadership in the Asia-Pacific region."

        The report follows last week's release by President Barack Obama of a new, cost-cutting national defense strategy that confirmed his intention to "pivot" or "rebalance" Washington's global military forces "toward the Asia-Pacific region", and is certain to be read carefully by regional specialists due to the close ties that exist between CNAS and the administration.

        CNAS's co-founder, for example, was Kurt Campbell, the senior Asia aide at the Pentagon during the Bill Clinton administration, who currently serves as the top Asia hand at the State Department. CNAS's other co-founder, Michele Flournoy, served in the top policy post in the Pentagon under Obama before stepping down late last year.

        Like the Strait of Hormuz, the narrow passage that connects the Persian Gulf to the Arabian Sea and wider Indian Ocean and through which about 40% of the world's exported oil passes, the South China Sea is considered one of the world's most valuable and strategic bodies of water.

        Long a rich fishing ground and now perhaps the world's single-most important trading route, the South China Sea connects the Indian Ocean to the Western Pacific through the Strait of Malacca.

        Its seabed covers at least seven billion barrels of proven oil reserves (China has calculated as much as 130 billion barrels) and 900 trillion cubic feet of natural gas, making its waters and the tiny, rocky Paracel and Spratley island chains that dot its surface the subject of conflicting or overlapping territorial claims by no less than eight countries: China, Taiwan, Vietnam, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Brunei and the Philippines.

        Over the past two years, China has become increasingly aggressive in asserting its sovereignty claims over virtually the entire Sea, sometimes taking military action to enforce them, such as last May when its coast guard cut the cable being laid by a Vietnamese oil exploration vessel.

        Coupled with the rapid build-up of its naval capabilities, Beijing's actions and intent have spurred growing concern among the other claimants, driving some of them, notably Vietnam and the Philippines, to seek closer security ties with Washington.

        They were heartened in July 2011 when Secretary of State Hillary Clinton declared at an Asian forum that Washington itself had a "national interest" in preserving freedom of navigation in the region and open access to its maritime commons. She also suggested that Washington could "facilitate" regional talks to resolve territorial disputes.

        Beijing was infuriated by her statement both by its assertion of a US national interest so far from its borders and its implicit endorsement of a multilateral approach to addressing the conflicting claims that Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia and Brunei had long favored. China has preferred to address disputes with each country on a bilateral basis.

        Since then, Washington has, among other steps, upgraded military ties and conducted joint exercises with Vietnam and the Philippines.

        It has also reached an agreement with Singapore to base two littoral combat ships there and another, announced during Obama's swing through the region in November, with Australia to continuously rotate up to 2,500 marines on a military base closest to the South China Sea in the Northern Territory in the first long-term expansion of the US military presence in the Asia/Pacific region since the Vietnam War.

        The CNAS report's authors clearly approve of these steps but suggest that more will be needed in order to reassure the smaller states that Washington stands by them even as China will likely expand its own military and naval capabilities at a faster rate.

        "The inability of the United States to project sufficient power into the South China Sea would alter the security calculus for all of the countries in the region," according to the report. Such a situation, it went on, could lead to the "Finlandization" by China of the littoral countries states, a reference to Finland's Soviet-enforced neutrality during the Cold War.

        "We want the US to maintain the present correlation of forces," said Robert Kaplan, co-author of the report's introductory chapter which compared Beijing's larger strategic ambitions in the South China Sea to Washington's at the end of the 19th century.

        "Remember, it was dominance of the Greater Caribbean Basin that effectively gave turn-of-the-20th-century America's dominance over the Western hemisphere, with power to spare for affecting the balance of power in the Eastern Hemisphere. Something similar might ensue were China to ever become the hegemon of the South China Sea," according to the report.

        To maintain its primacy, Washington should not only reverse the decline of its navy, according to the report, but also encourage its partners and allies in the region to strengthen their own military capabilities and establish new security partnerships with each other so that the burden on the US is reduced.

        "Nationalism in South China Sea countries such as Vietnam and Indonesia - as well as countries further afield like India, Japan and Korea - may be the best basis for stitching together common interests in a loose, almost invisible network of like-minded and increasingly capable maritime state that are willing to deflect Chinese hegemony," the report states.

