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    Franz Herrmann, head of the German Association of Savers (BDS), has spent half a century trying to be a good investor. As a child, he filled piggy banks and, as an adolescent, he put money away in his savings account. Later came a building loan contract, in addition to 12 life insurance policies. "Money attracts money," his father liked to tell him, quoting a German saying. "I was hardwired for saving money," Hermann explains.

    At 52, he says he figured out "what's going on." He'd earned money through his business selling beer steins and jewelry in Munich's city center. But he became convinced that he'd actually lost money through his savings efforts and cancelled his insurance policies, while the small interest earnings from his remaining savings accounts were "eaten up by inflation," he says. To fight back, Herrmann formed the BDS. Now he makes appearances around the country, warning of "money-destroying instruments." He's certain that saving is "state-sanctioned robbery." Becoming poorer by saving? As radical as Herrmann's perspective may sound, a growing number of people share his mistrust. They no longer believe in the rates of return promised by the financial industry, while savings and fixed deposit accounts yield pathetic interest earnings, and the never-ending euro crisis feeds fears of inflation or even a currency devaluation.

    Surveys by the polling institutes TNA Infratest and Allensbach reflect the current crisis of faith in Germany: Nearly half of the respondents now fear inflation, while every second person with a job questions which form of private investment even makes sense anymore.

    Sports Clubs, Art and 'Cement Gold'

    "People are becoming increasingly cautious about entrusting their hard-earned money to the banks," says Rolf Bürkl of market research institute GfK. It has yet to become a mass movement, but a significant number of people are shifting their money around, cancelling supposedly rock-solid financial products like life insurance. Some two years ago, customers had already begun criticizing the weak returns on such investments, according to Philipp Vorndran, capital market strategist for wealth management company Flossbach von Storch. "Now many people are asking themselves just what kind of products they actually own," he says.

    Instead of trusting German banks, many investors are turning to tried-and-true institutions such as the Hamburg soccer club St. Pauli. Within the span of just four weeks, some 5,000 fans recently bought a total of €6 million ($7.7 million) worth of shares in the club so it could build a new stadium. They were promised 6 percent interest. The club seems like a secure kind of bank to many. After all, it's been around since 1910 and has survived the many crises that have befallen Germany since then.

    Until now, polls and studies have always shown that Germans tended to save even more money than usual during uncertain times, according to market researcher Bürkl. But, lately, trust in the financial system has been flagging so rapidly that the crisis has triggered a kind of clearance-sale mood. "The fearful saver has turned into the fearful consumer," he says.

    The trend hasn't yet been captured in figures, with the savings rate down only moderately so far. But consumer confidence is rising, and the pre-Christmas retail market wasn't the only area to profit.

    Those who can afford it are putting their money into their own homes, in the form of better insulation or renovations. Roofers are booked out for weeks in many regions. The sector is one of the winners of the crisis, growing some 5 percent in 2011 to reach almost €8.5 billion in turnover.

    Many people want to swiftly stash their money somewhere safe. Those who can afford it are investing in supposedly secure goods. Record prices are being paid at art auctions. Meanwhile, in cities with booming economies, such as Hamburg and Munich, real-estate agents are reporting bidding wars over so-called "cement gold," as property has been dubbed.

    What Crisis?

    But this isn't necessarily a typical reaction to a crisis. As good as things seem to be going at the moment, the real-estate sector seemed paralyzed in 2008 after the Lehman Brothers crisis. "Back then, we could hardly get any money -- there was a period of over eight months when banks weren't making any long-term investments," says Georg Reul from the developer Frankonia. In 2008, the company purchased a prime piece of real estate with a view of the Alster River in Hamburg. The project stalled for some time, but sales have now picked up. Reul now reports selling penthouse apartments for up to €12,000 per square meter.