        At the same time, Washington should be respectful of the desire by those states to remain on good terms with Beijing.

        "With China striving to dominate the Western Pacific, East Asian countries are keener than ever to partner with the United States," according to the report. "Yet these same countries also wish to avoid conflict with an increasingly powerful China that is also a principal trading partner."

        http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/NA12Ad01.html

        In a recent interview, Paul Craig Roberts was asked if a conflict arose between America's bankers and the military, what would happen. He just laughed and said the bankers would be gone in a heart beat . . .

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            Re: A new Reserve currency to challenge the dollar – What’s really going on in The Straits of Hormuz.

            I think this is where the US pulls its trick. They will revalue the dollar to gold and say "I dare the rest of the world to do anything about it" The same thing we did in 1971 when we then told the world "I dare you to do anything about going off the intl gold standard"

            If global trade starts to be settled in other currencies and the dollar loses hegemony it will force the US to do a pre emptive economic strike by valuing the dollar to gold.

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              Re: A new Reserve currency to challenge the dollar – What’s really going on in The Straits of Hormuz.

              Originally posted by ProdigyofZen View Post
              I think this is where the US pulls its trick. They will revalue the dollar to gold and say "I dare the rest of the world to do anything about it" The same thing we did in 1971 when we then told the world "I dare you to do anything about going off the intl gold standard"

              If global trade starts to be settled in other currencies and the dollar loses hegemony it will force the US to do a pre emptive economic strike by valuing the dollar to gold.
              and how much of the world's gold is being safely stored on American shores? It's not a stretch to throw Libya's in the pile, is it?

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                Re: A new Reserve currency to challenge the dollar – What’s really going on in The Straits of Hormuz.

                The U.S. has EIGHT-THOUSAND AND SIX-HUNDRED TONNES oF PURE GOLD in Ft. Knox. Any questions? Class dismissed.

                Los Estados Unidos tiene ocho mil y seis cientos toneladas ! TONELADAS ! de oro puro dentro Ft. Knox. ? Hayan preguntas ? Nos despidos; esta el fin de la clase.

                TONNES! Not ounces, TONNES! No hayan onzas en Ft. Knox, hayan TONELADAS.
                Last edited by Starving Steve; January 11, 2012, 01:33 PM.

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                  Re: A new Reserve currency to challenge the dollar – What’s really going on in The Straits of Hormuz.

                  The U.S. has EIGHT-THOUSAND AND SIX-HUNDRED TONS oF PURE GOLD in Ft. Knox. Any questions? Class dismissed.
                  Has anyone counted it lately?

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                    Re: A new Reserve currency to challenge the dollar – What’s really going on in The Straits of Hormuz.

                    How much foreign gold is held in 'safekeeping' in the US?

                    Nobody can really answer this, not even . . . .

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                      Re: A new Reserve currency to challenge the dollar – What’s really going on in The Straits of Hormuz.

                      I used to work summers inside a dark and HUGE warehouse in San Jose, Calif. on Race Street, before all the computer geeks moved to the Santa Clara Valley and before all of the canaries were closed and demolished. The warehouse that I worked inside stored cans of fruit and vegetables grown throughout central Calif. I worked during the nights stacking cans onto shelves--- gigantic shelves. The loading-truck would run through the warehouse and deliver pallets of cans to me every hour or two, all night long.

                      If you would, imagine Ft. Knox and all of the 8,600 tonnes of gold inside its warehouse. Imagine stacking gold bars onto metal shelves, from the floor to the ceiling. Aisle upon aisle in the dark warehouse, 400 troy ounce gold bars, from the floor up to the ceiling. Some gold bars would be stacked upon the floor. Some gold bars would be on metal pallets, and there might be an all-night stacker, like Starving Steve and his cans of fruit and vegetables, but stacking bars of gold by serial number and maker.