    Consumer researchers are also observing a trend toward shopping to fight the crisis in the luxury segment. Unlike during the Lehman Brothers crisis, the feeling of uncertainty is being compensated for by defiant purchases. Dog dishes inlaid with Swarovski crystals and priced at €1,000 are selling well. French luxury goods conglomerate LVMH, which includes Louis Vuitton and Christian Dior, has reported record earnings. Vintage car dealer Dietrich-Gotthard Gross, based in southern Bavaria, just sold a Mercedes 300 SL with gull-wing doors for about €550,000. "Purely as an investment," he says, clearly astonished himself. "The customer doesn't even want to register the car."

    Crisis, what crisis? Fashion czar Karl Lagerfeld evoked the blissful ignorance of the rich at a recent Chanel show in Paris when, surrounded by mountains of crystal candy containers, he declared: "There's no way we're going to succumb to this general mood of depression."

    But the fashion designer doesn't seem to be unreservedly content himself. He recently called for a form of wealth tax that would help his own industry. Anyone whose salary crossed a certain threshold, Lagerfeld demanded, should have to spend a certain sum in the shops. He said he hated people who hoard money.

    Gold Rush

    That too seems to be a result of the general uncertainty. Suddenly, people are no longer mincing their words -- even in the financial sector. Capital market strategist Vorndran admits: "No one can, or was ever able to, guarantee the purchasing power of your money."

    He expects inflation to rise as high as 6 percent in the coming years, which means the forms of investment most dear to German hearts -- savings accounts, bonds or fixed-term deposits -- will make losses. People are sensing that they need a kind of "reset," says Vorndran. But he doesn't believe in a new currency. "The reduction of debt will take place within our monetary system."

    The man standing in the elegant counter hall of the Pro Aurum gold dealing house in Berlin begs to differ. The zookeeper looks -- and smells -- a little out of place amid the gold bars arrayed behind reinforced glass. He's just come from mucking out stables at Berlin Zoo. All these unsecured loans are like toothpaste, the man said. "You can get it out of the tube, but it won't go back in."

    Politicians are only making the final bankruptcy more likely by shelling out ever higher sums and setting up new rescue funds, he says. That's why he has converted his and his wife's life insurance and almost all their cash reserves into precious metal. "No one can take my gold away," he says.

    The greater the public fear, the longer the queues in front of the Pro Aurum counters. Gold is seen as crisis-proof. The Munich-based trading house is benefiting from the crisis. For a long time, though, it hadn't looked that way. The job of precious metals dealer used to be looked down on in banks, and many were made redundant, including Robert Hartmann, who is now the head of Pro Aurum.

    'Nothing is Safe'

    Eight years ago, Hartmann joined up with other former colleagues. They were laughed at -- in those days, share trading was considered the place to be, not pushing gold coins across counters. Hartmann envisaged eventually having a staff of six or seven. Today, he employs over 100 people, and his annual sales amount to just under €1 billion.

    Hartmann knows that the run on his gold "has less to do with performance than with helplessness." He adds: "We simply have the medicine to calm people down." But is gold really a safeguard against poverty? In April 1933, during the global economic crisis, US President Franklin D. Roosevelt forbade the private ownership of gold. Philipp Vorndran also expects rigid capital controls to come into force at some point. If the crisis gets worse everyone -- and especially his customers -- will be told to pay up. "Every citizen will be affected, there will be no pain-free solution," he says.

    In order to alleviate the pain, his company is storing its gold in a depot outside the euro zone. But is that safe? "Nothing is safe these days," he says.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/...806990,00.html

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    Re: Savers Plight Spreads to Germany

    So let me get this straight, The Europeans are storing their gold outside of the Euro zone to safe guard it in case the governments come to confiscate it and people are saying here in the US to store your gold outside of the US (preferrably in Europe) so that our government can't confiscate it.

    That is quite interesting!

    Looks like the Germans are setting themselves up for ever higher inflation by using all their savings to buy goods, a self reinforcing prophecy indeed.

    The Germans better hope that deflation doesn't happen but I am almost 99.5% sure it won't.