                      And then, if the gold depository at Ft. Knox would be depleted, the U.S. has its real estate: not so much anymore flea-bag tiny shacks occupied by hillbillies and simpletons from the South, but real estate beyond what anyone might imagine. There are entire towns in America of middle-class people or even lower middle-class people living in, and owning 5,000 and 6,000 square foot new homes--- homes so large that one might need a road map to navigate inside.... The point is that these homes are NOT expensive in U.S. dollars. These new homes sell for $150,000 to $300,000 to-day. Yes, new homes on acreages near or in small towns and not far from major cities like Kansas City or Atlanta or Dallas or Richmond or Denver. New homes, vaulted ceilings, granite counters, triple-car garages, tile roofs. Everything..... This is what American real estate is worth, and we haven't even begun to count real estate in major centres such as San Francisco or New York City.

                      And then, we have the oil and gas just discovered in North Dakota, not to mention Mont, SD, Colo, Tex, Ohio, New York, Pa, W.Va, Wyo, Calif, Louisiana, Alabama, Kansas, Okla, Tn, Idaho, on and on and on.... And then we have the un-tapped sweet and light oil still leaking out through oil seeps, and just waiting to be tapped offshore of Los Angeles. And then we have Alaska, barely even explored. The waters off of the east coast of America including Florida are totally unexplored.... The fact of the matter is that America may be exporting oil again, and soon.

                      BP has discovered the biggest oil find in history, and it's offshore of the Louisiana Delta. That is very promising for America's future.

                      On top of all this, the U.S. has gigantic coal reserves. Coal right now, whether clean or not, is providing cheap and affordable electricity for much of the nation. In future, coal might be converted to synthetic oil and natural gas..... Coal has a great future.

                      And then we have the productive capacity of America, especially in electronics and micro-computers. Then, there is sick old Detroit, but it still produces top-quality cars for the entire world. The Rust Belt still produces steel and machinery, all of it exportable and much of it is exported now.

                      And then there is the military capacity and exportable military hardware of America.

                      And then there is the agriculture output of America, much of it producing exports to the entire world.

                      And then there is the technological know-how of America. Some of the best universities and talent in the world is in America. Most of the inventions and patents in the world have come from America, and they will still come from America in the future.

                      And then there is the infrastructure of America: atomic-power plants, hydro-electric dams, the Interstate Highway system of high-speed freeways, the pipelines, the canals, the railroads, the St. Lawrence Seaway, the Tennessee Valley Authority..... Held publicly or privately, certainly these assets have some value too.

                      And then there is the system of jurisprudence in America. There is also the system of federal deposit insurance. The United States has NEVER defaulted on its debts, and the U.S. has never de-monetized or officially de-valued its currency..... Every U.S. coin or piece of paper money is worth what it says it is worth..... There are no games and no surprises; everything issued by the U.S. government is legal tender, and even retired and obsolete money is still legal tender..... Compare that record in America to what has taken place through the years in other countries, especially in Latin America and in Africa.

                      And then there is NAFTA which helps America, Canada, and Mexico. This free-trade is really part of the infrastructure of all three nations.

                      Now, being an official moron--- with papers and test scores to prove it--- I want to know how the U.S. dollar is going to collapse? Decline slowly, that's possible. Even any decline is open to some debate, because the policy of the Federal Reserve at this moment appears to be to stop inflation totally, possibly begin a slow and controlled de-flation, and to strengthen the dollar slowly.... So is the dollar going to collapse? No. Are there going to be shocks and surprises ahead for dollar holders? Probably not. Might the dollar rise in foreign exchange value? Possibly.

                      All of this makes for a nice home for dollars. It makes for a nice home for any I.O.U.s the United States has issued throughout the years.

                      Does the U.S. have serious problems, and is its government corrupt and incompetent? Yes..... But is the U.S. going to sink like the Titantic? No.... Is the U.S. going to erode away and sink into the dust-bin of history? Probably not.
                      Last edited by Starving Steve; January 11, 2012, 05:38 PM.

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                        Re: A new Reserve currency to challenge the dollar – What’s really going on in The Straits of Hormuz.

                        Originally posted by Starving Steve View Post
                        Now, being an official moron--- with papers and test scores to prove it--- I want to know how the U.S. dollar is going to collapse? Decline slowly, that's possible. Even any decline is open to a debate, because the policy of the Federal Reserve at this moment appears to be to stop inflation totally, possibly begin a slow and controlled de-flation, and to strengthen the dollar slowly.... So is the dollar going to collapse? No. Are there going to be shocks and surprises ahead for dollar holders? Probably not. Might the dollar rise in foreign exchange value? Possibly.

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                        Well, I would say the short answer is debt, debt and more debt. Oh yeah, and oil (or lack thereof).

                        Collapse? Nah, slow fade, yeah. We are watching lots of "regional" non-dollar trade blocs occuring. The world is pissed at the dollar and the US. When they try to unload them, they will end up doing so by purchasing US assets I imagine, driving up prices on prime goods (but of course nothing strategic as China found out when they tried to buy an oil company, and the arabs found out when they tried to buy a port).

                        Realistically, the more we "dictate" to the world, eventually I expect the more we will be isolated and eventually our dollar shunned.

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                          Re: A new Reserve currency to challenge the dollar – What’s really going on in The Straits of Hormuz.

                          Originally posted by Starving Steve View Post
                          And then, we have the oil and gas just discovered in North Dakota, not to mention Mont, SD, Colo, Tex, Ohio, New York, Pa, W.Va, Wyo, Calif, Louisiana, Alabama, Kansas, Okla, Tn, Idaho, on and on and on.... And then we have the un-tapped sweet and light oil still leaking out through oil seeps, and just waiting to be tapped offshore of Los Angeles. And then we have Alaska, barely even explored. The waters off of the east coast of America including Florida are totally unexplored.... The fact of the matter is that America may be exporting oil again, and soon.

                          BP has discovered the biggest oil find in history, and it's offshore of the Louisiana Delta. That is very promising for America's future.
                          Tar sands does not equal oil and neither do deep see finds. They are expensive to produce (i.e. the energy return on investment is low). It's better than nothing, but I don't think our at home oil supplies are in nearly as good a shape as you think. Unless the government has secretly used environmentalists to force us to save our own oil while using the rest of the worlds via dollar policy and outsourcing our manufacturing. If our government is really that intelligent and has been able to execute that kind of plan over the last several decades while the public face of power continually changes... yeah I guess that would be great (for us). It just doesn't seem too likely.

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                            Re: A new Reserve currency to challenge the dollar – What’s really going on in The Straits of Hormuz.

                            Starving Steve said: (paraphrase) "and then there is US Fort Knox Gold, Oil, Coal, military, agricultural capacity, knolwedge workers, power plants, rail roads, etc, etc, etc.."
                            And then there was 9/11, where some 4 or 5 buildings taken down and 3,000+ lives lost resulted in a significant financial "collapse". Let Iran or some rogue nation throw a physical nuke into the USA, and let's see how all those assets really stack up. Or let the USA blow itself up with HFT algos gone mad or hundreds of trillions in OTC derivatives not really being hedged when counter parties default, or some lab virus going out of control (yes I watched 'contagion' recently).

                            The sad truth of the matter is that the necessary destructive power required to take down the USA (or any other nation) is very very small compared to all its magnificent assets one can list. Further, as time passes and technology advances, the power required to "upset" any nation in the world becomes cheaper and more easily accessible. Who would have thought in 1960, that by 1990 the average home user would have more computing power in their home computers than the most advanced NASA sattelite? In the cold war of the 1970's, how many citizens had access to information on building sophisitcated bombs? Fast forward 25 years to the age of the Internet, and any 4th grader that can spell "nuclear bomb building instructions", can probably find detailed plans.

                            Large destruction whether intentional or accidental of a first world nation is a question of WHEN not if. Hopefuly that when is still decades away, but the probability of it occuring rises with each passing day... might I say, at an exponential level.
                            Warning: Network Engineer talking economics!

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                              Re: A new Reserve currency to challenge the dollar – What’s really going on in The Straits of Hormuz.

                              A new Reserve currency to challenge the dollar – What’s really going on in The Straits of Hormuz.
                              I agree - here's a good read on the history of the Bretton Woods system, the gold standard, the oil crisis and how Iraq, Iran and Libya all tried to get away from the dollar:
                              http://whataboutmarx.blogspot.com/20...than-just.html

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