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    • #3
      Re: Savers Plight Spreads to Germany

      And if gold returns to $550 per ounce, some twenty-years down the road, how much of an inflation protection was that gold investment?

      A $20 gold piece once was worth twenty dollars. OK, fair enough, $20 US (pre-1933) used to buy much more than a twenty-dollar bill buys to-day. But at $1600 per ounce, does the old $20 gold piece buy 77.4 times as much as a $20 bill does to-day?

      [ (0.9675 x $1600 ) / $20 ] = 77.4 ---recalling that the US $20 gold piece has a pure gold content of 0.9675 troy ounces.

      So, let's take the most common item people buy in a grocery store: coarse ground whole-grain bread. Do you mean to tell me that a loaf of $3 bread to-day used to cost under four cents (before 1933) ?

      ( $3 / 77.4 ) = $ 0.03875 "Dream along with me...."

      Let's take a house in California, an expensive house near or in San Jose, costing $ 400,000, and you can get a gorgeous house for $400,000 to-day in Morgan Hill or Santa Cruz, Gilroy, or even in San Jose itself. And I mean gorgeous!

      Do you or the gold market mean to tell me that one could have bought the same house before 1933 for: $ 5,168 ?

      Yes, you could have easily purchased a shack in San Jose before 1933 for five-thousand dollars, but you would have bought a shack in a small town surrounded by orchards, and nothing more..... Do you want to see the last of the old (flea-bag) shacks that are now being torn-down in San Jose along Alum Rock Road, Santa Clara Street or along San Carlos Street or Alma Street or Willow Street?

      $400,000 / 77.4 = $ 5168

      Or how about a gallon of gasoline? Do you mean to tell me that one could have bought a gallon of gasoline before 1933 for four and one-half cents?

      $ 3.50 / 77.4 = $ 0.045

      "Dream along with me....."

      The gold bugs forget to read the inscription on the old U.S. Double-eagle: " The United States of America: Twenty Dollars. "

      The bottomline is that I would think gold is very over-priced to-day, and I would run--- not walk--- run to sell gold at $1600+ per ounce.
      Last edited by Starving Steve; January 09, 2012, 05:23 PM.

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      • #4
        Re: Savers Plight Spreads to Germany

        I came up with 7 cents for a loaf of bread in 1933... I'd like to compare the quality of the loaf to your $3.00 loaf today. Besides, it's not that simple in any case.

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          Re: Savers Plight Spreads to Germany

          This thread has me thinking about a few things:

          1.) I recall reading about consumer behavior during the Asian financial crisis.....I believe it was in Malaysia......there was a spike in high end luxury goods...particularly motor vehicles...possibly as an inefficient means of protecting purchasing power.....if consumers believe the currency is doomed to fall quite a bit.......then buy stuff I suppose?

          2.) Is there a culture of cooperative lending in Europe? I know it exists in the US with credit unions and in the UK/NZ/OZ with building societies.....I wonder if credit unions/building societies in the 1st world might mashup with the 3rd world microfinance model to produce a new form of co-op savings/finance/credit?

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          • #6
            Re: Savers Plight Spreads to Germany

            Buying luxury goods may not be a terrible way to protect against inflation if you get the right item. Trying to figure out which items will be in short supply in the future and yet still in demand when people are forced to cut back on luxuries is not an easy deal though. Liquidating the items at the price you want may be quite difficult as well.

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            • #7
              Re: Savers Plight Spreads to Germany

              I wasn't alive in 1933, but I did see the loaves of bread in the 1950s. And in the 1950s, the bread was cheap white-flour, soft, squeezable bread; i.e, the bread that little kids love because it is so soft. The bread came in large, long, sliced loaves that were light as a feather. Other than for being worthless for nutrition and fiber, the bread toasted very well, and the bread made for the soft sandwiches of luncheon meat that kids love..... My guess is that the bread of 1933 was similar to the bread of the 1950s--- long, soft, sliced, white, and milled-to-death.

              If I remember correctly in Minnesota, Tastey Bread used to bake such white bread for kids (and adults), and that bread sold for about 35cents per long loaf. In California, Wonder Bread used to bake such white bread for kids and adults. The bread was sold for about the same price, give or take: sometimes 25cents and sometimes 39cents, but let's say the average was 35cents.

              So if I want the same kids' loaf of worthless white bread to-day, the cost would be about a dollar. This bread is rapidly disappearing, but I would guess either side of a dollar for such a long loaf of white bread for kids..... Therefore, do you mean to tell me that white kids' bread used to sell for one-cent in 1933?

              Let's say I am off by 100% and the white bread now costs $2 per long loaf. Then the loaf would cost less than three-cents in 1933, if I use (1/77.4) as my deflator.

              No, as you say, 7-cents is what a loaf of white bread cost in 1933. So, if I use your bread price in 1933 of 7-cents, then white bread to-day for kids should cost $ 5.42 per loaf because the price deflator is (1/77.4).

              $0.07 x 77.4 = $5.42

              But that is clearly wrong; i.e, the gold deflator is much too high. That means the price of gold is over-valued, at least in terms of inflation in the price of milled-to-death, white bread for kids, in soft long-loaves, perfect for toasting and perfect for kids' sandwiches in school lunches.

              If everything is much cheaper to-day (or of higher quality to-day) than the gold deflator indicates, then the price of gold on the world market is loaded with a fear-factor. In other words, the buyers of gold are so fearful of hyper-inflation or dollar de-valuation or maybe war or maybe political turmoil or maybe another 9/11 attack that they pay a large premium for gold. Another possibility is that the world might move toward a gold standard, and there may not be enough gold around at a lower price than $1600 per ounce to facilitate the transition into a new Bretton-Woods type of external ( out of the U.S. ) gold standard for the U.S. dollar.

              Whatever gold is sniffing, I don't know. But how much of a premium over the long-term CPI inflation-hedge value of gold is one willing to pay in order to justify this current price of $1600+ ? For me, the biggest risk ahead is that the world, driven by China, demands a gold redemption standard value ( fixed value ) for the U.S. dollar, and that the price of gold is forced upward to allow this redemption value to happen.
              Last edited by Starving Steve; January 09, 2012, 08:47 PM.

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              • #8
                Re: Savers Plight Spreads to Germany

                Why guess at things when you're on the Internet. Wonderbread (super bleached pre-sliced white bread) was invented and first marketed in 1930 or 1931. How quickly was it popularized, I'm not sure, and the few places where I've looked up the cost of bread in this or that year didn't specify what kind of bread. In fact, they may have just used CPI and calculated backward from today's prices rather than actually looking up historical records of the prices. Spend more time getting your basic facts right before you go and do a bunch of analysis.

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                • #9
                  Re: Savers Plight Spreads to Germany

                  actually I kind of agree with Steve. With my current regression analysis on gold and commodities over the last decade, I am coming up with a number around 1200 for gold, the trend is up. Gold smells something more than just normal inflation. Steve's facts may be off a bit one way or the other, but this is back of the envelope cipherin'. I think wonder may have been a unique product in the 1930's, the first regional or national branded bread. A lot of bread before this was a commidity, and therefore prices for bread did not really differentiate. Bread was bread.

                  My current allocation is 25% to gold, and it is there for insurance in case the monetary system blows up. If gold goes back up to $1800 I may trim the postion a bit. What to buy is though question if I decide to sell gold. Everything is above long trend.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Savers Plight Spreads to Germany

                    There's no question that the price of gold is very high right now.

                    However, my view is that EJ/iTulip has the gist of the situation right: so long as governments all over the world continue to respond to the over-accumulation of debt via currency depreciation, gold will continue to be a strong performer.

                    This isn't saying that gold is something you want to buy and hold until you die.

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